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I Went To The Bundy Ranch Protest This Week-end & Liked What I Saw --(11 Pictures)
rightwingnews ^ | April 14, 2014 | John Hawkins

Posted on 04/14/2014 3:01:10 PM PDT by virgil283

"This is why the whole question of whether he “paid his fees” is a red herring. The government changed the rules in an effort to drive people like him out of business. Even if he had paid, he’d still have had to break the rules to survive. That’s the position bureaucrats put him in. Obey our silly, arbitrary rules designed to protect a desert tortoise that no one can show he’s hurting in any way or give up your way of life...."

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KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bundyranch; protest
"First off, is Cliven Bundy a deadbeat crank?

No.

Is he a hero?

No.

He’s just a man who decided that he didn’t want to lose his ranch when the government arbitrarily changed the rules in order to deliberately destroy his business.

As Cliven Bundy said,

“Years ago, I used to have 52 neighboring ranchers,” he said. “I’m the last man standing. How come? Because BLM regulated these people off the land and out of business.”

This is why the whole question of whether he “paid his fees” is a red herring. The government changed the rules in an effort to drive people like him out of business. Even if he had paid, he’d still have had to break the rules to survive. That’s the position bureaucrats put him in. Obey our silly, arbitrary rules designed to protect a desert tortoise that no one can show he’s hurting in any way or give up your way of life."

A well reasoned article with photos

1 posted on 04/14/2014 3:01:10 PM PDT by virgil283
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To: virgil283
What is really sickening is that the Obama's spend more money flying their dog out on vacation then they'd get from Cliven Bundy.
The government is not going to balance the deficit on the backs of cattle ranchers like Bundy even if they all paid the grazing fees.
2 posted on 04/14/2014 3:06:06 PM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: virgil283

I hope the BLM comes for the property of each and every idiot here and throughout the media (They will eventually) that spouts off on this claiming he’s a kook/lawbreaker.

I have a few years experience with the BLM and that particular office from my Off-Road.com years. It may be different people today but I can assure people they have one order of business. Remove the public from public land.

Unless you are a Sierra Clubber/Democrat. People should read up before they spout off.


3 posted on 04/14/2014 3:09:09 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: virgil283
Congress relegated Law making to the unelected agencies.

They are both lazy Bast@rds and un-American.

4 posted on 04/14/2014 3:10:25 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: virgil283

Thanks for posting this.


5 posted on 04/14/2014 3:11:06 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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Bookmarking


6 posted on 04/14/2014 3:11:26 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: Falcon4.0

We need to make MooseShell obtain a grazing license for her abuse of Government property.


7 posted on 04/14/2014 3:11:33 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: virgil283

What bothers me is that every Federal Department and Agency has its own military wing.

It may have existed before 9/11, but the excuse for every gov’t agency to become a military force was cemented in place with 9/11, the formation of DHS, and the unlimited government money for “security” that has been made available.

The dangerous and evil effects will start to be seen more and more frequently.


8 posted on 04/14/2014 3:14:31 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Paladin2
Congress relegated Law making to the unelected agencies.

No representation. Who can we vote out for this? No one. I'm thinking it's time to quit obeying alphabet agencies' directives as not having been passed by proper legislation. We may as well have the government of Uzbekistan passing laws on us.

9 posted on 04/14/2014 3:32:07 PM PDT by Big Giant Head
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To: Norm Lenhart

“I have a few years experience with the BLM and that particular office from my Off-Road.com years. It may be different people today but I can assure people they have one order of business. Remove the public from public land.”

Mr GG2 can also attest to that from personal experience.


10 posted on 04/14/2014 3:32:07 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Amen brother. I used to work with for the National Park Service. They didn’t care about history - they literally made historic structures that had never existed out of old parts, whatever they wanted to keep their $$ flowing. Did you know the NPS Lincoln’s Birthplace IS NOT his real birthplace? Oh and don’t even get me started on what they do to anything connected to the revolution. They despise that history.


11 posted on 04/14/2014 3:38:55 PM PDT by Colehill1999 (Revolution is a dish best served cold)
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To: virgil283
The Posse Comitatus Act is supposed to keep the military from policing this country — and that’s appropriate. So, when we have government agencies training like the military, carrying military hardware and acting like our military in a foreign country on our soil, what’s the difference?

IMHO the most important point made in the article. Why was the Sheriff not out there ordering those jack boots to cease military operations in his county? I wouldn't expect him to get into a shootout with the Fedscum but he should at least have issued the lawful order. The true evil here is the Federal government but I would hope the good people of Clark county send that collaborator packing come election time.

12 posted on 04/14/2014 4:03:15 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: virgil283

I grew up on a sheep ranch in Washington state. We grazed on National forest land in the burnt off areas of the high Cascades. Washington used to have lots of large sheep ranches. The Federal Government close off the National Forests for grazing. Now there is NO sheep ranches in Washington. Basically they are doing the same thing in Nevada.


13 posted on 04/14/2014 4:05:34 PM PDT by Vinylly (?)
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To: virgil283

Bttt


14 posted on 04/14/2014 4:14:39 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Vinylly
Now there is NO sheep ranches in Washington. Basically they are doing the same thing in Nevada.

The fundamental goal is to destroy a producer economy and our founding culture of capitalism and individual reward for the individual that expends his energy. In it's place they will have entitled consumers...

This nation has become the world's largest sheep ranch... all overgrazing, if you catch my drift.

15 posted on 04/14/2014 4:26:54 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Falcon4.0

Corruption and debt are the real issues. Corrupt politicians want to put land onto the federal balance sheet so they can sell leases and real estate to their sponsors. As they’ve done this for 50 years and racked up huge deficits buying votes the end game approaches.

If I was there I would have had this sign:

If we revolt who will pay your debts?

They need to clean up their act and fast. If/when a collapse comes the reconstruction will go VERY HARD on the crooks who got us there.


16 posted on 04/14/2014 4:28:51 PM PDT by Justa
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To: virgil283

I have handled many IRS collection cases. They always weight the potential recovery to the cost of collecting. To spend millions trying to recover unpaid fees by confiscating a few cows is a terrible use of our money.


17 posted on 04/14/2014 5:05:53 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: virgil283

bttt,, thanks for the pictures


18 posted on 04/14/2014 5:18:50 PM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: virgil283

“Because BLM regulated these people off the land and out of business.”

Nobody ever says what this means? How did they get regulated off their land? Fail to pay fees? Retire? What are the specifics for each of these ranchers?


19 posted on 04/14/2014 5:34:45 PM PDT by SgtHooper
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To: SgtHooper

Fees, environmental regulations, sudden ‘laws’ that vary by day, place and circumstance all go toward making life too expensive or too dangerous to risk ones/a group/businesses financial future on the ever changing whims of BLM regulation.

If you want a quick example, read up on what the BLM did to the sport of Off-road racing in the California and no Nevada deserts. They were regulated to near extinction over desert tortoises and ‘fees’ that doubles and more year to year.

That is one better known example. there are MANY more.


20 posted on 04/14/2014 5:40:39 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Vinylly

I’m not going to argue with what you said, but before I inserted a comment resulting from your own I did an internet search for

Washington state sheep ranch

and came up with this

http://www.wssp.org/member_directory.htm

I’m going to assert you explain your comment, as had I relied on that I’d have had egg on my face.


21 posted on 04/14/2014 6:31:06 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Norm Lenhart; SgtHooper
"Fees, environmental regulations, sudden ‘laws’ that vary by day"...

... Well said Norm, You can't keep up : violations, penalties, vaguely written rules that only they can interpret....on and on.

22 posted on 04/14/2014 6:34:50 PM PDT by virgil283
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To: Norm Lenhart

Make more sense. Thanks!


23 posted on 04/14/2014 6:56:24 PM PDT by SgtHooper
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To: Colehill1999

“Amen brother. I used to work with for the National Park Service. They didn’t care about history - they literally made historic structures that had never existed out of old parts, whatever they wanted to keep their $$ flowing. “

I have to disagree. I have a cousin, works for the NPS. He loves his work. He maintains old structures, restores found artifacts of structures to his best supposition of the original, and has spent close to 30 years becoming the best he can be at the older construction methods. It is a labor of love for him and many others in the NPS.

(quite aside, riverrun, you out there?)


24 posted on 04/14/2014 7:09:35 PM PDT by theneanderthal
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To: Falcon4.0
The government is not going to balance the deficit on the backs of cattle ranchers like Bundy even if they all paid the grazing fees.

Found on the Internet (link brings up the organization, but a "404" on the article. It doesn't look like an outfit that would follw this, though. Caveat Emptor):

"BLM and the FS typically spend far more managing their grazing programs than they collect in grazing fees. For example, the GAO determined that in FY2004, the agencies spent about $132.5 million on grazing management, comprised of $58.3 million for the BLM and $74.2 million for the FS.

These figures include expenditures for direct costs, such as managing permits, as well as indirect costs, such as personnel. The agencies collected $17.5 million, comprised of $11.8 million in BLM receipts and $5.7 million in FS receipts." cited from https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mi..."

25 posted on 04/14/2014 8:15:12 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: SgtHooper

“How did they get regulated off their land? Fail to pay fees? Retire? What are the specifics for each of these ranchers?”

Here’s a 2010 YouTube where Nye County (north of Vegas) Sheriff Tony DeMeo explains their method at 2:50:
“beneficial use”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaEKB8pU2Tw


26 posted on 04/14/2014 8:37:55 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: virgil283
"I'm from the governments and I'm here to . . ." (from the site)


27 posted on 04/14/2014 8:39:50 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: PGR88

Just like Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.
When the Gov owns all the guns, this is what happens.


28 posted on 04/15/2014 5:27:50 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: logi_cal869

I was talking about large herds of cattle like Bundy’s ranch has large herds of cattle. Large ranchers had several herds of sheep of about 1000 which is called a ‘band’. Bands of sheep are gone, you only see small herds on farms and these small herds are not the rancher’s sole income.


29 posted on 04/15/2014 11:50:24 AM PDT by Vinylly (?)
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To: Vinylly

Thanks for the clarification.


30 posted on 04/15/2014 11:59:06 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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