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Birthplace of the domesticated chili pepper identified in Mexico
Phys.Org ^ | 04-18-2014 | by Pat Bailey AND Journal reference: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences

Posted on 04/18/2014 9:49:58 AM PDT by Red Badger

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1 posted on 04/18/2014 9:49:58 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

Now here is a hot topic.


2 posted on 04/18/2014 9:51:27 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping?......................


3 posted on 04/18/2014 9:51:32 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: JRandomFreeper; who knows what evil?; greeneyes

Ping.


4 posted on 04/18/2014 9:52:39 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Red Badger

Interesting article. It is amusing to note that extremely tenuous tie in they make to climate change. Of course that is because anything which talks AGW gets to open the federal spigot.


5 posted on 04/18/2014 9:58:47 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: Red Badger
I'm guessing this refers only to Capsicum annuum, (bell, jalapeno, chilli and related peppers) and not to Piper nigrum (black and white pepper) and relatives or Pimenta (pimento, allspice, etc.) species. If so, I find it questionable that Capiscim annuum is so widespread.
6 posted on 04/18/2014 9:59:56 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

On further research, I stand corrected. The chinese plant the hell out of these; I had supposed that Chinese use of chili peppers was a “Chinese-American” thing, like General Tso chicken.


7 posted on 04/18/2014 10:05:29 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Red Badger

:: Study co-author Gary P. Nabhan, an ethnobiologist and agroecologist ::

Why, oh why, for the love of gaia, did I get a degree in “chemistry”?

I could have specialized in agro-bio-theo-micro-nuclear-physical-chemistry! Woe is me.


8 posted on 04/18/2014 10:05:35 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The Acronym explains the science.)
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To: Black Agnes

The chili pepper? That narrows it down./ extreme sarcasm


9 posted on 04/18/2014 10:14:11 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

LOL. I ‘narrowed down’ my pepper plantings this year. I’ve only got ~45 varieties this go around.

I am growing one of the tepin varieties from native seeds though. And something called Zia Pueblo.

How many varieties at your house this year?


10 posted on 04/18/2014 10:22:14 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Red Badger

Thailand, Ireland, and Italy, what the heck did those people eat before hot peppers, potatoes and tomatoes.


11 posted on 04/18/2014 10:26:18 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Black Agnes
Roughly the same as you...I'd have to count them. I'm looking forward to kalia mirch (black pepper from India)...I already have a designated pepper mill for them...FRESH ground pepper. Gernika, orange and chocolate bhut jolokia, brown trinidad scorpion, and yellow trinidad scorpion moruga are among the new additions.

Yum.

12 posted on 04/18/2014 10:36:12 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Is the black pepper from India a capsicum or a piper nigra?


13 posted on 04/18/2014 10:37:02 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: dangus

India grows a lot of peppers as well.


14 posted on 04/18/2014 10:39:16 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: ansel12
Thailand, Ireland, and Italy, what the heck did those people eat before hot peppers, potatoes and tomatoes.

Dirt?
Life was tougher back in those days. People got an arm chopped off and they treated it as a mere flesh wound (or so I saw in a British Documentary about the Black Knight, and King Arthur, and some dangerous bunny rabbit...). Half the population would get wiped out by the Plague and it would be treated with a shoulder shrug.

15 posted on 04/18/2014 10:40:09 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Black Agnes

Piper nigra.


16 posted on 04/18/2014 10:41:04 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: El Cid

I’m just glad that spell check worked on potatoes and tomatoes.


17 posted on 04/18/2014 10:41:52 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Black Agnes

Surprised to see the number of health benefits tied to this pepper...wife will be ‘thrilled’.


18 posted on 04/18/2014 10:43:01 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: dangus

“I’m guessing this refers only to Capsicum annuum, (bell, jalapeno, chilli and related peppers)”

Since the title says “chili” I would guess that also ...


19 posted on 04/18/2014 10:46:26 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: dangus

“The chinese plant the hell out of these; I had supposed that Chinese use of chili peppers was a “Chinese-American” thing,”

When I had Dish, I used to watch the Chinese channels a lot. There was a game show based upon which contestant could eat the hottest food. It was hilarious! One time the had “cookies” that were made of flour of ground chilies! That’s all that was in them! Contestants would shed articles of clothing in attempts to cool down.


20 posted on 04/18/2014 10:47:15 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: who knows what evil?

Are you growing piper nigra here in CONUS?

/johnny


21 posted on 04/18/2014 10:54:34 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Not really...New England.


22 posted on 04/18/2014 11:02:51 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

In a greenhouse? Because I would love to grow them.

/johnny


23 posted on 04/18/2014 11:05:34 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: who knows what evil?

Ok, where’d you get the piper nigra seeds? Have they sprouted yet, I hear they’re devlishly difficult to germinate.


24 posted on 04/18/2014 11:06:10 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: JRandomFreeper; Black Agnes

I started them early...very nice plants (so far). Plenty of light in an area with radiant heat; feeding them bat guano. Lost the greenhouse when I moved recently. Obtained the seed in a swap (I told you that you need to get involved in those, BA.) Planted eight seeds, all eight germinated.


25 posted on 04/18/2014 11:11:00 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Hmm. I might try some bought this summer. It will be this fall’s seed swap before I can get any that way.


26 posted on 04/18/2014 11:12:12 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: who knows what evil?

Cool. I may have to try that next year. Save seed. ;)

I’ve got tobacco seed and really good cantaloupe seed to swap for a few.

/johnny


27 posted on 04/18/2014 11:16:00 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Oops...my bad. I didn’t see the other tray...planted FIFTEEN seed, all germinated and are doing quite well. They will get their first taste of outdoor sunshine tomorrow...just a taste.


28 posted on 04/18/2014 11:19:32 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

I’m baby sitting grand kids and have no idea what my garden is doing right now. Probably playing loud music and having a party.

Told the grand kids that if this gig rolls into tomorrow, we were going to relocate the AO. I need to be near my garden this time of year.

/johnny


29 posted on 04/18/2014 11:23:50 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I have cats that LOVE pepper plants...it’s quite the juggling act to keep them all intact. I have become tuned in to the sound of a cat’s jaws opening...


30 posted on 04/18/2014 11:26:39 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Black Agnes

Speaking of seeds; the seed bill I’ve mentioned before passed the NH Senate yesterday.


31 posted on 04/18/2014 11:29:48 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Cool. I may have to try that next year. Save seed. ;)

I save seed from EVERYTHING...drives my wife nuts.

32 posted on 04/18/2014 11:31:15 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

My catz have been known to nosh on pepper plants. I’ve moved the shelves so they can’t get to them.

/johnny


33 posted on 04/18/2014 11:34:31 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: dangus; Red Badger
What is the origin of hot chili peppers?

"Chili peppers have been a part of the human diet in the Americas since at least 7500 BC. There is archaeological evidence at sites located in southwestern Ecuador that chili peppers were domesticated more than 6000 years ago,[1][2] and is one of the first cultivated crops in the Americas that is self-pollinating. "

34 posted on 04/18/2014 11:34:53 AM PDT by blam
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To: who knows what evil?

Yay.

You’ll have to send me your website addy when you get one set up. too bad it’ll be YEARS before your piper nigra plants actually make seeds...


35 posted on 04/18/2014 11:48:52 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Red Badger

This impresses me as an extremely difficult task.

If asked about the origins of cultivated peppers, my first inclination would be South Asia or the Pacific islands. The second guess would be South America.

To start with, they probably assume that domesticated peppers first made their appearance with the Clovis culture, about 13,000 years ago. But a lot of the technologies used then, and later Indian tribes, may have arrived there already developed.

Either from the Pacific islands or South America, such as the Pedra Furada sites in Brazil. Much, much older than Clovis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedra_Furada_sites


36 posted on 04/18/2014 11:48:53 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I keep my tomato and pepper seedlings in the garage on cold nights. I had a mouse attack last year that wiped out a whole tray. Liberal applications of ‘mousicide’ (traps) stopped that. I have only just started stuff in the past week though so I will probably just keep them outside except on the coldest nights.

The mice even ate the superhot seedlings. I guess either mice didn’t notice, didn’t care, liked hot stuff or the pepper plants didn’t have their mojo yet.


37 posted on 04/18/2014 11:53:46 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

I’ll leave them to my wife...she’s younger.


38 posted on 04/18/2014 11:59:00 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Red Badger; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
Thanks Red Badger. This should spice up the ping list. /rimshot

39 posted on 04/18/2014 12:05:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Black Agnes

Thanks for the ping. Very interestign.


40 posted on 04/18/2014 12:39:55 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: blam

I Googled “origin of hot chili peppers” and got photos of Los Angeles. You know, “the city of angels,” under the bridge?


41 posted on 04/18/2014 12:44:51 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Red Badger

Pilgrimage!


42 posted on 04/18/2014 1:55:12 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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To: who knows what evil?
Fiery crop! Had pickled Jolokias before, WOW!
43 posted on 04/18/2014 2:28:05 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Red Badger; SunkenCiv
I guess I had just assumed chilies originated in several places instead of just one. Makes sense that would be Mexico.

But chilies are so central to some other cuisines, like Thai, Chinese (well, some regions) and India it's hard to imagine what their food was like before them.

44 posted on 04/18/2014 2:38:29 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
There was a game show based upon which contestant could eat the hottest food. It was hilarious!

What would be funny is to show those folks when they had to answer nature's call.

They're just as hot comin' out as they were goin' in. :-P

45 posted on 04/18/2014 4:04:03 PM PDT by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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To: colorado tanker

Yeah, and what about those tiny little ears of corn used in Chinese cuisine?!?

:’) It’s hard to imagine Italian cooking without the tomato, without the pepper, and really I’m just hungry for pizza.

Corn (”maize”), the potato, the tomato, the pepper, and certain squash are some of the most important foods in the world, all from the Americas.


46 posted on 04/18/2014 6:51:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
European food must have been really boring before the voyages of discovery. The only widely available seasoning was salt. Pepper was only for the super rich. The onion family would add some flavor. Probably explains why the Europeans so enthusiastically embraced the foods from the New World.

Except the British. They would stubbornly cling to boring, mediocre food for centuries more. :-))

P.S. A really amusing passage from Macaulay just came to mind. As I recall he went on for a page or two about how a really civilized people ate bread, and only dull half savages like the Irish would eat potatoes. No need to ask what he might think of Americans eating mashed potatoes and gravy with our turkey dinners. And turkey? Truly civilized men eat roast beef . . .

47 posted on 04/19/2014 1:24:54 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

As you said, salt was the number one seasoning or condiment, and important also for food preservation, a two birds one stone thing.

Pepper was popular in the Roman Empire, but the trade with India was lost for some time after the muzzies took over the Mideast.

Onions and garlic, and chives, were cultivated back into prehistoric times, apparently. Capers are wild and cultivated throughout Eurasia. Hmm, the wiki-wacky page on onions sez 5000 BC and found alongside dates and figs (remains thereof of course).

Medieval, preColumbian Europeans enjoyed other things that have fallen out of use, such as medlars, and there were other sweet fruits that were used fresh or dried, stuff like mulberries. They ate a wider variety of greens, and some of those have quite a sharp flavor (first thing I’m thinking of is wintercress, which is probably coming up out there, now that we’re about 75 percent sure winter really has gone at last). And unlike us, they ate whatever was available, giving them a theoretically healthier diet.

I’ve heard it said that, the hotter the climate, the hotter the spice, because it has to cover the taste and smell of rotting meat, but I don’t believe that for a second — the Romans had liquamen or garum, which is fermented fish sauce, and while someone must have gotten a bad batch here and there, it wasn’t an epidemic of death — but rotten meat (particularly chicken when it turns) would be, uh, serious.


48 posted on 04/19/2014 2:14:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: colorado tanker

Heaven Is Where:

The French are the chefs
The Italians are the lovers
The British are the police
The Germans are the mechanics
And the Swiss make everything run on time

Hell is Where:

The British are the chefs
The Swiss are the lovers
The French are the mechanics
The Italians make everything run on time
And the Germans are the police


49 posted on 04/19/2014 2:56:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: colorado tanker; Berosus

better version, more like I remember:

Heaven is where the police are British, the lovers French, the mechanics German, the chefs Italian, and it is all organized by the Swiss.

Hell is where the police are German, the lovers Swiss, the mechanics French, the chefs British, and it is all organized by the Italians.


50 posted on 04/19/2014 2:57:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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