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North Charleston man facing federal charges over $.89 drink refill
Live5 WCSC ^ | 04/17/2014 | Sujata Jain

Posted on 04/17/2014 10:15:35 AM PDT by Rusty0604

A North Charleston man was hit with a federal fine for refilling his drink without paying. The on-site construction worker says he didn't know refills at the VA Medical Center in downtown Charleston came at a price, and Wednesday, during his lunch hour, he was slapped with federal charges.

The ticket was issued by the Federal Police Force at the VA Medical Center in downtown Charleston after Christopher Lewis refilled his soda without paying the $0.89. A hospital spokesperson called it a "theft of government property."

"Every time I look at the ticket, it's unbelievable to me,” says Lewis, who works construction. “I can't fathom the fact that I made a $0.89 mistake that cost me $525."

Lewis is now out of a job.

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1 posted on 04/17/2014 10:15:35 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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>> “theft of government property.”

That’s a rich concept.


2 posted on 04/17/2014 10:18:05 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Rusty0604

If he had just told them he was an illegal alien, they would have given him his refill for free and a to go cup for the road!


3 posted on 04/17/2014 10:18:14 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Rusty0604

Is it posted?


4 posted on 04/17/2014 10:18:22 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Rusty0604

We are ALL CRIMINALS now.


5 posted on 04/17/2014 10:19:46 AM PDT by prisoner6 (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered! I AM A FREE MAN!)
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To: Rusty0604

We are ALL CRIMINALS now.


6 posted on 04/17/2014 10:19:47 AM PDT by prisoner6 (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered! I AM A FREE MAN!)
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To: Rusty0604

” The on-site construction worker says he didn’t know refills at the VA Medical Center in downtown Charleston came at a price, and Wednesday, during his lunch hour, he was slapped with federal charges. “

ALL TYRANTS ALWAYS CLAIM THAT: “IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE....”

OF COURSE THE FACT THAT THE “LAW” IF A GIANT MESS OF MILLIONS OF PAGES OF CODES AND REGULATIONS AND BILL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT WHATSOEVER...

I AM SHOUTING BECAUSE I AM PISSED OFF BY THIS IDIOCY...

When you DDOS the Legal code you can become a tyrant and claim that Ignorance of the law is no excuse....


7 posted on 04/17/2014 10:20:24 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Gene Eric

To a liberal, IT’S ALL GOVERNMENT PROPERTY....................


8 posted on 04/17/2014 10:22:45 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: Rusty0604

Was there a sign posted that stated refills are not free?....................


9 posted on 04/17/2014 10:23:25 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: Rusty0604
Lewis says he tried to pay the $0.89 right there, but wasn't allowed to. He says he wasn't given the chance to pay the cashier either.

"I never had an option to make right what I had done wrong."

Question--why in tarnation isn't that dispenser behind a counter then?!

10 posted on 04/17/2014 10:24:43 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: GraceG

So many cops out there do not understand the second amendment or the carry laws in their own states, it is disgusting. You have to have the law written on paper to educate them. They all Re under orders and not under law.

Rule of law my arse indeed, only for us, not them.

In fact lying with a badge is perjury, but you never see that enforced... nope.


11 posted on 04/17/2014 10:25:02 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: lepton

If it’s not clearly posted, I can envision that a lot of visitors would find themselves with a similar problem.


12 posted on 04/17/2014 10:25:23 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Bob

Perhaps that is the idea...


13 posted on 04/17/2014 10:27:04 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'm not anti-government, government's anti-me.)
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To: Red Badger

“Was there a sign posted that stated refills are not free?....................”

My assumption would be that if the drink machine was in easy reach of customers they’re free. At some McDonald’s there’s a sign on the self-service reading something like, “Do not bring a glass from a previous visit. Refills are only free when you first purchase the drink.”

Really. We don’t have the ability to prosecute rapes and serious crime, but we have time for this?


14 posted on 04/17/2014 10:27:15 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Rusty0604

I read through the posting. It says he got aggressive. If he had been pleasant and low key there would have been no problem.


15 posted on 04/17/2014 10:27:46 AM PDT by olepap (Your old Pappy)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Years ago the cops at the VA were common good guys. Now they walk through the halls and drive through the parking lots like they think we're all criminals. Guess they have been schooled that were all terrorists.
16 posted on 04/17/2014 10:29:13 AM PDT by easternsky
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To: Gen.Blather

Well, the $525 fine made the government $499.11 in profit.................


17 posted on 04/17/2014 10:29:22 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: lepton

The man said he didn’t see the sign. Could or would a private business charge that much? Only theft of “government property” would merit this fine.


18 posted on 04/17/2014 10:32:01 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604
The man said he didn’t see the sign

"Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?"

19 posted on 04/17/2014 10:32:47 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: prisoner6

20 posted on 04/17/2014 10:32:55 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Red Badger

“Well, the $525 fine made the government $499.11 in profit.................”

A local Highway patrolman said he writes 300 tickets a day at a wide spot in the road where it goes suddenly from 60mph to 35 mph. A developer told me the county code enforcement office, which staffed up for the housing bubble, hasn’t laid a soul off. The boss told them, “if you want to keep your jobs go out there and write fines.” So, he said they write him $3,000 in fines for every $100,000 in building value. He just prices it in.

Government at all levels has become a sucking leech.


21 posted on 04/17/2014 10:33:19 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Rusty0604

This is “Bridge on the River Kwai” style LUNACY.
To charge and FIRE someone over .89 (I KNOW, I KNOW, it isn’t the amount, it is the intent).

NOW, if this isn’t/wasn’t the first time, ‘they’ may be onto something......

Granted, if not sure, I will ALWAYS ask - even if I may THINK the refill is free, I will basically ask an employee if ‘the refills are still free’.
This is basically the ‘Sister Mary _____’ or ‘Allen Funt’ rule,

treat life like there is either a Nun or Allen Funt looking over your shoulder.

And ‘they’ say “Jewish Mothers” get (and leave a lasting impression) into ones mind.....


22 posted on 04/17/2014 10:35:12 AM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98 --"I would agree with you BUT that would make both of us wrong".))
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To: Gen.Blather
Government at all levels has become a sucking leech.

It always has been. That's why we fought a Revolution...................

23 posted on 04/17/2014 10:36:06 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: olepap

So he should have just taken all this and not said anything?
You suggest to just stay pleasant and low key when being treated unjustly?

“As I was filling my cup up, I turned to walk off and a fella grabbed me by the arm and asked me was I going to pay for that, and I told him I wasn’t aware that I had to pay for that.”

Lewis says he tried to pay the $0.89 right there, but wasn’t allowed to. He says he wasn’t given the chance to pay the cashier either.

“I never had an option to make right what I had done wrong.”

He says he was taken to a room, given the $525 ticket for shoplifting and told not to return to the property.

A hospital spokesperson says it was her understanding that Lewis was aggressive during the confrontation.”


24 posted on 04/17/2014 10:38:26 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Gene Eric

As soon as Washington leftists put down our monies and put up their hands will I worry about this sort of thing.


25 posted on 04/17/2014 10:39:37 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Rusty0604
A hospital spokesperson says it was her understanding that Lewis was aggressive during the confrontation.

For Crissake, how nebulous is that claim? That's like "I heard it via my brother's wife's sister's uncle."

26 posted on 04/17/2014 10:39:46 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: GraceG
Ignorance of the law is no excuse

Unless you are passing the law. Then you have to pass it to find out what's in it.

27 posted on 04/17/2014 10:41:01 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Starstruck

and even then, you have already exempted yourself from said law.


28 posted on 04/17/2014 10:45:49 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: prisoner6
We are ALL CRIMINALS now.

Sinner, yes. Criminal, no. I haven't taken shamelessly stealing a refill from Mickey Dee's or Arby's as a right granted by the Constitution. This guy is just amazed that the VA would consider it brazen theft.

29 posted on 04/17/2014 10:46:02 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Rusty0604

Everyone is guilty.

The government just gets to decide how they want to persecute you.


30 posted on 04/17/2014 10:46:07 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Rusty0604

I followed the links from the VA site below

http://www.charleston.va.gov/visitors/canteen.asp

to the VA Canteen Service (VC) on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/VACanteenService

I encourage leaving feedback if you have an anonymized account...or otherwise don’t have a problem with criticizing government on Facebook...


31 posted on 04/17/2014 10:46:33 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Gen.Blather
A local Highway patrolman said he writes 300 tickets a day

And you believed him?

32 posted on 04/17/2014 10:46:45 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

$525 per drink is a little steep isn’t it?


33 posted on 04/17/2014 10:47:47 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Rusty0604

> A hospital spokesperson says it was her understanding that Lewis was aggressive during the confrontation.”

I would be too if they treated me like that.


34 posted on 04/17/2014 10:49:54 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Rusty0604
Lewis says he tried to pay the $0.89 right there, but wasn't allowed to. He says he wasn't given the chance to pay the cashier either.

Who does he think he is, Harry Reid? Only fat cat politicians can pay back the money and make crimes go away.

35 posted on 04/17/2014 10:50:33 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: olepap

I read through the posting. It says he got aggressive. If he had been pleasant and low key there would have been no problem.


A hospital spokesperson says it was her understanding that Lewis was aggressive during the confrontation.

That actually says nothing.


36 posted on 04/17/2014 10:52:04 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: xrmusn

I recently learned that before there was a “Candid Camera” TV program there was a “Candid Microphone” radio program. Funt was in both.

http://www.otrcat.com/candid-microphone-p-2043.html


37 posted on 04/17/2014 10:53:10 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: Michael.SF.

“Well, the $525 fine made the government $499.11 in profit.................”

Virtually every time I passed him, he had somebody pulled over. But you’re right, that’s 37/hour for an eight hour shift. Incidentally, he looks like he should have retired years ago. When I got my ticket it took roughly five minutes. They scan your license and the whole ticket process is automated. Then you go online to pay. Here you can take an online course to avoid points and I don’t recall how much that costs.


38 posted on 04/17/2014 10:53:13 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: jsanders2001

Me too. I don’t understand some people think you should just take it politely and not cause trouble. Is that what the Jews did as they were marched into the gas chambers?


39 posted on 04/17/2014 10:53:45 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

When progressives ignore moral parameters, they also lose the natural gift of common sense.


40 posted on 04/17/2014 10:55:10 AM PDT by Slyfox (When progressives ignore moral parameters, they also lose the natural gift of common sense.)
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To: Rusty0604; Jeremiah Jr
The ticket was issued by the Federal Police Force at the VA Medical Center in downtown Charleston after Christopher Lewis refilled his soda without paying the $0.89. A hospital spokesperson called it a "theft of government property."

$525 for soda refills. Is that where Bloomberg is operating these days?

This story reads like the parable of the rich man and Lewis...

Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lewis evil things: but now he is drinking a Big Gulp, and thou art tormented.

41 posted on 04/17/2014 10:55:26 AM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Rusty0604
And it sounds like there was a typical A-hole government drone behind the counter who refused to take his money when he realized he made a mistake. That's the one who should be getting arrested.
42 posted on 04/17/2014 10:56:03 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: imardmd1

This guy is just amazed that the VA would consider it brazen theft.


I doubt there would be 2 Vets in a hundred that would call it brazen theft.


43 posted on 04/17/2014 10:59:28 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: easternsky
Years ago the cops at the VA were common good guys. Veterans.
44 posted on 04/17/2014 11:03:20 AM PDT by Foolsgold (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Gen.Blather
A local Highway patrolman said he writes 300 tickets a day....

WOW!!! Lemme see, for an 8 hr shift mmmm 300/8 = 37.5 tickets per hour which is 60/37.5 = writing one ticket every 1.6 minutes. This LEO is a ticket writing machine!

45 posted on 04/17/2014 11:03:29 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: Ezekiel

“Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lewis evil things: but now he is drinking a Big Gulp, and thou art tormented.”

Like!


46 posted on 04/17/2014 11:06:26 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

**Federal Police Force**

FEDERAL POLICE? We were warned FORTY YEARS AGO about the government wanting to have a FEDERALIZED POLICE FORCE! When did this happen!


47 posted on 04/17/2014 11:08:32 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Rusty0604

I wonder if these government dining facilities meet MOOchelle Obamar’s food standards?

“Good for thee, not for me” standards shouldn’t just apply to schools, etc.


48 posted on 04/17/2014 11:09:23 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Rusty0604

Anyone should know that the purpose of the misnamed “federal” government is to obtain “revenue” by any means possible.


49 posted on 04/17/2014 11:11:18 AM PDT by Theodore R. (It was inevitable: Texans will always be for Cornball and George P.!)
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To: Red Badger
Was there a sign posted that stated refills are not free?....................?

If there was such a would you approve of the "ticket."

If so, you have Statistism in your DNA.

Even if there was a sign and he didn't note such, it doesn't warrant a ticket.

In a civil society he would politely be told there are no free refills and that he needs to pay.

50 posted on 04/17/2014 11:11:24 AM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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