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Borgata Casino Lawsuit Alleges Gambler [Phil Ivey!] Cheated, Won $9.6M
NBC News ^ | 11 April 2014

Posted on 04/11/2014 7:12:11 PM PDT by zeestephen

The Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa [Atlantic City] filed a federal lawsuit Tuesday against Phillip Ivey Jr., considered one of the best poker players in the world.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: philivey; poker
Ivey has won nine World Series of Poker bracelets.

He compares himself on his website to Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods and Muhammad Ali.

Last year, he was accused of a similar scam in London for almost $12 million.


1 posted on 04/11/2014 7:12:11 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

Looks to me that the casino was the one that screwed up by using defective cards. Not his fault that its quality control sucks, and plus, I don’t see how it can actually prove anything, period.


2 posted on 04/11/2014 7:22:42 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler
Looks to me that the casino was the one that screwed up by using defective cards. Not his fault that its quality control sucks, and plus, I don’t see how it can actually prove anything, period

You hit the nail on the head.
SOME people do have runs of luck and/or are just really good AND lucky.

I hate hearing the casinos whine. They rake in so much money it's scary.

3 posted on 04/11/2014 7:29:06 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: zeestephen

It sounds like the casino was using marked decks, and he figured out the system.


4 posted on 04/11/2014 7:29:39 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: zeestephen

It is not cheating to benefit from a defect, even if proven, that the casino unwittingly put into play. That is the whole point in cards, to exploit any “tells” that exist.


5 posted on 04/11/2014 8:21:17 PM PDT by SgtHooper
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To: zeestephen
and the pit-boss never said a word, they lost, get over it... feh
6 posted on 04/11/2014 8:27:18 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Timber Rattler
Looks to me that the casino was the one that screwed up by using defective cards.

Correctamundo. And it's the casino's job to catch defects and irregularities as they occur.

Trying to take action now is like a referee calling a penalty years after a game is over.

Better to just shut up and be more vigilant in the future.

7 posted on 04/11/2014 8:47:06 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Chode

No kidding. I get up 100-200 dollars playing blackjack the switch dealers, cut cards even switch decks. Freaking Crybabies!


8 posted on 04/11/2014 8:48:39 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: Leaning Right

And how many manned cameras did they have on a table game where someone is up a few million? I guarantee they were watching him with multiple people in real time.


9 posted on 04/11/2014 8:51:35 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: VRWCarea51
100%
10 posted on 04/11/2014 8:55:31 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: SgtHooper

That’s what always got me about card counting in blackjack. I don’t see that as cheating.


11 posted on 04/11/2014 8:56:08 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

That’s the only game I play, because I can generally come out ahead... thanks to keeping track of whether the deck is heavy or light at any given time.


12 posted on 04/11/2014 9:00:53 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Exactly. So what did they do? Added more decks. Fine, but do not arrest people for figgering out how to benefit. That is a main driving force for people coming back—to beat the system.


13 posted on 04/11/2014 9:18:24 PM PDT by SgtHooper
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To: Leaning Right
Some Harvard-educated suit decided he might get himself a promotion by saving the casino a few bucks and going with a cheaper card manufacturer.

Oops!

14 posted on 04/11/2014 9:36:54 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

It’s not considered cheating. But since card counters aren’t a “protected class” under federal law, the casinos can ban them from their premises.


15 posted on 04/11/2014 9:38:29 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: zeestephen

Cheating at baccarat? Good luck with that one.


16 posted on 04/11/2014 9:49:17 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: zeestephen

I can’t read this story on NBCNews. All I get is the following:

BreakingNews.com
NBC LEARN
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peacock productions
Next Steps For Vets
Parent Toolkit

How do I read this story? Thanks.


17 posted on 04/11/2014 11:22:32 PM PDT by Finalmente
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To: zeestephen
For those who don't follow poker, many professional players consider Phil Ivey to be the best No Limit Hold ‘Em player in the world.

His success in tournament play is fourth best ever, behind just a couple guys like Phil Helmuth, Doyle Brunson, and Johnny Chan.

Ivey has a good chance of passing Chan and Brunson, who are both past their prime and have not won a bracelet in 10 years.

Phil Helmuth is 50 years old, 12 years older than Ivey.

Helmuth's play has become very inconsistent in recent years, but he can still play brilliantly at times, as he did in 2012 when he won the WSOP Europe.

Ivey is a dominant force in “cash” games, where ALL the chips and cash on the table are personal money, and where all the players are usually top level professionals.

Cash games require a completely different temperament than tournament games, where your maximum loss is only your entry fee.

Many professionals consider Ivey to be the most calm and most focused cash game player of all time.

18 posted on 04/11/2014 11:55:27 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Finalmente
I tried all three links.

Each one takes me to the news report.

Google the title exactly as written and see if that works.

19 posted on 04/12/2014 12:01:30 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

remake of “Kaleidoscope” ?


20 posted on 04/12/2014 12:48:12 AM PDT by stylin19a (Obama ----> Fredo smart)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear; Lurkina.n.Learnin

Card counting is not cheating, and is not much of a threat. It is, however, disruptive to their business, which is taking money from suckers. They pay dealers to rake in money, not shuffle and switch decks.


21 posted on 04/12/2014 3:46:40 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: zeestephen

A spokesman for the casino, speaking off the record, said, “Damn, wisht I’d thought of that!”


22 posted on 04/12/2014 3:52:20 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: zeestephen

I tried accessing the story with IE last night immediately after above post and works perfectly. However, it does not work with Firefox.

Thanks for the response.


23 posted on 04/12/2014 8:01:39 AM PDT by Finalmente
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
They could end card counting if they shuffled the decks more often, but doing so would mean less time taking money from suckers and bad card counters.
24 posted on 04/12/2014 9:34:13 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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