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Was the Gospel of St Luke 'written' by MARY?
The Daily Mail Online ^ | April 14, 2014 | Ellie Zolfagharifard

Posted on 04/14/2014 4:20:41 PM PDT by GreyFriar

Dr. Adam Bradford believes third Gospel was originally a legal document. He says it was written by Luke, a Greek physician, as a letter of support for St Paul who was imprisoned for the political crime of supporting Jesus. Details about Jesus' childhood could only have come from Mary, he claims. He argues feminine words in the scripture give away the true author.

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Dr. Bradford has an interesting and, to me, a plausible theory. However, I think that Luke interviewed Mary about Jesus and used that in his text, rather than Mary actually writing the text. I make no comment on his theory of Joseph as an architect instead of being a carpenter.
1 posted on 04/14/2014 4:20:41 PM PDT by GreyFriar
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To: GreyFriar; zot; NYer; Salvation; markomalley; SeekAndFind; tired&retired; Interesting Times; ...

Gospel of Luke ping


2 posted on 04/14/2014 4:23:21 PM PDT by GreyFriar ( Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

A “carpenter” in Christ’s time would include a variety of skills, not just a cabinet and furniture maker as we might think. Christ repeatedly used construction idioms in His parables: towers, barns...the cornerstone. However, I am always suspect of the radical theories that seem to always show up and threaten traditional theology right around Easter every year.


3 posted on 04/14/2014 4:24:11 PM PDT by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
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To: GreyFriar

carpenters probably made their own plans


4 posted on 04/14/2014 4:24:44 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GreyFriar

When Jesus was crucified, he appointed the disciple John to act as her son—which is to say, to take care of her.

Mary was with the disciples several times after the Crucifixion, and according to early tradition frequently met with them. No doubt she told all of them stories about the boyhood of Jesus.

So, yes, Mary certainly contributed toward the stories told in the gospels—basically all of them—whether directly or indirectly.


5 posted on 04/14/2014 4:26:43 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: GreyFriar

Here we go again.


6 posted on 04/14/2014 4:27:48 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: GreyFriar
Details about Jesus' childhood could only have come from Mary,

Maybe Luke simply asked her....Doh...

They traveled together after all...

It's not like they were strangers...

7 posted on 04/14/2014 4:28:27 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GreyFriar

The stories in the first chapters of Luke undoubtedly had to come from Mary. Luke could have interviewed Mary or possibly John (who was made Mary’s son at the cross) or other family member.

On this note, I have a theory that a common source for the synoptic gospels is one or more of the scribes who were often present when Jesus spoke.


8 posted on 04/14/2014 4:31:35 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: GreyFriar

“However, I think that Luke interviewed Mary about Jesus....”

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That has been the assumption by theologians and church leaders for many centuries.


9 posted on 04/14/2014 4:35:21 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Raycpa
The stories in the first chapters of Luke undoubtedly had to come from Mary.

Yeah, no way the Holy Spirit could have known those stories, had to be a Marian interview.

10 posted on 04/14/2014 4:37:03 PM PDT by xone
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To: GreyFriar

As far as Mary being the author, very improbable. If I recall, parts of Acts which was written by Luke indicate the Luke was present with Paul on missions and that Luke was a gentile.


11 posted on 04/14/2014 4:39:19 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: GreyFriar
I make no comment on his theory of Joseph as an architect instead of being a carpenter.

Given the location the term 'carpenter' could refer to a [stone] mason rather than the works-with-wood type.

As for being an architect, I would rather bet that there wasn't nearly as clear a separation between the guy-who-designs and the guy-who-builds that there is today except for the truly huge projects of the time (e.g. the Temple).

12 posted on 04/14/2014 4:40:13 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: GreyFriar
I make no comment on his theory of Joseph as an architect instead of being a carpenter.

IIRC the word is tekton, which doesn't mean "carpenter" in the medieval-to-modern sense of "furniture maker," more generic in terms of construction. There was a lot of Roman infrastructure being built in the area around Nazareth at the time of Jesus' childhood, so there would have been steady work for people with tekt-nical skills.

13 posted on 04/14/2014 4:42:08 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: xone
Yeah, no way the Holy Spirit could have known those stories,

It is possible because Paul claims he received the gospel from no man. However, Luke attributes his gospel to " those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word". Luke 1:2

14 posted on 04/14/2014 4:42:36 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: 353FMG

yup. and i believe it.


15 posted on 04/14/2014 4:44:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: GreyFriar

Let me guess - she wrote it in Latin, with an infallible quill that never runs out of ink nor ever makes a mistake.


16 posted on 04/14/2014 4:49:59 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Raycpa
Reports from the eyewitnesses delivered to Luke that he put in order for his bud Theophilus. Doesn't sound like Luke was doing his own original research.

2 just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, 3 it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you,

17 posted on 04/14/2014 4:50:06 PM PDT by xone
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To: GreyFriar

Regarding Jesus as carpenter:

I don’t recall Jesus ever calling himself a carpenter. He is described by others as a carpenter.

Jesus calls himself a shepherd.


18 posted on 04/14/2014 4:51:13 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: GreyFriar
Just the usual run-up to Easter by the usual suspects.

This is not news - that Luke got a great deal of his information from Mary has been a tradition of the Church for many years.

- St. Luke painting the portrait of the Blessed Virgin, by one of my favorite Netherlandish painters, Maarten de Vos. It's probably a self-portrait, and it's a window into the trade of a painter in the 16th century - the easel, the painter's stick, the assistant grinding colors in the background . . . This scene was painted over and over again by the Low Country artists - very domestic! And of course while a painter is doing your portrait, you have nothing to do but TALK . . . . :-)

This is supposed to be the original portrait:


19 posted on 04/14/2014 4:55:09 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: GreyFriar

Luke himself said he got information from others (Luke 1:1-4). The theory that he got information about the Nativity from the Lord’s mother is nothing new. Who would have known better than she?


20 posted on 04/14/2014 4:56:59 PM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Let me guess - she wrote it in Latin, with an infallible quill that never runs out of ink nor ever makes a mistake.

Well that's weird.

21 posted on 04/14/2014 5:05:48 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Did “she” also write ACTS?


22 posted on 04/14/2014 5:08:20 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I love old paintings of artists doing art. Most of the equipment has not changed from then till now.


23 posted on 04/14/2014 5:12:35 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: GreyFriar

Luke tells us that he interviewed the surviving witnesses of the events he described, including (presumably) Mary. Since there is no further mention of Joseph after Jesus’ adolescence, I presume that he was not alive when Luke wrote, so the fact that Mary would be the source for Jesus’ birth and childhood narratives is plausible, but it doesn’t mean she wrote it (she was likely illiterate after all). Why do people feel the need to make up crap that the written Scriptures don’t support?


24 posted on 04/14/2014 5:31:08 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Fun stuff. If you search for images of “St. Luke and the Virgin” you’ll see a variety of techniques!


25 posted on 04/14/2014 5:44:06 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: GreyFriar; Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; ...

Just in time for Easter, ping!


26 posted on 04/14/2014 5:47:33 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: chajin

Carpenter doesn’t generally mean furniture maker, it refers more generally to workers in wood producing buildings, ships, etc.


27 posted on 04/14/2014 6:03:39 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: 50sDad

The Bible does not call Joseph a carpenter. Rather it uses the Greek word for “builder”.


28 posted on 04/14/2014 6:17:05 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Aren’t there Aramaic translations? What word do they use?


29 posted on 04/14/2014 6:31:46 PM PDT by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
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To: 50sDad

Good question. I’d be curious about that myself.


30 posted on 04/14/2014 7:15:43 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping!


31 posted on 04/14/2014 7:24:41 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GreyFriar

Luke apparently interviewed Mary, or someone to whom she told her story, but I do not believe Mary wrote Luke’s Gospel or Acts of the Apostles.


32 posted on 04/14/2014 7:43:29 PM PDT by zot
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To: GreyFriar

Not written by Mary, but if one does an in-depth study of St. Luke, they will find that he was also an artist.

I’ve always figured that while she was posing for St. Luke, he asked questions and she answered them. That’s how he got Chapter 1: 26-—and onward.


33 posted on 04/14/2014 8:54:10 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GreyFriar
From this:

To this:


34 posted on 04/14/2014 8:59:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: xone

Are you degrading the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Holy Trinity?

After all, The Holy Spirit is God, just as the Father and Son are God.


35 posted on 04/14/2014 9:02:08 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Alex Murphy
Let me guess - she wrote it in Latin, with an infallible quill that never runs out of ink nor ever makes a mistake.

And since she didn't have any sex and kids, she became highly educated by attending University and then writing part of the bible...

And to know she was highly educated all we have to do is read the book of Mary (Luke)...She must have written Acts as well...Maybe Luke was just her pen name...

36 posted on 04/14/2014 9:14:10 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: AnAmericanMother
This is not news - that Luke got a great deal of his information from Mary has been a tradition of the Church for many years.

Being a tradition does not mean there are any facts involved...The scripture does tell tho that Luke interviewed those with first hand information which would include Mary...

37 posted on 04/14/2014 9:16:50 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: xone; cyn
Reports from the eyewitnesses delivered to Luke that he put in order for his bud Theophilus.

On another level, he was writing to Abraham, God's friend ("theophilus").

Luke 1

1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

38 posted on 04/14/2014 9:16:56 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.
Why do people feel the need to make up [information] ...?

To publish articles and get tenure.

39 posted on 04/15/2014 3:23:27 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Entropy is high. Wear a hat! And carry an umbrella.)
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To: GreyFriar

Holy ghost writer?


40 posted on 04/15/2014 5:13:40 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: Salvation
Are you degrading the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Holy Trinity?

That's what you got from that post? LOL. Yeah, that's it, degrading the Holy Spirit!

After all, The Holy Spirit is God, just as the Father and Son are God.

No kidding?

41 posted on 04/15/2014 5:50:37 AM PDT by xone
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To: Salvation
"Ta-dah!" That one is really unintentionally funny, like the tireless self-promoter Charles Willson Peale and his Museum!

Some others that I like:


Heemskerck at his best - what a lovely Virgin!


Mabuse - the Northern light is unmistakeable.


Vasari, going all Classical and Mannerist on us ... not only does he have a couple of nosy kibitzers, the Blessed Virgin seems to be offering some advice as well.

42 posted on 04/15/2014 7:58:17 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: GreyFriar
However, I think that Luke interviewed Mary about Jesus and used that in his text, rather than Mary actually writing the text.

That is the clear indication by most as well. The author of Luke is also the author of Acts. Luke has been shown to have followed Greek methodology in presenting history in both books so it is not unreasonable that he interviewed Mary.

43 posted on 04/15/2014 8:08:05 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Thanks for all the renditions.


44 posted on 04/15/2014 9:05:25 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
I just love the different approaches of the different schools - fun to look at.

I tried to find a modern, but they are all copying/pastiching the Northern Renaissance painters.

45 posted on 04/15/2014 9:35:14 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Liddell & Scott tell us that "tekton" is "1. a worker in wood; a carpenter, joiner, builder; 2. any craftsman or workman, a master of any art", as a poet or songwriter. A second sense is of a planner or contriver generally.

So the primary sense IS that of "carpenter" or "joiner". But that wasn't limited as it is today to the crew chief working under the general contractor - you'd probably find a carpenter building the whole house, foundation, plaster, wood, thatch and all.

46 posted on 04/15/2014 4:03:47 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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