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Does Traditional College Debate Reinforce White Privilege? (Hurl Alert)
The Atlantic ^ | April 16, 2014 | Jessica Carew Kraft

Posted on 04/17/2014 7:55:49 AM PDT by C19fan

It used to be that if you went to a college-level debate tournament, the students you’d see would be bookish future lawyers from elite universities, most of them white. In matching navy blazers, they’d recite academic arguments for and against various government policies. It was tame, predictable, and, frankly, boring.

No more.

These days, an increasingly diverse group of participants has transformed debate competitions, mounting challenges to traditional form and content by incorporating personal experience, performance, and radical politics. These “alternative-style” debaters have achieved success, too, taking top honors at national collegiate tournaments over the past few years.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Education
KEYWORDS: debate; minorities
Looks like just with any major involving the term "Studies" radicals are ruining debate competitions. Just ignore what the topic of debate is and just go off on a personal rant. I would luv to see that tactic used in a court room.
1 posted on 04/17/2014 7:55:49 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Or do they just knock out the white, “privileged” debaters?


2 posted on 04/17/2014 7:57:25 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: C19fan
I would luv to see that tactic used in a court room.

Isn't that just a variation on pounding the table?

"If the glove does not fit, you must acquit!"

3 posted on 04/17/2014 7:59:16 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Arthur McGowan

It’s too depressing


4 posted on 04/17/2014 7:59:52 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: C19fan

Oppressive debate using racial or radical liberal accusations are not a substitute for truth, nor are they an argument based on reason, logic or correctness.

They are only tactics which force right-thinking people to just wish this crap was over so they could go home and be away from the rabble.

IOW, they dilute and diminish the prestige of true debate.


5 posted on 04/17/2014 8:00:21 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: C19fan

Typical Debate.

“Socialized healthcare is not economically feasible.”

“You’re only saying that because you’re a racist.”


6 posted on 04/17/2014 8:00:29 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: C19fan

You will if you live long enough.


7 posted on 04/17/2014 8:01:58 AM PDT by Monmouth78
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To: C19fan
Liberal law professors have been making this point for decades. “Various procedures—regardless of whether we're talking about debate formats or law—have the ability to hide the subjective experiences that shape these seemingly ‘objective’ and ‘rational’ rules,” said UC Hastings Law School professor Osagie Obasogie, who teaches critical race theory. “This is the power of racial subordination

Rules are white.

8 posted on 04/17/2014 8:03:07 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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I can’t stand reading this, but the answer would seem pretty obvious. The black debaters will argue for black privilege, the white debaters will argue for black privileges, and an occasional Asian debater might say, “May the best man win!”

Or, I suppose, “May the best person win!”


9 posted on 04/17/2014 8:04:03 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

This stuff is just high minded Nazism, with whites replacing Jews as scapegoats.


10 posted on 04/17/2014 8:09:17 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: C19fan
“alternative-style” debaters





no OLD SKOOL debatin goin on here...
11 posted on 04/17/2014 8:13:52 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: C19fan
Looks like just with any major involving the term "Studies" radicals are ruining debate competitions. Just ignore what the topic of debate is and just go off on a personal rant. I would luv to see that tactic used in a court room.

“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.”

You were saying? (Not that I'm in any way thrilled about this.)
12 posted on 04/17/2014 8:17:45 AM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: C19fan

White privilege is real:

You’ll never be called an Oreo or an Uncle Tom.
You’ll never be called a race traitor for voting for someone from a different race.
A college will never assume based on your race that you can’t meet the normal standards.


13 posted on 04/17/2014 8:23:44 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: C19fan
These days, an increasingly diverse group of participants has transformed debate competitions, mounting challenges to traditional form and content by incorporating personal experience, performance, and radical politics.

AKA "dumbing down."

14 posted on 04/17/2014 8:29:16 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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mounting challenges to traditional form and content by incorporating personal experience, performance, and radical politics

Uh huh. I'd bet big money that these "challenges" are specifically known as ad hominem, false choice, tu quoque, red herring, begging the question, guilt by association, etc.

15 posted on 04/17/2014 8:43:53 AM PDT by jiggyboy
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...and now that I’ve read the article, I see that I’ve had lost that big money. It’s not even debate in any traditional (i.e. “white”, “privileged”, “racist”) sense, over the question asked, it’s just screaming about whitey.


16 posted on 04/17/2014 8:48:21 AM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: jiggyboy
"I'd bet big money that these "challenges" are specifically known as ad hominem, false choice, tu quoque, red herring, begging the question, guilt by association, etc"

"That's real retarded, sir"

17 posted on 04/17/2014 8:48:46 AM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: C19fan

The Ghettoization of the public square.

Why would a white kid go to college in the US?


18 posted on 04/17/2014 8:49:01 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Dahoser

Ouuuuuch. Well done sir.


19 posted on 04/17/2014 8:50:49 AM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: Arthur McGowan
Or do they just knock out the white, “privileged” debaters?

Then they don't have to speak in relatively proper English. Then they can use 'street gibberish' that they are used to speaking everyday.

20 posted on 04/17/2014 8:51:47 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: Cicero

And once the white person is winning the argument, the black person just has to say, “That’s Racist!” End of debate.


21 posted on 04/17/2014 8:53:24 AM PDT by dfwgator
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Then they can use 'street gibberish' that they are used to speaking everyday.

As opposed to Authentic Frontier Gibberish.

22 posted on 04/17/2014 8:54:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MNDude

so does minority privilege:

1. you’ll never be called a racist.

2. you’ll never be called a cracker or white boy/white girl.

3. a college will never care if you can meet the normal standards it has b/c it’s diversity requirements supercede individuals’ achievements and abilities - to the extent it will deny qualified whites entry, to allow less qualified minorities entry and scholarships.


23 posted on 04/17/2014 10:17:42 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: C19fan
From the article:

On March 24, 2014 at the Cross Examination Debate Association (CEDA) Championships at Indiana University, two Towson University students, Ameena Ruffin and Korey Johnson, became the first African-American women to win a national college debate tournament, for which the resolution asked whether the U.S. president’s war powers should be restricted. Rather than address the resolution straight on, Ruffin and Johnson, along with other teams of African-Americans, attacked its premise. The more pressing issue, they argued, is how the U.S. government is at war with poor black communities.

What the heck?

In the final round, Ruffin and Johnson squared off against Rashid Campbell and George Lee from the University of Oklahoma, two highly accomplished African-American debaters with distinctive dreadlocks and dashikis. Over four hours, the two teams engaged in a heated discussion of concepts like “nigga authenticity” and performed hip-hop and spoken-word poetry in the traditional timed format. At one point during Lee’s rebuttal, the clock ran out but he refused to yield the floor. “F*** the time!” he yelled.

Debate?

24 posted on 04/17/2014 12:08:02 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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Feel good awards based upon “Telling it like it is.”


25 posted on 04/17/2014 12:10:36 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: dfwgator
As opposed to Authentic Frontier Gibberish.

What, pray tell, is Authentic Frontier Gibberish?

26 posted on 04/17/2014 3:24:54 PM PDT by Parmy
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