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ARE HISPANICS NATURAL DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS?
Cooking With Chef Carlo ^ | 4/14/2014 | Carlo3b

Posted on 04/14/2014 9:18:43 PM PDT by carlo3b

ARE HISPANICS NATURAL DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS?
OR SHOULD WE ASK,
ARE HISPANICS MORE LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE?

I report, you decide..

Broadly speaking, the Hispanic society, regardless of nationality;
In the most generous interpretation, which political identity better fits the natural characteristics of the Hispanic community?

I believe if you ask the average Hispanic, legal or illegally in our country, the following questions, the answers would be astonishingly different than the average American would attribute to the media's interpretation of this community;
    1. A vigorous background check to insure they have honestly answered the questions, law abiding background, physically and mentally healthy, financially capable..
    2. A legally responsible citizen sponsor, or guaranteed employment..
    3. A agreed upon, predetermined, time limited, periodic reporting for compliance..
    4. A prohibition against any felonious illegal activity for a minimum of 10 years..
I believe the main reason there is a flaunting of our immigration laws, are our immigration laws themselves, and the proliferation of rules that have created a cottage industry of regulations that maintain  the status quo, on both sides of the boarder.. There should be a complete review of the worker program, and temporary and permanent status, with levels of time and costs..

I am convinced they would apply and complete these requirements if they were more fairly unburdened with profit motives of the current methods, and they would vote in favor of their inherent beliefs, which is unquestionably Conservative..



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1 posted on 04/14/2014 9:18:43 PM PDT by carlo3b
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Unfortunately they vote as Leftists both here and in their home countries. A majority of them are also on some form of welfare, even three generations into being here. And they are for amnesty.


2 posted on 04/14/2014 9:22:44 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: carlo3b; 9YearLurker

3 posted on 04/14/2014 9:24:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: carlo3b

Do black people hate their families? Is this why we have breakdown of the black family because blacks don’t love their families as much as other races?

All races love their families.

There are many single Hispanic mothers. Is this because the father hates the children? We have up to 10% Hispanic unemployment. Is this because Hispanics dont want to work as hard as other races?

There are a lot of factors.

Did the ethnic whites vote for FDR because they wanted a handout?


4 posted on 04/14/2014 9:28:05 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: carlo3b

Sadly most hispanic illegal immigrants come from Socialist/communist type countries. They are used to doing what they are told by the govt.

They are natural Democrats. They have about 40%-50% illegitimate birth rate so they are welfare parasites for life.

Mexican immigrants who are the majority have a very highly develped sense of national pride. They don’t want to become American citizens. They just want to work and soak up the freebies.


5 posted on 04/14/2014 9:31:09 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: carlo3b

What happened to CA voting patterns after the last round of amnesty?


6 posted on 04/14/2014 9:37:05 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: 9YearLurker
And they are for amnesty.

Actually, there have been two polls of legal Hispanics that dispute that conclusion.

In both cases, legal Hispanics were against amnesty by a two-to-one margin -- something like 62-30.

And why wouldn't they be? They and their families have either a.) been here for generations and think of themselves as Americans or b.) have jumped thru the immigration hoops and earned their citizenship the hard way.

As a group, legal Hispanics might vote majority Democrat -- but they're not supporters of "amnesty".

7 posted on 04/14/2014 9:37:09 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: carlo3b

Some of your list of their positive qualities is just plain wrong.

For instance religion, Hispanics don’t just vote democrat because they don’t know any better.


8 posted on 04/14/2014 9:37:34 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: 9YearLurker

I’m not saying anywhere in the message that I think they vote their conscience, I’m saying that we are not providing the right message to them..

The reason they vote the way they do is not because they trust government, because they hate Government more than we do, they are bombarded with the leftest message that they have nothing in common with us.. Which is not even close!


9 posted on 04/14/2014 9:37:50 PM PDT by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: carlo3b

Democrat=Republican


10 posted on 04/14/2014 9:39:08 PM PDT by sayfer bullets (“I didn’t leave the [---] party, the [---] party left me.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: carlo3b

They are naturally Republican leaning but greatly influenced by the liberation theology bent int the Roman Catholic Church, which has taken a stance on “social justice” and does not comprehend the Marxist leanings of this social justice. IMO


11 posted on 04/14/2014 9:40:07 PM PDT by tinamina (.)
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To: carlo3b
Mexifornia is now a one-party state. Why are there any questions about this issue?
12 posted on 04/14/2014 9:43:13 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

What has race, or specifically Black has anything to do with this post?

Nothing between those two cultures are naturally compatible, or comparative, politically..

We need to divide these two adversaries, and cull them from the Leftist into our camp..


13 posted on 04/14/2014 9:43:30 PM PDT by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: carlo3b

What?

•have strong family values,
Based on what evidence?

•deeply held religious beliefs,
What religious beliefs?
There is nothing Catholic, at least, in illegally living in another country, in not respecting its laws, culture, language

•a rigorous work ethic,
Based on what? Again, in the Catholic community around here, they have invaded the church building, have their own separate social groups, Spanish masses, yet they don’t contribute to the building, the men hide in the background rather than building a Church, mixing with the americans

•strong community commitment,
they contribute nothing to the American community, taking in state tuition funding for illegal status with no shame no dignity for earning, building

•fun loving,
?
•traditionalist by culture,
? They’re going to vote republican because of celebrating Cinco de Mayo, not allowing American kids to wear the American Flag on ‘their day’, by law?
•socially charitable,
Every bishops appeal day, we view a movie instead of the sermon and we groan that we got caught not going to mass on the military base that day. It’s women Hispanics, with their boy toy males by their side, begging for money. It’s ugly.
•strong gender identities.
The men allow the bishops, their women and their kids to push Americans around while they play innocent that they are invading. These men have no shame that we are fighting over amnesty, they just take. there is nothing manly about this.

That aside, the fact is that all the Mexican women I know are staunch democrats they hate republicans. THey can’t care less about americans’ gay wars, abortion deal.

Look at the March on Washington every January. Are there huge Hispanic contingents?

The fact is that in Mexico, the Republicans are against the church and the dems are for it. THese people would never vote republican because of how it is in their country. And this is not their country.

What do they do to speak up against Amnesty.


14 posted on 04/14/2014 9:45:53 PM PDT by stanne
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To: sayfer bullets

What’s the difference between the two? Very little lately, at least on border security.


15 posted on 04/14/2014 9:45:58 PM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: logic101.net

WHERE IN THE HELL DID YOU SEE AMNESTY IN THIS POST?

Read it!

I’m saying it is a problem in message, and you will NEVER need amnesty.. sheeesh


16 posted on 04/14/2014 9:46:07 PM PDT by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: okie01
Actually, there have been two polls of legal Hispanics that dispute that conclusion.

BINGO.. Thank you okie.. :)

17 posted on 04/14/2014 9:47:33 PM PDT by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: ansel12

With all do respect.. Where am I wrong about their natural societal characteristics?


18 posted on 04/14/2014 9:50:08 PM PDT by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: 9YearLurker

Judging from how most Latin American countries are organized, I would say they are natural supporters of totalitarians.


19 posted on 04/14/2014 9:50:56 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Dagnabitt

YES I HAVE QUESTIONS, read them in the post.. Because they are fed through their media they believe they have nothing in common with us which is just not true..

WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THEM ABOUT VALUES!


20 posted on 04/14/2014 9:52:42 PM PDT by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

True True True.
They don’t want to be US citizens and would like to think they will go back to Mexico to live,but after being here for so many years and liking the water on 24hrs a day ,and electricity 24hrs a day(both for now)it becomes harder to divorce themselves from this life style.


21 posted on 04/14/2014 9:58:24 PM PDT by peteyd (A dog may bite you in the ass,but it will never stab you in the back.)
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To: tinamina
They are naturally Republican leaning but greatly influenced by the liberation theology bent int the Roman Catholic Church,

That is not even close.. The Church says a lot of things that are lofty goals that almost all of their followers fail to follow.. Divorce and birth control among them..

They vote a majority Dem. because they are fed the constant BS about a promise of amnesty and we bite the apple by screaming at them..

We should change the subject to a better immigration policy, fairer, quicker (it takes as long as 3 years and costs several thousand) and cheaper..

22 posted on 04/14/2014 10:00:40 PM PDT by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: carlo3b
Hispanics apparently cannot assimilate to the point of not needing affirmative-action racial preferences, even after 3 or 4 generations.

The GOP will never win over a group that cannot assimilate into the USA. Hispanics, like blacks, are not coming to the (alleged) party of smaller government.

Better to invest in Asian outreach.

23 posted on 04/14/2014 10:00:41 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: carlo3b

One needs to look at them and try to honestly see why they are democrats.

The work ethic thing is blown away by the facts of welfare and the evidence of the lack of quality they generally introduce to an area of work.

Does anyone really want to pretend that such dedicated pro-abortion/pro-gay/ voters and future voters have “deeply held religious beliefs” and “strong family values”

Anyone who has spent time in Mexico, or in the Hispanic community in America should not accept that they have “a rigorous work ethic, strong community commitment” Mexico is a grubby disaster of poorly done, and partly done work, and always has been.


24 posted on 04/14/2014 10:01:50 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: stanne

You my dear FRiend, have more problems than they do.. Your problems are above my pay grade, or my interest.. Thanks, no response necessary ..


25 posted on 04/14/2014 10:03:47 PM PDT by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: carlo3b; tinamina

The expulsion crowd at the Journal never acknowledges the fact that pro-amnesty, “comprehensive immigration reform” leader John McCain (R-Ariz.), was rejected by 67 percent of Hispanic voters, that 72 percent of Hispanics voted against Bob Dole, that 69 percent voted against the elder Bush and that 62 percent voted against the younger Bush. So, it could be argued that Romney’s “tough” illegal immigration stance cost him only 4 percentage points of the Hispanic vote as opposed to that of McCain and that he actually picked up 6 points over Dole and 2 points more than Bush senior did.

The bottom line is that Hispanics are largely Democrats and they don’t swing their support to pro-illegal-immigration Republicans such as McCain and or even to Bush senior, who was vice president at the time of the 1986 amnesty.

In fact, after the 1986 amnesty was signed by President Reagan, the Hispanic vote for the Democratic presidential candidate (Michael Dukakis) in the next election increased by 8 percent. After McCain attempted to push through another amnesty, Hispanic support for the Democratic candidate (Barack Obama) in the next presidential election increased by 9 percent over that received by John Kerry in the previous presidential election.

So if favoring illegal immigration and rewarding illegal aliens is not the key to winning Hispanic votes, what is? Polls show that Hispanics strongly support government welfare and entitlement programs such as Obamacare. In fact, according to surveys reported by the Pew Hispanic Center, 69 percent of Hispanics support expanding or leaving Obamacare as currently constituted. That 69 percent is eerily close to the 71 percent of the Hispanic vote that went to President Obama.

“The expulsion crowd at the Journal never acknowledges the fact that pro-amnesty, “comprehensive immigration reform” leader John McCain (R-Ariz.), was rejected by 67 percent of Hispanic voters, that 72 percent of Hispanics voted against Bob Dole, that 69 percent voted against the elder Bush and that 62 percent voted against the younger Bush. So, it could be argued that Romney’s “tough” illegal immigration stance cost him only 4 percentage points of the Hispanic vote as opposed to that of McCain and that he actually picked up 6 points over Dole and 2 points more than Bush senior did.

The bottom line is that Hispanics are largely Democrats and they don’t swing their support to pro-illegal-immigration Republicans such as McCain and or even to Bush senior, who was vice president at the time of the 1986 amnesty.

In fact, after the 1986 amnesty was signed by President Reagan, the Hispanic vote for the Democratic presidential candidate (Michael Dukakis) in the next election increased by 8 percent. After McCain attempted to push through another amnesty, Hispanic support for the Democratic candidate (Barack Obama) in the next presidential election increased by 9 percent over that received by John Kerry in the previous presidential election.

So if favoring illegal immigration and rewarding illegal aliens is not the key to winning Hispanic votes, what is? Polls show that Hispanics strongly support government welfare and entitlement programs such as Obamacare. In fact, according to surveys reported by the Pew Hispanic Center, 69 percent of Hispanics support expanding or leaving Obamacare as currently constituted. That 69 percent is eerily close to the 71 percent of the Hispanic vote that went to President Obama.”

http://cis.org/mortensen/hispanics-were-democrats-long-illegal-immigration-became-issue


26 posted on 04/14/2014 10:05:49 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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Hispanics apparently cannot assimilate to the point of not needing affirmative-action racial preferences...

There are several millions of Hispanics in Texas whose families have been here since Independence -- and before -- who would sharply disagree with your conclusion.

There were many Hispanics inside the Alamo...and at Washington-on-the-Brazos.

Your description may be accurate for the late arriving illegals, but it's not accurate for the bulk of legal Hispanics.

27 posted on 04/14/2014 10:06:57 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: carlo3b

Send them back to Mexico and then who has to care?


28 posted on 04/14/2014 10:07:12 PM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: carlo3b
Unfortunately when it comes to government all they know is socialism and communism. They have been taught this since they were born and it's baked in the cake.

The only fix for illegals is to force them back across the border where they belong. Simply make it a criminal offense to knowingly hire an illegal alien worker. Give an amnesty period where all illegals have one year to leave the country on their own. If you leave on your own there will be no penalty and can apply for any future legal status. If you are caught in the country after the one year amnesty period you are documented with DNA, deported and can NEVER legally enter the United States again.

The illegals would self deport with these simple changes.

29 posted on 04/14/2014 10:07:29 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: ansel12

ansel, I have had thousands of them in my employment in my companies for years..

Aside from their language problems they are better workers at their level of employment, than any other culture..

They are willing to follow rules that are well defined and fair, without questions, or hostilities..

Once they know you, and trust you, they are the most loyal of my assets..


30 posted on 04/14/2014 10:10:27 PM PDT by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: okie01

We just had an election, 71% of “legal” Hispanics voted for Obama’s second term.


31 posted on 04/14/2014 10:15:44 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: stanne

I’ll only speak to the work ethic part. I’ve had a roofing crew working on my house about 2 years ago. Only the foreman spoke English. Those guys worked hard, and did a great job.

Thats just one example. From every indication I’ve seen, they do work very hard.


32 posted on 04/14/2014 10:16:00 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: carlo3b

LOL, I don’t doubt you one bit about what sounds like your longtime preference for Hispanic labor by the “thousands”.

In construction and the trades, they generally suck, and when you look at Mexico, you can see that what they do there sucks as well, and always has.


33 posted on 04/14/2014 10:19:05 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: carlo3b
Hispanics are natural Dems. They have 53% out of wedlock birthrates, high school dropout rates, greater than average use of welfare programs, and support Big Government.

From a Pew study: When it comes to the size of government, Hispanics are more likely than the general public to say they would rather have a bigger government which provides more services than a smaller government which provides fewer services.

Some 75% of Hispanics hold this view; just 19% say they prefer a smaller government. By contrast, just 41% of the public at large voice support for a bigger government.

Support for a larger government is highest among immigrant Latinos, with 81% holding this view. This share falls to 72% among second-generation Hispanics and 58% among third-generation Hispanics.


34 posted on 04/14/2014 10:19:35 PM PDT by kabar
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To: carlo3b

I really don’t care what the resident of the island of Hispaniola is, though as a rule I thought they were either Dominicans or Haitians.


35 posted on 04/14/2014 10:20:11 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: okie01
Your description may be accurate for the late arriving illegals, but it's not accurate for the bulk of legal Hispanics.

Hispanic voters are Legal (heck they're citizens) and they vote Democratic.

It's not illegals who make those Texas border counties democrat strongholds.

36 posted on 04/14/2014 10:20:52 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: precisionshootist
Allow me to meet your points one at a time if I can..

Unfortunately when it comes to government all they know is socialism and communism. They have been taught this since they were born and it's baked in the cake. Your broad statement is patently fails fact.. Immigrants from the former Communist block, are some of the most ardent patriots in this country, defending our conservative views and warning against socialism..

The only fix for illegals is to force them back across the border where they belong. Simply make it a criminal offense to knowingly hire an illegal alien worker. Give an amnesty period where all illegals have one year to leave the country on their own. If you leave on your own there will be no penalty and can apply for any future legal status. If you are caught in the country after the one year amnesty period you are documented with DNA, deported and can NEVER legally enter the United States again.

I AGREE, and never said anything else.. This post is a fact of life, and we can get many more of them if we were more proactive in our messaging.. The illegals would self deport with these simple changes.

37 posted on 04/14/2014 10:21:40 PM PDT by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I am Hispanic, I have worked with Hispanics, you are right on about the majority of Hispanics.


38 posted on 04/14/2014 10:21:49 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: Mastador1

HUH? what am I missing.. sorry.. :)


39 posted on 04/14/2014 10:22:58 PM PDT by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: carlo3b
I believe the main reason there is a flaunting of our immigration laws, are our immigration laws themselves, and the proliferation of rules that have created a cottage industry of regulations that maintain the status quo, on both sides of the boarder[sic].. There should be a complete review of the worker program, and temporary and permanent status, with levels of time and costs..

There is a lack of enforcement of our immigration laws. If they were enforced, there would be no flaunting of them. When you reward illegality, you get more of it.

40 posted on 04/14/2014 10:23:29 PM PDT by kabar
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To: pleasenotcalifornia

Thank you.. I know.. :)


41 posted on 04/14/2014 10:23:44 PM PDT by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: carlo3b; pleasenotcalifornia; Georgia Girl 2

I too agree with post 5.


42 posted on 04/14/2014 10:28:38 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: carlo3b

Everybody swings naturally to the left, because there isn’t anybody who doesn’t dream of having their obligations and recreations paid for by somebody else if they could get away with it.

Swinging to the right does not come naturally, but it’s the most necessary point of view, if you really want everybody to make prosper.


43 posted on 04/14/2014 10:28:38 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: ansel12

Thanks

Cold water on loony wishful thinking anecdotal crap espoused by too many here

Its an old battle isn’t it?

Stupid Freepers who think because they are Catholic they will be natural conservatives

Blissfully unaware of the historical flaw in that logic a mile wide


44 posted on 04/14/2014 10:28:45 PM PDT by wardaddy (america was lost about the time black thugs appropriated cafe bikes as social status)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Send them back to Mexico and then who has to care?

Great solution.. We should try that.. Thanks for your contribution.. Come on.. LOL

45 posted on 04/14/2014 10:29:41 PM PDT by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: kabar

Thank You


46 posted on 04/14/2014 10:29:42 PM PDT by wardaddy (america was lost about the time black thugs appropriated cafe bikes as social status)
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To: carlo3b
Um, no?

This is based on a faulty premise: there is no [functional] difference between the Republican and Democrat parties.

47 posted on 04/14/2014 10:32:42 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: carlo3b
There are Mexicans,Hondurans, Guatemalans, Costa Ricans, etc. But wouldn't a Hispanic logically have to come from Hispaniola? Never understood the freakin term.
48 posted on 04/14/2014 10:33:03 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: carlo3b
I suggest you read the Eagle Forum Report linked below. She provides compelling, documented evidence that most immigrants are not conservative. Immigrants and minorities vote more than two to one Dem. They are natural Dems who believe in Big Government. It is in their vested interest to vote Democrat.

How Mass (Legal) Immigration Dooms a Conservative Republican Party

49 posted on 04/14/2014 10:34:02 PM PDT by kabar
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To: wardaddy
I would like to believe I am not stupid, but you may have a point, however, I wouldn't want you to think I believe the problem is about religious beliefs, only that they are not atheist..

These folks, and I know many of them in my personal relationships and as employees, are very close to our values by nature, and a lot closer than we are lead to believe..

They can be persuaded with the right messengers and message..

50 posted on 04/14/2014 10:37:47 PM PDT by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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