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Santa Clara Police Kill Woman Waving Aluminum Baseball Bat
NBC Bay Area ^ | Monday, Apr 14, 2014 | Lisa Fernandez

Posted on 04/14/2014 11:55:05 AM PDT by nickcarraway

Santa Clara police fatally shot a woman who they say started attacking them with a baseball bat.

Lt. Kurt Clarke said in a statement the officers, whom he did not identify, feared "for their safety," and fired at her about 4:50 p.m. Sunday in the 5000 block of Lick Mill Boulevard after they were called there because she called 911 "making threats to harm herself and others."

When they arrived, police said the woman came out of the front door and attacked the officers with the bat.

She was treated at the scene but died later at a hospital.

Download the free NBC Bay Area mobile app Clarke did not release any more details.

Fatal officer-involved shootings are unusual in Santa Clara. The last instance was in 2012 when a 42-year-old man was killed during a DUI investigation after he became "uncooperative" and reached for his gun, police said,


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: abuseofpower; baseballbat; bayarea; california; donutwatch; excessiveforce; santaclara
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1 posted on 04/14/2014 11:55:05 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

“Stop resisting! Stop resisting!”


2 posted on 04/14/2014 11:56:02 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Couldn’t the police just shoot the bat out of her hand? /s


3 posted on 04/14/2014 11:56:41 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: nickcarraway

Did they shoot her little dog, too?


4 posted on 04/14/2014 11:57:37 AM PDT by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: nickcarraway

No tazer available I guess.


5 posted on 04/14/2014 11:58:15 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Weren’t they carrying batons?


6 posted on 04/14/2014 11:59:02 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: nickcarraway
...they were called there because she called 911 "making threats to harm herself and others."

So where were the ubiquitous Tasers?

7 posted on 04/14/2014 11:59:45 AM PDT by deks (Sent from my BlackBerry Q10)
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To: nickcarraway

Personally, I think the penalty for attempted suicide should be death by lethal injection...


8 posted on 04/14/2014 12:00:00 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Night Hides Not

I haven’t seen a cop carrying a baton for decades.


9 posted on 04/14/2014 12:00:10 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I’d have just set my beeber on stune. But they probably don’t carry beebers.


10 posted on 04/14/2014 12:00:45 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: nickcarraway

Oh, so now aggressively attacking a cop is not sufficient cause for using deadly force? Seriously?!!!


11 posted on 04/14/2014 12:00:47 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: nickcarraway

Tasers.

If only these cops had tasers, this woman would be alive.

Years ago, I would get blasted here for defending the use of tasers by LEO’s. Now it seems cops have quit using tasers and are electing to just murder people. Instead of simply disarming a nutty broad with a bat; they just shoot her dead.


12 posted on 04/14/2014 12:01:16 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: nickcarraway

Why didn’t a squad of cops bring their baseball bats to the ruckus? I’d have love to have seen the expression on that woman’s face if she could have seen them with their bats marching toward her.


13 posted on 04/14/2014 12:01:28 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: nickcarraway

So many killings, so many questions....

If it was “officers” (plural), why could not one one them tased her while the other backed up the first with deadly force? Or were they also expecting her dog?


14 posted on 04/14/2014 12:01:30 PM PDT by Magnum44 (I have had just about enough)
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To: nickcarraway

Sounds like suicide by cop.


15 posted on 04/14/2014 12:01:40 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: nickcarraway
Is every cop in California now a hair-triggered coward?

The only good thing that can be said here is that at least they shot the woman with the bat. Considering the CA cops' abilities to ID suspects, as shown in the Dorner manhunt, I'm surprised they didn't shoot a 300 lb blind black man because his cane sorta looked like a bat.

16 posted on 04/14/2014 12:02:36 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: nickcarraway

She might have harmed herself so he killed her for her safety.


17 posted on 04/14/2014 12:02:37 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: fwdude
"Oh, so now aggressively attacking a cop is not sufficient cause for using deadly force? Seriously?!!! "

They should be like Bammy and issue the call to retreat. If the woman is only after the cops, how is the "public" in danger?

18 posted on 04/14/2014 12:02:41 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: nickcarraway

Armed with only a bat, she could have been rushed by officers with shields and perhaps one officer might have been bruised. It’s obvious the guiding criterion for police, as to use of deadly force, is their perception that they might be harmed in any way. The silver lining to this incident is that all officers went home safely.


19 posted on 04/14/2014 12:03:04 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished)
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To: fwdude
Those JBTs should have knelt down and bared their heads so she could have gotten some cleaner shots at their skulls.

You know you live in a fascist police state when you're not allowed to just randomly smash people's faces in with aluminum baseball bats anymore.

What's next? Arresting people for mugging or carjacking? It's a slippery slope.

20 posted on 04/14/2014 12:08:16 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: nickcarraway

Expensive rental complex.

The incident began about 4:50 p.m. Sunday when police received a call from a woman threatening to harm herself and others, police said. She said she had taken pills, wanted police to shoot her and would attack officers with a bat, authorities said.


21 posted on 04/14/2014 12:08:59 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: 1rudeboy

Many departments have stopped issuing batons after the Rodney King incident. To afraid of lawsuits for excessive force. Now they only have to justify against a perceived life threat. No continuum of force necessary.


22 posted on 04/14/2014 12:13:50 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: luvbach1

Sorry. If someone attacked me with a bat, I’d shoot them, too. If I am willing to defend myself with lethal force in such a situation, I will concede that much to the cops.
I hope there is a film of the incident, though, to make sure the cops told the truth.


23 posted on 04/14/2014 12:16:05 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: taxcontrol

Black and white. Binary. How simple.


24 posted on 04/14/2014 12:16:12 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: fwdude

The Warriors didn’t have guns when they kicked the shit out of the Baseball Furies.


25 posted on 04/14/2014 12:18:26 PM PDT by mindburglar (When Superman and Batman fight, the only winner is crime.)
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To: Little Ray

You would shoot a woman threating you with a bat? Are you a man ? ... if you are you’re not much of one.


26 posted on 04/14/2014 12:24:22 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: nickcarraway

One uLEO to the other uLEO: “It was a good kill.”


27 posted on 04/14/2014 12:24:37 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: clamper1797

Really? Am I lacking in manhood, or are you lacking in respect for women?


28 posted on 04/14/2014 12:26:51 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

It takes about 10 minutes of training to learn how to disarm a person with a bat much less a woman. Surely these
serve and protect donut munchers have at least a few minutes of empty hand training.


29 posted on 04/14/2014 12:27:40 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: taxcontrol

They apparently still use batons in South Korea.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=pictures+of+riots+in+south+korea&qpvt=pictures+of+riots+in+south+korea&FORM=IGRE#view=detail&id=3334D7C225D1EB78AEA723CD909496E0F9A0D893&selectedIndex=25


30 posted on 04/14/2014 12:29:04 PM PDT by smoky415 (Follow the money)
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To: Little Ray

My opinion is the former. I teach womens self defense classes.


31 posted on 04/14/2014 12:29:26 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: School of Rational Thought
She might have harmed herself so he killed her for her safety.

***********************

Exactly. It's the only way to be sure.

32 posted on 04/14/2014 12:30:18 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: martin_fierro

SV ping.


33 posted on 04/14/2014 12:30:31 PM PDT by null and void (The British declared war on the Tea Party. The Tea Party won! (Thanks mom!))
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To: Little Ray; clamper1797
Am I lacking in manhood, or are you lacking in respect for women?

Or both? Could they just not shoot her once in the leg if they don't have the guts to face her with pepper spray and tazer?

34 posted on 04/14/2014 12:30:44 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: nickcarraway

Infield fly rule? I never did learn of that nnuance.


35 posted on 04/14/2014 12:34:51 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: Little Ray
Sorry. If someone attacked me with a bat, I’d shoot them, too.

Gimme a break. You trying to tell me you couldn't at least outrun the woman and get to cover while planning a non-lethal method of restraining her?
36 posted on 04/14/2014 12:35:17 PM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: BipolarBob

My point is that most men even without training should be able to disarm the average woman with a bat or at least not have to shoot them dead.


37 posted on 04/14/2014 12:35:31 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: jennychase

... Officers were quick to oblige.


38 posted on 04/14/2014 12:38:42 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: Little Ray

Polish up your jack boots. I heard the BLM needs fine young citizens like you.

Normal people (Even nomal LEO’s) would use a taser or other non-lethal means to subdue a crazy woman. But not you.

You have the kill ‘em first and let God sort it out mentality.

That’s what our New World Order needs today.


39 posted on 04/14/2014 12:40:55 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: nickcarraway

Two cops who can’t handle a distraught woman with a bat without killing someone need new jobs somewhere else.


40 posted on 04/14/2014 12:44:36 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: clamper1797

We are in agreement.


41 posted on 04/14/2014 1:02:53 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Night Hides Not

Haha. Good one.


42 posted on 04/14/2014 1:06:19 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: PAR35; nickcarraway

I’m trying to imagine how the conversation would go:
“Officer Mack - please proceed to xyz where a woman is threatening harm to herself and others. If you get there and she attempts to harm others, you can shoot her...”

Riddle me this; if she were making threats only against others, that would be one thing. However, if she is making threats against herself, shouldn’t there be a different protocol used to subdue these individuals?


43 posted on 04/14/2014 1:08:03 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Little Ray
Sorry. If someone attacked me with a bat, I’d shoot them, too.

I assume you are not a policeman. Police have at their disposal other means than a gun, of which we are all aware.

44 posted on 04/14/2014 1:15:47 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished)
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To: BikerJoe; Responsibility2nd; BipolarBob; clamper1797

I am not going to run.
I am not going to take a beating.
I am going to take the threat seriously.
I would use lethal force to defend myself and, in cases like this, I extend the same courtesy to the cops. I am sorry the cops didn’t use any less-lethal means that might have been at their disposal, but this is not a case like the cops shooting that guy who was already spread-eagled against a car. She picked her fight and the consequences are on her head.


45 posted on 04/14/2014 1:33:29 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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Sounds like she had mental problems for which 98% of LEOs are not trained to deal with.

If she really called them ahead of time to warn them as a previous poster mentioned, why was her killing necessary? Sounds like she needed mental help.

We get these types in the psych ward. They can be handled without being killed. Consider, hospitals would be sued out of existence for an incident like this. They can actually be held responsible, unlike our public servants.


46 posted on 04/14/2014 1:56:00 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: School of Rational Thought
She might have harmed herself so he killed her for her safety.

Nailed it.

47 posted on 04/14/2014 1:56:50 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: nickcarraway

Sheesh!!!

At least the dog is still breathing


48 posted on 04/14/2014 2:22:44 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

Maybe the officers were baseball purists who hate anyone not using wood bats.


49 posted on 04/14/2014 2:25:07 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Pity it didn’t happen in Seattle. NOBODY in Seattle can hit anything with a baseball bat.


50 posted on 04/14/2014 2:29:46 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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