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"Methuselah" (Me) Returns to the Karate Dojo. Do you kick or box?
April 13 2014 | lee martell

Posted on 04/13/2014 1:26:08 AM PDT by lee martell

I have tendonitis, arthritis and size 14 feet as wide and as flat as Oopsy The Clown. I have extra weight I could easily survive without. I have been going to the fitness gym a few times a week, just so not to become like The Tin Man, all rigid, all the time. I 24hr gym is great, but for the last few years, I have wanted to return to my original Dojo, or workout room and go back to studying Karate. I'm not much of a sporty person, but I do enjoy the creativity of a good hand to hand battle.

My dad was a boxer in the 50's and continued to coach young boxers until just five years ago. My father instilled in me the desire to be ready, in mind and body, for unexpected challenges from any direction. I've spent the last three years getting used to being in some degree of pain every day of the week. I've gotten used to knowing how to do my fulltime caregiving job, and how to medicate for pain without overdoing it to where I should'nt be driving. I've reached a point where I know just how bad those foot problems are likely to get, and with what antecedents. With that knowledge, it was time to take a chance. I have missed my Karate classes, and to return to the Dojo, was like going back to see friends who have also decided to improve themselves by training long, hard and pretty much at one's own pace. At my age of 57, I'm usually one of the older guys in the Dojo. I don't mind, because the instructors are pleasant and respectful without being overpatronizing. I like training with younger or older people who are there to learn and enjoy the class. In martial arts, you can learn from anyone, regardless of background.

I'ts been about eight years since I was there on a regular basis. Time has not changed me that much, except for the tricky feet, but many of my Karate Classmates were in High School or Junior High School when I left. I had forgotten how much teenagers will grow and change in just a few years. They're all adults now. Many times, they recognized me before I knew them. I left a purple belt. I'm taking a private class and will branch out into a few evening classes in the next few weeks. I find that I can do a lot more than I expected. I find that the moment I put on that black cotton GI, and then tie my purple belt around, I feel stronger and more capable of various physical activity. It helps that we walk on large square padding. It also helps that many of the Kempos and practice movements can be done in a rather small radius, so I don't have to stay still baring the same weight for long, long periods. Usually, I would be in motion of some kind, along with the rest of the class. I make certain to wash my GI before class, and to take a shower. I spend a certain amount of time each day reviewing the videos that show training. I have to bring back my knowledge of Pinan 1, Pinan 2,and 3. Another plus, the Pinans will help me to stave off alzheimers for a little longer, when I get older. My reflexes to punch and strike are returning. Does anyone else here train in the martial arts? I think all the schools should teach some version of this, starting as defensive training and a fitness training. I'm glad I stop doubting that I could endure the exercises or doubting that I could relearn the Pinans. I'm on the second to bottom step, but it's a beginning.


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1 posted on 04/13/2014 1:26:09 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell
As one who experienced essentially what you describe some years ago, I enjoyed your report and wish you well.

I tried to reenter martial arts with aikido at about your age but found that my knees could not take the pressure-subsequently titanium has replaced bone.

All the best.


2 posted on 04/13/2014 1:41:44 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: lee martell
go for it, stay active.
pay attn: to footwork/keep a lower cg
move w/hip/perseverance!
(from a elderly 50+ Nindan :)

3 posted on 04/13/2014 1:44:09 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: lee martell
"Wax on.....wax off"
4 posted on 04/13/2014 1:46:11 AM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: lee martell; Salamander; JoeProBono; Vendome; Slings and Arrows; Semper Mark

I have a Black Belt in Barstool, CueStick, Headlock and Chokehold. The Dojo had this cool neon sign that said “Cold Beer & Hot Grill”


5 posted on 04/13/2014 1:47:39 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: nathanbedford

I still have certain warm up exercises I cannot do, mostly the weight bearing ones, but I try to negotiate with the Senei (instructor) of that day. I can still do some grappling, using a lot of upper body strength.


6 posted on 04/13/2014 1:48:26 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell
"Age and guile" as the old master said.


7 posted on 04/13/2014 1:52:41 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: lee martell

I drive a HAZMAT tanker...and I shed 20 lbs since starting the job in January, hauling heavy hose etc...so will start some weight training to put it back as muscle....I am 72.


8 posted on 04/13/2014 1:53:18 AM PDT by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: spokeshave

Wow! I am impressed. I had to put my night glasses on and re-read your comment to clarify. Rock on.


9 posted on 04/13/2014 1:58:37 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell

kick and box

jiu-jitsu, kenpo, kickboxing, and some grappling

all my joints are in pain to the point where i had to just give it all up.

like they say. don’t mess with an old man. he’ll just shoot you.


10 posted on 04/13/2014 2:03:19 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: shibumi

“A soft word turneth away Anger. Then, when Anger is looking the other way, shoot it in the back.”


11 posted on 04/13/2014 2:05:32 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Richard Warman censors free speech.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Dojo for those of an advanced age. (I made it to 66 this week!)


12 posted on 04/13/2014 2:15:00 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: lee martell

I will kick your A** if you are the winning bidder:

http://www.othercinema.com/otherzine/archives/otherzine4/auction.html


13 posted on 04/13/2014 2:15:49 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: lee martell

Yeah...it’s hard to find a job in this Obamconomy...especially when “passed your shelf life”....but I had a clean driving license...not even a parking ticket...so it wasn’t too difficult to get a CDL license.


14 posted on 04/13/2014 2:16:22 AM PDT by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: shibumi; lee martell; Salamander; JoeProBono; Slings and Arrows; Semper Mark

Forgot to ping y’all ...

See my post above...


15 posted on 04/13/2014 2:19:06 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: lee martell

I have been making light of your topic, as is my nature.

But seriously - Good Luck on your “return to duty.” I know first hand (at 66) what it feels like and I could not begin to do it at all without some “chemical enhancements.”

Take it slow and easy. In other words don’t be like me.


16 posted on 04/13/2014 2:19:45 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

Congratulations!


17 posted on 04/13/2014 2:38:45 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Richard Warman censors free speech.)
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To: lee martell

I took judo at 16-17, tried again with kempo karate at 29-30 and the. Finally hapkido at 46. I earned my first dan black belt at two weeks after my fiftieth birthday. It is very different at that age. The physical challenge is tough but the mental effort it tough too. I made it to third dan at 57 before the right knee gave out. Following surgery it’s okay but my next front snap kick will have to be when I run out of ammunition; practice (at this age) makes brittle.


18 posted on 04/13/2014 2:41:47 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Slings and Arrows

There is absolutely no good reason that I’ve made it this far.

God has a mysterious reason for keeping me alive.


19 posted on 04/13/2014 2:44:26 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: lee martell

20 posted on 04/13/2014 3:25:53 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: lee martell

Tai Chi is easy on the bones and a good ‘toner-upper’.


21 posted on 04/13/2014 3:49:24 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: lee martell

Good for you sir. You are an inspiration to all that are considering or have “just started” some type puff physical exercise effort.

I, myself, have dusted off the old road bike, replaced tubes/tires, cables and otherwise tuning up the 2-wheeler. I’ve also started those evil basic calisthenics. Would also like to lose 20 pounds. If I can get some of the endurance back (I hope) other, more demanding athletic pursuits will follow.

Good luck in your efforts!


22 posted on 04/13/2014 5:56:50 AM PDT by moovova
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To: moovova

Ooops...puff = of.


23 posted on 04/13/2014 5:58:10 AM PDT by moovova
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To: nathanbedford; lee martell; shibumi
I tried to reenter martial arts with aikido at about your age but found that my knees could not take the pressure-subsequently titanium has replaced bone.

Now that I'm older and a little wiser, I'm more inclined to study the art of "fight without fighting"

And I also carry a cache of weapons on my person.

24 posted on 04/13/2014 9:33:28 AM PDT by Semper Mark (Vlad Tepes was a piker.)
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To: Semper Mark
I'm afraid I can't carry much in the way of weapons on my person here in Germany.

But I like Bruce Lee.


25 posted on 04/13/2014 9:37:44 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Slings and Arrows; shibumi

^ THIS! ^

:D


26 posted on 04/13/2014 9:40:40 AM PDT by Salamander (Agent Of Fortune)
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To: shibumi

“God has a mysterious reason for keeping me alive.”

It’s so I have a fitting soul to torment.

:)


27 posted on 04/13/2014 9:42:52 AM PDT by Salamander (Agent Of Fortune)
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To: Salamander

My fortune that you should be the agent, as it were.....


28 posted on 04/13/2014 9:49:27 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

How...provocative.

;D


29 posted on 04/13/2014 9:55:51 AM PDT by Salamander (Agent Of Fortune)
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To: lee martell

In my case it became apparent that using my legs for anything above the waist, which includes the rib cage, would be too slow. And, just as bad, “working through the pain” at the gym doesn’t always work anymore, but more often only prolongs the discomfort.

Of course, at “our age” we don’t hang out in alleys much anymore. So imo it is more likely we will have occasion to walk a drunk out of a nice restaurant, and because we are gentlemen we will want to do that as quietly as possible and without knocking over tables. (I carry for everything else.)

Good luck with yours and just don’t stop.


30 posted on 04/13/2014 10:45:47 AM PDT by frog in a pot (We are all "frogs in a pot" now. How and when will we real Americans jump out?)
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To: shibumi

I want to sign up for that course. I’ll bring my own loom and plume.


31 posted on 04/13/2014 11:29:38 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: Salamander

I am but a humble student of philosophy.


32 posted on 04/13/2014 11:35:54 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Richard Warman censors free speech.)
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To: muir_redwoods

You’ve accomplished quite a bit over time. As you said though, martial practice impacts the body more heavily at this age. Luckily, my teachers seem open to allowing for ‘modifcations of the classic forms’ depending on physical ability. I was encouraged to try with this group now due to my memories of them working with clients who have Cerebral Palsy. So I knew this Dojo should be open to compromise here and there.


33 posted on 04/13/2014 11:36:16 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell

One key step; don’t quit

And good luck


34 posted on 04/13/2014 11:50:24 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Salamander

Well then, go ahead and be provocked.


35 posted on 04/13/2014 12:04:12 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: lee martell
After the craft session, we go out looking for swarms of Biebers we can fight.

Gotta stay in shape somehow!

36 posted on 04/13/2014 12:20:29 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: lee martell

Stay with it.

I started Karate at 48 in spite of poor balance, weak ankles and arthritic knees (since my late teens.)

If the instructor had shown me something like a heel-rake and said “you will be doing this in less than 2 years,” I would have probably laughed in his face.

I still struggle with the pain and am told that I make some entertaining grimaces while working out, but continue to plow through it as best I can. I have less pain far better range of motion that I ever have had in many years.

Progress stalled for a time due to location and instructor changes but things have gotten back on track and there is forward motion again.

It is probably one of the most fun and rewarding experiences of my life.


37 posted on 04/13/2014 12:23:20 PM PDT by Clay Moore ("To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." ~Voltaire)
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To: martin_fierro

I think that’s from the Napoleon Comedy movie from a few years back. Actually, there is some truth to that parody, because in my Dojo now,at the beginning of the lesson, we do bow once to the Sensei, and once to the American Flag hanging up on the wall. I can imagine other Dojos in various neighborhoods may not request that students acknowledge that particular flag, our flag.


38 posted on 04/13/2014 1:04:11 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Vendome

Thought for sure someone would have read my link and LOL!!!


39 posted on 04/13/2014 1:58:24 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

Was/ Is this ‘auction of Ass Kicking’ a real thing? Is it you doing it? It looks like this was done back in September. What was the outcome, did somebody actually take the author up on that dare, pay for a visit and present them self for a challenge?
It’s a good joke, but I’m surprised Ebay allows it. Of course, I’m not that familiar with A LOT of what transpires online. So...did it happen? If so, before and after pictures please.


40 posted on 04/13/2014 3:40:50 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Vendome

I did read it.

Couldn’t get past the part about paying HIM.
And that crap about not fighting back.

Now - if he wants to pay *ME* for the chance to try, and the valuable lessons to be learned thereby, then we can talk.
As for the thing with the two “Ls” and the “O” you can search my posting history.

You won’t find that internet shorthand anywhere.


41 posted on 04/13/2014 4:07:28 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: lee martell
Don't be discouraged. I have been involved in martial arts in one form or another since I was 14, both western and eastern. I am 62 at present.
I have no illusions about engaging some 20 something in anything resembling a match fight. That would be suicidal and stupid. Work smarter not harder. Adapt and grow. Look into Lee Morrison/Kelly McCann for combative technique or Mark Hatmaker on boxing/grappling. General physical fitness makes a lot of difference. Don't fall into the fallacy that because an art is Asian in origin it's automatically superior. One of my former sensei’s said as long as you keep fit mentally and physically chasing techniques means less. I fence at present for cardio and eye/hand coordination
42 posted on 04/13/2014 4:52:49 PM PDT by Polynikes (What would Walt Kowalski do. In the meantime "GET OFF MY LAWN")
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To: lee martell

Who ya kidding, give it up bro....So what’s the purpose of this thread? To lead us to believe you were the successor to Chuck Norris only you got old instead?


43 posted on 04/13/2014 4:59:09 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Under Reagan spring always arrived on time.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

You got the exact wrong message from my article. I’m sorry I wasn’t good enough writer to get that across. I’ll keep trying at both though. Life is for experiencing and learning.


44 posted on 04/13/2014 5:04:26 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell

Stop screwin’ around then, just buy a gun.........


45 posted on 04/13/2014 5:06:58 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Under Reagan spring always arrived on time.....)
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To: shibumi

lol


46 posted on 04/13/2014 5:07:19 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I do have a shotgun, a low quality model for amateurs like myself, but I first want to go through some training at a local gun store. That’ll cost a little over $300. for a few lessons. Meanwhile, I have nothing to lose by using my first weapons; the hands, elbows, etc. What kind of guns do you have, if I may ask?


47 posted on 04/13/2014 5:37:21 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell

How much do you pay for your course? I was in Tae Kwon Do for two years and they wanted around $8000 for a four year black belt program. I couldn’t justify spending that kind of money. I actually enjoyed the kick boxing part of it more because the sparring was more realistic than the Tae Kwon Do sparring we did.


48 posted on 04/13/2014 7:08:48 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

I pay $150. a month for one weekly private class plus if I chose to, I could come to the evening group classes mon thru Thursday. I also enjoyed the sparring most for the same reasons. I’m taking a few, weeks to regain my flexibility and striking power .before sparring in realtime


49 posted on 04/13/2014 8:20:30 PM PDT by lee martell
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