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Ancient Offa's Dyke ... was built 200 years before King Offa was born
Daily Mail ^ | April 8, 2014 | Wills Robinson

Posted on 04/13/2014 11:33:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

It was thought to have built by King Offa in the 8th century as border between England and Wales But even though it has been part of the British landscape for centuries, the ancient Offa's Dyke may have to be renamed, after archaeologists discovered it could have been completed 200 years before the great Anglo Saxon leader was born.

Experts used radiocarbon dating on the 177-mile dyke and revealed it could have been constructed as early as the 4th century...

The group behind the project said it is a 'tremendously exciting discovery' which challenges the accepted history of the ancient dyke.

The Clwyd-Powys Archaeological Trust excavations were carried out on a stretch of the dyke along the Shropshire border near the town of Chirk.

Paul Belford, director of the Archaeological Trust, said: 'It's been known as Offa's Dyke for centuries but some sections may not have been built by Offa...

Today it is a protected monument and The Offa's Dyke Path is one of Britain's longest walks - stretching rom Prestatyn in North Wales down to Chepstow in the South.

The material came from an ancient layer of re-deposited turf underneath the bank suggesting it was laid down as part of the construction process.

Mr Belford said: 'This is the first time we have accurate scientific dates for Offa's Dyke...

But the section of earthwork near Chirk have been carbon dated and revealed a 95 per cent probability it was built between 430 and 652.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ambrosiusaurelianus; godsgravesglyphs; kingarthur; offasdyke; unitedkingdom; wales; wansdyke; watsdyke; welsh
full title: Ancient Offa's Dyke between England and Wales may be renamed after experts discover it was built 200 years before King Offa was born.
Runs from Prestatyn in North Wales down to Chepstow in the south

Runs from Prestatyn in North Wales down to Chepstow in the south

1 posted on 04/13/2014 11:33:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

Dyke??


2 posted on 04/13/2014 11:38:23 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Too funny....Perhaps there’s a double meaning hidden in this story.


3 posted on 04/13/2014 11:41:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: GeronL

Dutch spelling. From when the Dutch conquered the place and planted tulips everywhere!


4 posted on 04/13/2014 11:42:02 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
Ambrosius Aurelianus ping!
The reason I looked for information on the dating of Offa's Dyke was that I wondered if anyone had ever scientifically dated it. This occurred to me only because I'd watched program one (of three) on this History Channel dvd about King Arthur.

Dunno why it never struck me before, considering that Wat's Dyke used to be considered newer than Offa's Dyke until someone actually scientifically dated it, and the Wansdyke which runs west to east postdates the Roman withdrawal and was attributed to Woden by the Saxon invaders.

Since the 1960s it has been known that "dark age" trade with the Byzantine empire was detected at Glastonbury, and in the 1980s this was also found to be the case at Tintagel. I'll go right out on a limb and say, the composite character called King Arthur owes part of his legend to this Ambrosius Aurelianus, and that Ambrosius (who left his legacy as various post-Roman placenames) and/or his successor constructed the "Offa's" Dyke to protect his Romanized British kingdom from the dozen or so cattle-raiding wannabee kingdoms in Wales, and the Wansdyke to defend against the Saxons.

This dating is a huge breakthrough, although you'd never know it if you read the idiotic quotes I cut out for length.

5 posted on 04/13/2014 11:42:17 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

If I built a computer using a 200 year old steel case, do I have a 200 year old computer?


6 posted on 04/13/2014 11:42:19 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: GeronL

I typed in the search string “Offa’s Dyke dating”, and I found this which is what I was looking for, but yikes, I’ll never be the same.


7 posted on 04/13/2014 11:43:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Was it spelled tulyps ? Two-lips?


8 posted on 04/13/2014 11:43:51 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Offal dykes - lol


9 posted on 04/13/2014 11:44:39 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/2014/04/12/centres-having-to-rethink-over-offa/

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-26921202

and from the FRchives:

Space Age Lasers Reveal Offa’s Dyke Missing Link
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1843418/posts

‘Travellers’ flatten 50 yards of Offa’s Dyke with a bulldozer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3055383/posts

New Dating For Wat’s Dyke
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1181689/posts


10 posted on 04/13/2014 11:45:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: GeronL

http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/King-Offa/


11 posted on 04/13/2014 11:46:12 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SunkenCiv

Get Offa the dyke


12 posted on 04/13/2014 11:47:56 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Olog-hai

He didn’t build that.


13 posted on 04/13/2014 11:49:46 AM PDT by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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To: GeronL

Yeah I thought this another Hillary story.


14 posted on 04/13/2014 11:51:14 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: Bogey78O
That's always been my "Yeh...right"...to a lot of findings BECAUSE

In 1988, I went through the Blue Ridge Mountains. Stopped along the road and proceeded to carve initials and the year 1788 into the rock with my little set of carving tools. The initials were timely. Laughed as I walked to my car.

15 posted on 04/13/2014 11:51:56 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: GeronL

Yes. And they made everyone wear wooden shoes! Dark days were those...


16 posted on 04/13/2014 11:51:56 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: SunkenCiv

The Great Wall of China was basically constructed over 2000 years ago — but if you go there today, you won’t see much of anything that is 2000 years old. It’s mostly Ming and about 500 years old.


17 posted on 04/13/2014 11:52:31 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Defiant

Excellent.


18 posted on 04/13/2014 12:05:34 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Kozak

Lol


19 posted on 04/13/2014 12:15:08 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Never google offal+dyke without safe search


20 posted on 04/13/2014 12:15:50 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: SunkenCiv

this thread is Offa ;-)


21 posted on 04/13/2014 12:16:47 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: SunkenCiv

This looks like a rather shallow trail or man made ditch. Did this start out as something quite deep and perhaps filled with water? Otherwise, I’m surprised natural erosion has not smoothed out and reclaimed this dug out fissure in the terrain. Every place else is as smooth as a golf course.


22 posted on 04/13/2014 12:17:02 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: SunkenCiv
Ancient Dyke?

I thought this was a story about Hillary!

23 posted on 04/13/2014 12:28:22 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: GeronL

I’m not gonna try it. It looks like I might get some, um, esoteric sites...


24 posted on 04/13/2014 12:52:48 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: lee martell

There are other pics that make the scale of the thing more obvious. It’s longer than Hadrian’s Wall by a few miles. There’s a ten mile long earthwork that antedates the Romans, but called the Roman Ridge, so they didn’t get the idea from the Romans. Speaking of Hadrian’s Wall, I’ll go out on a limb again and say that it was the northern boundary of Aurelius’ kingdom.

https://www.google.com/search?q=offa%27s+dyke&tbm=isch


25 posted on 04/13/2014 1:06:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Speaking of ancient dykes.....


26 posted on 04/13/2014 1:53:22 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: Cowboy Bob; driftdiver; GeronL

:’D


27 posted on 04/13/2014 1:55:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: bigbob

Hey, even we can’t get much more mileage out of that one joke. ;’)


28 posted on 04/13/2014 1:55:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Thx.


29 posted on 04/13/2014 1:56:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/greatwall/Allabout.html


30 posted on 04/13/2014 1:57:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

To say the least


31 posted on 04/13/2014 1:58:43 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Islander7

Stop trying to ruin girl on girl porn!


32 posted on 04/13/2014 1:59:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Arthur lives!


33 posted on 04/13/2014 2:30:35 PM PDT by ZULU (STOP JEB BUSH!!!! NO MORE BUSHES!! US OUT OF THE UN AND UN OUT OF US!!)
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To: ZULU

He’s sippin’ wine on a beach somewhere in Avalon.


34 posted on 04/13/2014 2:49:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv


35 posted on 04/13/2014 4:01:38 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
See a video About Offa's Dyke here.
36 posted on 04/13/2014 4:04:47 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

I guess the ancient Welsh were homophobic and fled at the first sight of a Dyke.


37 posted on 04/13/2014 4:49:23 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: House Atreides

:’) Maybe, but they rushed in everywhere else.


38 posted on 04/14/2014 2:51:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

Thanks blam!


39 posted on 04/14/2014 2:51:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
although you'd never know it if you read the idiotic quotes I cut out for length

You mean like saying it was built to protect the Kingdom of Mercia, which their work apparently disproves?

40 posted on 04/14/2014 5:11:53 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Yeah, I loved how that simpleton kept saying it, and the writer restated it a couple of times in the body of the article.

Of course, we’re dealing with a country that has quite a deep archaeological legacy, and pays to maintain local archaeologists, but they seem to do very little most of the time.

As you know, Tintagel, which figures in the Arthurian myth, was held to be a single, post-”dark age” medieval structure, with one small monastery building.

In the 1980s during a dry spell, the tall dead grass caught fire and burned so thoroughly that it uncovered the ruins of over 200 early medieval buildings that no one had ever noticed were there.


41 posted on 04/14/2014 6:41:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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