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The real flood: Submerged prehistory
Past Horizons ^ | Thursday, April 10, 2014 | unattributed

Posted on 04/12/2014 12:25:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

As a specialist in prehistoric underwater archaeology, Dr Jonathan Benjamin looks at rising sea levels differently from most people and his fascination with this global phenomenon began when as a PhD candidate at Edinburgh University he came across the work of the Danish archaeologists Anders Fischer and Søren H Anderson.

In the 1970s and 1980s, Fischer and Anderson recovered some of the most well preserved material ever seen from sites such as the 6,500-year-old settlement at Tybrind Vig.

This was the first submerged settlement excavated in Denmark and from 1977 was the scene of intensive archaeological activity. Lying 300m from the present shoreline and beneath 3 metres of water, divers excavated sensationally well-preserved artefacts from the Ertebølle Culture. This included dugout boats and decorated wooden paddles, and gave unprecedented insight into the everyday lives of the prehistoric societies of Northern Europe.

But it wasn’t just the artefacts that captured Dr Benjamin’s imagination; it was where they were discovered that caught his attention. One of the first pages in Dr Benjamin’s own book Submerged Prehistory, of which he is the principal editor, is dedicated to a remarkable graph which shows global sea level rise of up to 130 metres between 18,000 and 5,000 years ago. CaptureGiven the tendency of humans to establish settlements along the coast, and early human migratory patterns, which also follow coastal routes, it’s not difficult to appreciate just how many settlements might have been swallowed up by the ocean over the past 15,000 years.

Surprisingly, in spite of the apparently self-evident nature of that conclusion, and 30 years after the remarkably well-preserved discoveries from Denmark (with further work pouring in from around the world), prehistoric underwater archaeologists are still relatively rare.

(Excerpt) Read more at pasthorizonspr.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: baltic; blackseaflood; catastrophism; denmark; doggerland; godsgravesglyphs; noahsflood; northsea; tybrindvig
The real flood: Submerged prehistory

1 posted on 04/12/2014 12:25:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 04/12/2014 12:26:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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3 posted on 04/12/2014 12:26:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Very interesting article...thanks for posting. It had never occurred to me that the melting after the last glacial maximum would have inundated thousands of prehistoric coastal sites.

What puzzles me is the sea level rose over a period of 3,000 years. This isn’t Vesuvius-like cataclysm that froze people in their tracks. The inhabitants of these villages and cities had plenty of have time to move out of the way. Why wouldn’t they have taken their possessions with them? How hard would it be to move your boats and decorative paddles?

It’s refreshing, too, that this article doesn’t once mention the modern bogeyman of global warming and the threat of rising seas. If prehistoric man could adapt to sea level rises of up to 130 meters (!!), then I really think we can adapt to the faint possibility that modern sea levels might rise one meter.


4 posted on 04/12/2014 12:48:15 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Great points, great post!


5 posted on 04/12/2014 12:50:54 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

They left their junk behind, especially things that were too big or too hard to move. They probably had plenty of waterlogged junk, having endured several years of tidal floods that they had not seen in earlier years.

Thor, I’ve had enough of these spring floods. Either we pack up and move the village, or I am going home to Mother. Her great grand daughter probably said the same thing at the new village some years later.


6 posted on 04/12/2014 1:03:31 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

“Helga, go ahead and go home to your mother. I’ll miss you dearly, I will. Honestly.”


7 posted on 04/12/2014 1:05:42 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SunkenCiv

Antediluvian Bump!


8 posted on 04/12/2014 1:36:15 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Storm surges.


9 posted on 04/12/2014 1:52:21 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Changes in sea level from 16,000 years ago to present in northwest Europe.

10 posted on 04/12/2014 1:53:01 PM PDT by concentric circles
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This is a dangerous field to study, they may even be accused of heresey against doctrine


11 posted on 04/12/2014 2:03:45 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: SunkenCiv
prehistoric underwater archaeologists are still relatively rare.

Probably has to do with the inability to employ hordes of local and student labor.

12 posted on 04/12/2014 2:39:48 PM PDT by fso301
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Tsunami. Read the info in the caption under The Europe That Was in Post 10. I imagine if there was one Storegga Landslide there were probably more in the same area from an earlier time as well.


13 posted on 04/12/2014 4:12:33 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: ProtectOurFreedom; centurion316

“But Odin be damned if you think you are taking my boat and decorative paddle!”


14 posted on 04/12/2014 4:38:04 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Bernard Marx
The caption points out the release of a glacial lake in North America as a proximate cause of the rapid sea level rise in Europe. I'm familiar with the release from Lake Bonneville 14,500 years ago which caused the Bonneville Flood. Geologists estimate that Lake Bonneville was lowered 350 ft over the course of a year. A total of 1,200 CUBIC MILES of water were discharged at a max rate of 1 million cubic meters per second (speed of 70 mph!). But, given that the surface area of the oceans is 139 million square miles, even that vast amount of water would raise global sea level only by a half-inch. So what North American glacial lake release are they talking about?


15 posted on 04/12/2014 5:24:02 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Likely the proglacial lakes whose remnants today are the Great Lakes, along with Great and Lesser Slave lakes. There were also significant proglacial lakes in Poland and western Siberia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Agassiz


16 posted on 04/12/2014 5:38:44 PM PDT by Fraxinus (My opinion, worth what you paid.)
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To: fso301

It’s hard to find people able to hold their breath more than 2 or 3 minutes. ;’)


17 posted on 04/12/2014 6:57:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Probably ancient lake Missoula among many others; geologists are only beginning to piece together such events during the Big Melt. The Lake Missoula flood repeatedly released awesome amounts of water and created the formerly mysterious Scablands in Washington state. But it was just one event out of many worldwide.

This website describes what I believe happened: ICE AGE FLOODS

18 posted on 04/12/2014 7:01:43 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: concentric circles

I find it amazing that there was a time I could drive to France from England in my Hyundai where the English Channel is now.


19 posted on 04/12/2014 7:20:58 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: concentric circles; blam

Nice map! I think I’ll swipe it right now...


20 posted on 04/12/2014 7:25:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=179840&st=690

http://nextnature.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/2007_dogger_re-engineered_satelite_photo_530.jpg

http://friedfoo.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/doggerland2.jpg

http://education.nationalgeographic.com/media/photos/000/318/31836.jpg


21 posted on 04/12/2014 7:55:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: concentric circles; SunkenCiv
In one of the stories in Icelandic Mythology, Thor was described as walking from Denmark or Sweden to Finland to visit Jotenheim (Home of the Giants.)

The teacher of the class I was in noted that one features of Norse Myth was that it was Grotesque; Thor could walk over the Baltic, he would walk in a Giant's Glove, then arm wrestle with the same giant. Sizes and distances were not consistent.

Based on what I see here, regarding a trip from Sweden to Finland, it may suggest a very ancient source for the story as This trip was possible at one time.

Suggesting is one thing. I don't think its possible to show that a pre-flood Northern Europe is reflected in Norse literature or oral tradition surviving 11 or 10 millennia in a pre-literary oral recollection.

22 posted on 04/12/2014 7:56:27 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: SunkenCiv

I like maps.


23 posted on 04/12/2014 9:49:08 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Google turned up a larger version of that first one, and some others, I think I posted the links, but I’m not sure, I’ve dozed off about ten times, need to go to bed.


24 posted on 04/12/2014 10:22:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
I think this is the original source: Doggerland - The Europe That Was - National Geographic. It is a nice map.
25 posted on 04/13/2014 10:43:32 PM PDT by concentric circles
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To: concentric circles

Thanks!


26 posted on 04/14/2014 2:47:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Thanks POF, I think someone already replied, but here goes -- the rises in sealevel took place in fits and starts, as ice dams gave way and enormous amounts of meltwater roared out into the world ocean; there were spots that were higher at one time but as the weight of the ice came off, isostatic rebound lifted the Earth's surface, while in other places (analogous to a balance scale) the surface dropped. In some places it continues to recede for various reasons. Also, the rotation of the Earth itself varied due to the shift of the weight as the glaciers disappeared. In the shadow of the Moon http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1203912/posts‎
27 posted on 04/15/2014 5:02:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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