Skip to comments.Businesses Say They're Having Trouble Finding People Who Will Show Up For Work
Posted on 04/16/2014 7:27:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Every month, the New York Fed conducts two surveys: the Empire State Manufacturing Survey and its services-sector counterpart, the Business Leaders Survey. And each April it asks respondents of both surveys questions related to the difficulty of finding potential hires with certain skills.
This year's pair of April surveys confirmed that, as in previous years, employers are having trouble finding people with advanced computer and interpersonal skills, punctuality, and reliability.
Further, businesses in both the manufacturing and services sectors report that it is becoming increasingly difficult to retain skilled workers.
Below are the two key tables from the survey. The first shows that 36% of businesses in the manufacturing sector that responded to the survey are having moderate difficulty finding workers who are punctual and reliable, while 11% report great difficulty in finding workers with those traits. In the services sector, it's not as bad — 22% of respondents report moderate difficulty finding punctual, reliable workers, whereas only 3% report great difficulty.
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Who wants to spend 33% of their working time working as a tax slave for the takers?
I believe it, some of them work here!
I tell my daughter who is looking for a better job, that she doesn’t need to worry so much about if her skills are sufficient, with a history of just showing up every day is a bigger plus anymore. You can train someone who is there every day.
Resentment is growing among the makers in this country.Why work like an animal to support lazy worthless welfare types,who enjoy a better life than we do?
I’ve experienced this first hand, the younger they are the less attuned to being on time or even showing up they are, especially mid-twenties age group. It’s not just laziness or irresponsibility per se, these are college graduates in some instances. Oh, I had to go get a haircut this morning, sorry. Or, oh, I just wanted to go to the beach for a few days, sorry. Then they turn up afterwards still expecting to have a job, genuinely surprised that there’s some sort of problem over disappearing for days with no word from them whatsoever.
I just quit a retail job after 3 weeks. Why? No training - absolutely none - and the boss they assigned me to had not taken a bath in - oh, maybe a month? Plus, a busted computer. But the worst was having no idea what I was doing while feral customers were showing slavering teeth and gums!
I’m generally a very hard worker, extremely punctual, but I was not going to put up with nonsense.
Note to employers: you get as good as you give.
Mostly like our elected officials and especially the gov't bureaucrats, like (slow) Learner.
Businesses will, however, continue targeting their older employees for forced retirement or layoff.
W was the only Preezy in the last 20+ years who wasn’t perpetually late.
If Preezies don’t have to be on time — why should anyone else?
employers are having trouble finding people with advanced computer and interpersonal skills, punctuality, and reliability - who are willing to work for minimum wage.
Many of my students fall into this category, with the exception of the Asians....they are on time, sit in the front row and are prepared to answer classroom questions.
Just some more propaganda to bring in more foreign guest workers who can do jobs Americans can’t do.
RE: If Preezies dont have to be on time why should anyone else?
On average, how late is Obama for his meetings?
My company had an job posting for a PHP programmer for an annual salary of $100,000 a year. We had this job posted everywhere for a year and got no serious applicants.
We finally had to bring in a guy from India to do the job.
That is great.
Good question. Some info here though...http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2010/04/13/why-is-obama-always-late/
I have noticed to same thing.
I have two TOP priorities when it comes to hiring someone:
1. will they actually show up.
2. can I trust them to not steal from me.
those 2 criteria alone eliminate 90% of everyone I consider.
After I have hired them I have 1 more eliminator... will they actually work
That one eliminates nearly everyone else.
forget wanting someone competent, or who even speaks English! It’s nearly impossible to meet the above most basic criteria.
Did they try Linkedin?
...and at (well) below market wages.
Several years ago, I interviewed at a CPA firm, and compensation was brought up in the first interview (pretty much a no-no with me, unless there's a bona fide job offer presented).
The interview ended shortly after I said, "I'm willing to work overtime, but not if it mean working 60 hours a week for 40 hours of pay."
Doing what, exactly?
We had this job posted everywhere for a year and got no serious applicants.
I'm not a fan of PHP -- It's far too sloppy a language for any serious business-use [IMO], and having had to write SW that dealt w/ medical and insurance records in it was not fun.
Spoke with someone from a company with a plant in western Maryland who told me 2/3 of their applicants can’t pass a pre-employment drug screen.
Businesses having trouble retaining skilled workers?
Maybe they should try treating them better?
IMO too many employers, knowing jobs are hard to come by, in this wonderful, “fully-recovered” economy, treat employers poorly, asking a lot for little pay.
And treat them like toilet paper.
I know of a couple cases:
case 1: employee’s supervisor had personality and people skills to match his breath. He hired, fired and treated employees with such disrespect and abuse, he was generally dispised and feared. Company owners did not see this side of him as far as employees could tell. To them, he kissed *ss. To the employees he was routinely abusive. To the extent one fired employee finally sued the Company and won a large settlement against the owner, who approved the actions of the abusive supervisor and was full aware of the abuse going on. Good employees either left when they could find another job, or hunkered down and endured the abuse if they could, hoping the abusive supervisor, who was also unqualified in job knowledge and skills, would in time, leave.
Finally, a larger company bought this company and cleaned house, and installed competent managers. And things got better for the survivors and a number of those who had left, came back.
Case 2: A Chinese restaurant (btw, did you know a number of Chinese restaurants have Mexicans for cooks and kitchen help? Cheaper than Chinese, but the Chinese are the waiters so customers assume so are the cooks). A middle aged Chinese woman worked at this Chinese restaurant as dish washer and kitchen help for years. The owners, reduced her hours from 40 hours, to 14 hours, later to 7 hours per week and finally told her she was permanently laid off. The Chinese worker was a hard and reliable worker and worked for years, but never got a raise...just minimum wage. The owners were very cheap...paid a Chinese cook minimum wage as well. Knowing the local economy offered little choice to workers. So, this business rewarded years of loyalty and hard work with a kick in the teeth. Did it to other workers too.
Employers expect loyalty but do not feel they need to show any themselves, knowing there are so many unemployed and underemployed, they can get cheaper workers. This restaurant btw, cheated on taxes by paying at least one cook part in cash (under the table pay) and part in official wages.
Nice folks all.
Small wonder employees have problems showing loyalty and reliability to employers.
They just need the proper wake up call. My first real job was for a boss who not only wanted punctuality, he wanted you to be early. (no he was not Tom Coughlin). During my first month I was 10 minutes late one day and the senior VP ushered me into his office. Asked what the problem was which I stated I had over slept. He called me over to his wondow and from that vantage point we could see a bunch of people milling about. He said they are looking for your job. There was a recession in the early 60’s. I said, I get the message and no I will not be late again. Not there, not anywhere.
I retired early because of Obamacare. My brother who is a slumlord has almost 0 income on paper but is actually wealthier than us. We can’t hide our income. He got ill and went to our county hospital where they signed him up for ‘insurance’ at no cost because of his income. He has a very expensive to treat uncurable condition. When he called me bragging about it I retired the next day. Said I wasn’t gonna pay for his Obamacare.
I haven’t looked back and couldn’t be happier. We still pay huge taxes but they are getting a much smaller check at the end of the year now. ;)
Good story. I have always been one to be early, but worked at a job some years ago, for which one of the employees was chronically late. This was frowned upon, of course, but the only penalty was people frowning about it. She decided to turn over a new leaf and try to be on time more. After she had been on time for 8 out of 10 days in a 2 week period, the boss went all nuts making a big deal about how wonderful she was. Man, was I PISSED about that.
“Businesses will, however, continue targeting their older employees for forced retirement or layoff.”
Agreed. Which in most cases makes no sense to me, especially if they get “replaced” with people who know nothing, do nothing, don’t care, and don’t show up.
You also lose the longer-term perspective and end up reinventing the wheel, which wouldn’t be the worse thing to happen, except you end up reinventing the even greater number of flat tires.
I see this in operation all the time. I think the recent disastrous activities at Microsoft is a quintessential example of foolish children (Ballmer’s Brats)running the asylum, namely the horrifically awful cell-phone interface (aka Windows 8) Microsoft tried to foist on very PC in the world, their repeated, failed attempts at tablets and phones, their failed attempts at totally controlling Xbox One users, and driving developers away in droves to Android and iOS, which probably their most damaging move because this diminishes the ONLY reason anyone ever really buys Windows in the first place, namely that’s where all the software runs.
20 minutes late for planned non-emergency televised speeches is almost always within a minute or two.
Why would anyone show up for work when welfare pays $30,000 a year?
Uh huh. Let me guess. “Requires extensive experience in all of the following: ABC.1, MumboJumbo Ver 3, DEFG Protocol Package, BlungeScript, XYZZY 2.3 or later, Java Lotus Framework with Security Package 3, Wifi 802.11, Mil-Spec 3.376, HTMLTP TimeWaster 5.0, Leibnitz Protocol Development System...”
All the hipster programmers want to work whenever they please as well. Come in at 10-11 and stay to 8-9. They get about 3 hours of face time with experienced coders and wonder why their latest “I got it from a blog” doesn’t work.
Late husband had 30 yrs in 2 way radio electronics, he was a trouble shooter, who was sent all over the US to iron out issues local shops could not.
At 54 when the business he worked for folded, as cells were starting to replace 2 ways, he applied for job
s all over the country. Pay beginners wages, and you pay moving expenses. Those jobs got turned down. You want 30 yrs experience PAY FOR IT!
Youngest son works in a factory, he is in the minority. He works his butt off, they loaf, on the phone, he ends up with their goofs to fix. He gets the pay raises twice what they get. Unless he is truly sick he does not take time off, except vacation time. Loafer minorities are always missing days, or goofing off on the job. Even come in hung over, drunk, or go out to car to take a hit of pot.
Then they wonder why they don’t rise in the company or get a good pay raise.
I’ve offered to put him threw welding school, he spot welds now and has fork lift opp. license. But he does not want the GED end of it. This is a hard working kid, who has always HATED school of any kind. Preferring hands on learning. But he is always on time, does all OT, and stays late if required. He WORKS. Just should have better education for better job, to go with the drive to work.
You can lead a horse to water as the saying goes.
From my experience, basic interpersonal skills, ethics, motivation are severely lacking among Americans. This leaves a big wide opening for non-native-born-Americans to come here, practice those skills, and succeed on the job.
Coming here to do the jobs that many Americans don’t know how to do.
The truth hurts. Get used to it.
Most recent job I quit, 85% of applicants failed the drug test. All the more reason for employers to try and retain their non-druggie hires.
“Note to employers: you get as good as you give.”
I’m sure there’s a lot of truth to that, and the shoe fits the other foot as well. As an employer, I have hired literally tens of dozens of people to get 3 good people in 30 years. The work force in this country has a poor attitude about what it takes to be good employees, which will earn them a decent day’s wages for a decent day’s efforts. Most employees do not care if the company they work for succeeds until they see it close up because it cannot remain profitable.
My son is looking for work, and is doing temp work at the present. He was one of 16 people hired to arrange seats for a concert at the local university. The agency needed to fill five positions, and that was all that showed up. So 5 out of 16 hires come to work when they are out of work at the present?
He sounds like a great kid to me! I worked at Barnes & Noble last year and I was happily surprised at how many young American kids (black and white) were so hard-working. Most of them had two jobs. Work, work, work, that’s all they did, and generally with a smile on their faces. Our kids get a bad rap!
For us, it has come down to being able to eliminate 95% of the problem candidates by focusing our attention on ones who grew up outside the United States.
Well, of course, it’s a two way street. Always was, always will be.
What other dozen experience requirements other than PHP did your HR people add to the “experience” requirements? What geographic areas did they advertise the job in?
I can put my finger on at least a half dozen of my students who are working adults with years of PHP experience who would relocate for 100K a year.
If your company couldn’t find an american with PHP skills to fill the position then they were’nt trying very hard.
Too many companies tailor their requirements and geographic range for applicants solely to have a justification for H1Bs.
Pure BS. What jobs are there that "Americans don't know how to do?" Be specific.
Some work is less tied to a schedule that other work and I don’t mind a flex schedule so long as it’s getting done and not causing a bottleneck or holdup. If it’s tied to a schedule and absence would cause a problem then the employee needs to be punctual and not fail to show up without notice. That’s really not too much to expect.
Although I’m sure it’s a lot more prevalent in younger workers, not showing up isn’t an attribute of just the young. I work with somebody in her sixties who overplays the “I feel too sick to come to work” card. In the first 2 months this year, she missed time from work on 20 days, claiming illness. It was even worse last fall. Amusingly enough, after her supervisor wrote her up for excessive absenteeism, her health improved dramatically. She’s only missed time on 1 day in the last 6 weeks.
There have always been slackers and people who abuse sick days, but they were the exception rather than the rule. I get the strong impression that it’s the rule below a certain age, recent college grads on up to early thirties at least.
I tell my daughter who is looking for a better job, that she doesnt need to worry so much about if her skills are sufficient, with a history of just showing up every day is a bigger plus anymore. You can train someone who is there every day.
Until you get to be within ten years of retirement age. Then you will be outsourced or ‘Resource Actioned’.
as mick jagger says...
I don’t have
a full time job..
i don’t need the aggrivation..
i’m a lazy slob
i hang fire..
Who is John Galt?