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Male chauvinist vexes Crabby, big-time
Yakima Herald Republic ^ | 4-17-14 | Pat Muir

Posted on 04/18/2014 3:58:50 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Dear Crabby,

A recent column of yours attempted to answer some questions posed by an individual identified as “Full of Questions.” One of the questions was “Who is in charge of putting the toilet seat down?” Your rather glib answer was “Whoever put the seat up.”

I’ve put a lot of thought into this, and I think you overlooked a more fundamental question that must be considered, namely: Why is it necessary to put the seat down in the first place?

After all, if one leaves the seat up, the next user can easily enough put the seat down if she or he wishes to use the facility in seat-down mode. On the other hand, if he (and in nearly all cases it will be a he) wishes to use it with the seat up, it will already be up and ready to go, so to speak. It’s easy to see that over the long run it will maximize efficiency to just leave the seat wherever it is and let the next user move it if necessary.

Now, I know some folks (women mostly) will say that a toilet with the seat up is not aesthetically pleasing, and is even a little gross. Come on, people! I’ve seen lots of toilets in seat-down mode that look pretty disgusting, too. The sad fact is that, unless it is cleaned after every use, a toilet can look pretty bad no matter how you maneuver the seat.

Generally speaking, I’m not the kind of person who subscribes to conspiracy theories, but clearly this whole seat-down business is another passive-aggressive attempt by women to demean and control men.

Sincerely,

Male Chauvinist Pig in Yakima

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Society
KEYWORDS: onntsa; toiletseat

1 posted on 04/18/2014 3:58:50 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog
If you own big dogs, you put the seat down and shut the lid.

/johnny

2 posted on 04/18/2014 4:04:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

slurp, slurp, slurp!!


3 posted on 04/18/2014 4:06:31 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

I have never understood that either. There are times when men need to put the seat down and they just... put the seat down.

Likewise, as the writer implies, the best presentation of a toilet is with the cover down, which makes it gender-neutral. Both men AND women must adjust the toilet to their respective needs.


4 posted on 04/18/2014 4:08:11 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: smokingfrog

Any man who has lived with females knows the default setting is seat down. Just a fact of life. A little thing which can help ensure domestic tranquility.


5 posted on 04/18/2014 4:12:11 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (Im)
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To: smokingfrog

The easy answer to this if for the man just not to put the seat up in the first place...


6 posted on 04/18/2014 4:20:15 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: freedumb2003

Personally I just put in a bidet and use it as a urinal...solved the whole toilet see thing because its doesn’t have one..and women can’t complaint because bidets are classy European stuff don’t you know


7 posted on 04/18/2014 4:23:34 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: smokingfrog

If momma ain’t happy, ain’t nobody happy.

Real men put the seat down because they don’t want to be woken from a sound sleep at 2 a.m. by a pregnant woman past her due date who sat into the toilet instead of onto it because they forgot.

It’s just one of those little ways to show you care.


8 posted on 04/18/2014 4:27:07 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: smokingfrog

Everybody...just put the lid down! For the love of all that is holy, put the lid down!!!


9 posted on 04/18/2014 4:28:37 PM PDT by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: smokingfrog

Hey, who’s in charge of putting the seat up? The last person who put it down.


10 posted on 04/18/2014 4:30:40 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: smokingfrog

Considering that when the toilet is flushed, many particles of whatever is in the toilet become airborne as they are splashed out of the bowl, it is more sanitary to put both the seat and the lid down prior to flushing.

However, the best answer is to realize that other people are not going to always do it your way and you should forebear and forgive one another.

To men: women are silly and unreasonable over this. Be courteous and put the seat down.

To women: Realize men are pigs and won’t put the seat down. Stop whining.


11 posted on 04/18/2014 4:31:30 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: smokingfrog

a better question is why would anybody sit down without looking to see if the seat was acceptable first? Personally I leave it with the seat and the lid down every time before I flush because if you flush with the split up that stuff like everywhere in your bathroom it aerosolizes and sparays everbwhere....nasty!

women who make a big deal about a seat being left up are not trying to control the man they’re trying to remove responsibility for their own failure from themselves. It’s another example of a person not wanting to be responsible for the own circumstances of their life.


12 posted on 04/18/2014 4:32:34 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I am the Tea Party bully who took Mitch McConnell's milk money.)
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To: mrs. a

That’s what she said..


13 posted on 04/18/2014 4:32:35 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Jemian
Considering that when the toilet is flushed, many particles of whatever is in the toilet become airborne as they are splashed out of the bowl, it is more sanitary to put both the seat and the lid down prior to flushing.

That's the way I see it.

14 posted on 04/18/2014 4:33:50 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

One of the things this discussion reveals about the sexes:

I have never, ever, had a conversation where a guy gripes about having to raise the toilet seat.


15 posted on 04/18/2014 4:34:37 PM PDT by RedElement
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To: RedElement

I learned a long time ago that you can avoid any conflicts over the toilet seat by peeing off the back porch.


16 posted on 04/18/2014 4:37:58 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: smokingfrog

17 posted on 04/18/2014 4:39:44 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: babygene
The easy answer to this if for the man just not to put the seat up in the first place...

Exactly, if it becomes an annoying issue, then the man can just ignore the whole thing and never adjust the seat again, and just take it as it comes.

18 posted on 04/18/2014 4:42:25 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: RedElement

I have never, ever, had a conversation where a guy gripes about having to raise the toilet seat.
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Well, maybe that’s because guys don’t fall in the toilet by raising the seat.

Trust me, if you got up in the middle of the night and landed in the toilet, you just might have something to say about it.


19 posted on 04/18/2014 4:44:51 PM PDT by kara37
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To: smokingfrog

Practice kung fu. Use foot to put seat up and down.


20 posted on 04/18/2014 4:57:12 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: smokingfrog

Seat up if you value mechanical simplicity. Females dominate the down position and males use both up and down; therefore, the courtesy should favor males.

Seat down if you value women. Sacrifice is the key to masculine dominance and domestic tranquility.


21 posted on 04/18/2014 4:59:00 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: ansel12

” Exactly, if it becomes an annoying issue, then the man can just ignore the whole thing and never adjust the seat again, and just take it as it comes. “

I guess if you cant bulls-eye an 8 inch target and need a 10 you need more range time...

Seriously... My spouse always puts those fancy seat covers on at Christmas time, and the lid just won’t stay up. So... I just leave it down. I’m a pretty good aim even in my sixties.


22 posted on 04/18/2014 5:00:34 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: tophat9000

When I renovate the bathroom off my man room I am going to install a urinal. I don’t know why more houses don’t have them.


23 posted on 04/18/2014 5:02:15 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: babygene

The toilet is unsuitable for male urination anyway, American bathrooms need urinals, and toilets closer to the floor.

I intend to put in a urinal and a squat toilet.


24 posted on 04/18/2014 5:03:35 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: smokingfrog

Women often say they have to use the toilet in the dark at night, so men should always put the lid down.

Only a fool sits down without first checking the seat. Depending on someone else to do what you wont do is lazy.


25 posted on 04/18/2014 5:10:52 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: smokingfrog

Just another step towards forcing men to sit while peeing.


26 posted on 04/18/2014 5:12:40 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: WorkingClassFilth

I’m surprised they haven’t invented a device for the toilet which automatically lowers the seat if it detects a woman in the room.


27 posted on 04/18/2014 5:16:05 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Mister Da
Only a fool sits down without first checking the seat.

Remember the Jack Nicholson quote in "As Good As It Gets."

28 posted on 04/18/2014 5:16:49 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Straight Vermonter

“When I renovate the bathroom off my man room I am going to install a urinal. I don’t know why more houses don’t have them.”

Sure they do, they’re called sinks


29 posted on 04/18/2014 5:29:58 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: dfwgator

No, I don’t remember. You tell me.


30 posted on 04/18/2014 5:34:04 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Valpal1
It’s just one of those little ways to show you care.

If you really care, you'll leave the seat up. She will only make the mistake of sitting in the commode once.

Putting the seat down will deprive her of a valuable life lesson. ALWAYS look before you sit on anything. The ass you save, could be your own.

31 posted on 04/18/2014 5:37:36 PM PDT by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: Alberta's Child

I use the shower. Alot.


32 posted on 04/18/2014 5:39:50 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Straight Vermonter
You know the name man cave or room bugs me..

I think the lib feminist like the “man cave” name

..reinforces the men, primitive, cave-man concept..

I like the when we use to call it a “den”..

a den has the same cave context in the animal world

But in a house, for the man room, call it the den, it doesn't make men sound like troglodytes..

the den is where a man goes to drink single malt, smoke cigars and write deep thoughts on the Internet ;)

my Friday rant / off

33 posted on 04/18/2014 6:14:23 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: smokingfrog

My simple rule: put it back the way I found it.


34 posted on 04/18/2014 6:16:30 PM PDT by upchuck (Support ABLE, the Anybody But Lindsey Effort. Yes, we are the ABLE!!)
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To: tophat9000

You smoke cigars in the house?

You must be single.


35 posted on 04/18/2014 6:20:33 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Unfortunately, peeing into a toilet produces a fine mist that coats everything around. Tests have been done where toothbrushes and other surfaces in the bathroom were covered with urea when a man lived there. When no men were around, there was none. When I pee with shorts on, I can feel it om my legs, so I started peeing sitting (when I was a kid, the taunt was “you have to squat to pee). Also, when you get my age it takes forever to pee.


36 posted on 04/18/2014 7:00:44 PM PDT by TStro (Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.)
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To: tophat9000
You know the name man cave or room bugs me..

Agreed. I think the man cave thing comes from the fact that so many of them are in windowless basements. But I like the term den as well.

37 posted on 04/18/2014 7:21:15 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Stormdog

I learned that when I moved to Minnesota/Wisconsin, the laundry tub in the basement was the urinal during Keggers.


38 posted on 04/18/2014 7:45:57 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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