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Diamond Bar Ranch in NM Seized by US Forest Service
http://misguidedchildren.com/domestic-affairs/2014/04/diamond-bar-ranch-in-nm-seized-by-us-forest-se ^ | April 18, 2014 | Faye Higbee

Posted on 04/19/2014 8:11:07 AM PDT by B4Ranch

Officials say that the Laney’s can redeem their 80 cattle for $40,950

Southwest New Mexico – The Diamond Bar Ranch was acquired by the Laney family in 1986, and its adjacent Laney Cattle Company was allowed to utilize grazing lands since 1883. According to the US Forest Service, however, they are no longer entitled to do so, and the USFS has posted notices along the fence line of their property advising people not to attempt to enter the ranch. Lands are being seized, and the cattle removed, “one way or the other.”

Now they say that the cattle may be redeemed if the Laney’s pay for the costs of rounding up the 80 head of cattle… a hefty $40,950.

Reductions in the herds, loss of appeals, a hard life all because of a fish

Originally, the Laney property was just 115 acres surrounded by around 144,000 acres of public lands for which Mr. Laney paid grazing rights. But after a “study” by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service decided that the lands could not sustain his 1,188 head of cattle, the Forest Service reduced his cattle herd to a meager 300 head.

Kit’s fight for the land and the ranching lifestyle cost him dearly over the years, even to the point of a divorce, as both Kit and Sherry grew exhausted from the battle. They were barred from improvements on the “wilderness” land for several years, which required them to ride out to livestock on horseback rather than hop in a truck. That and the continual stress of appeals, took a toll, though they eventually reconciled.

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TOPICS: Agriculture; History; Society
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; newmexico; ranch
More cattle confiscations by the BLM. Where do they get their authority to act as law enforcement?
1 posted on 04/19/2014 8:11:07 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch

Is this happening to the Laney’s again? I thought all this transpired years ago.


2 posted on 04/19/2014 8:18:11 AM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: B4Ranch
When will these Bureaucrats realize they are AMERICANS and stop this? A paycheck isn't worth it.

I always wondered how the Germans could participate in the slaughter of Jews. I understand now. Government paychecks corrupt the soul.

3 posted on 04/19/2014 8:19:13 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Carthego delenda est

There was the time in 2005 when he went to jail. Now the BLM has come back at him because he didn’t fully surrender his land.


4 posted on 04/19/2014 8:20:48 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch

If memory serves me, that is Forest Service land like the grazing lands in neighboring Arizona. That doesn’t make any difference in Feds’ intent to clear government property of American ranchers, miners and loggers.


5 posted on 04/19/2014 8:21:52 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: B4Ranch

Apparently the leftists want the US to acquire all our edible produce from China & other countries. No more eat local/buy local.


6 posted on 04/19/2014 8:24:00 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: B4Ranch

Sounds like the BLM needs a little more confrontation in their face.


7 posted on 04/19/2014 8:24:06 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: B4Ranch
I would say, ultimately, from the occupier of the White house, with the acquiescence of both political parties. One Party's agreement should be expected. One Party's opposition should be expected. However, since one Party owns the other Party, no one in a position of authority will object.

We, the People, for better or worse, are on our own, My FRiend.

One can like or not like it. One can accept it or reject it. But that is the way it is. One can also learn to deal with it, which is what happened in Nevada. How it will play out elsewhere remains yet to be seen.

8 posted on 04/19/2014 8:33:59 AM PDT by sport
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To: B4Ranch; All
Where do they get their authority to act as law enforcement?
why you asked?...the Gay (DICK)ator; pResident Barrack "Bathhouse" 0'Muslim, sez so;...
Our 'so-called' GOP/e '$cared chicken-$hit' Congre$$ional Ldr$. are; cowering
in their offices...taking bribes from USA CoC "for Immigration Reform"
(opening the gates, for very low paid/poorly educated; displacing American worker;
thereby lowering wages for all...& don't give me the cr@p about labor storages)

9 posted on 04/19/2014 8:34:03 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun. Cattlegate..0'Caligula / 0'Reid? ;-)
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To: B4Ranch

“According to the US Forest Service, however, they are no longer entitled to do so”

According to me the Forest Service is no longer allowed to be in business.....


10 posted on 04/19/2014 8:37:07 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: B4Ranch

UN Agenda 21.


11 posted on 04/19/2014 8:44:37 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yup. Agenda 21, the cover for the collateralization of our country’s assets in trade for foreign countries buying our debt.

The foreign buyers are realizing this land and its mineral and water rights and timber is the only way they’ll ever get their money back.


12 posted on 04/19/2014 8:50:14 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: RginTN

They don’t want us eating anything that does not come from big agra. GMO is good for you as is corporate cattle.


13 posted on 04/19/2014 9:02:45 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: B4Ranch

The environmentalist ‘battle’ here has been going on for decades. Dave Forman, who started Earf First, worked on a ranch in this particular county, Catron County, before the locals figured out what he was up to. The same goes for the Center For Biological Diversity. Peter Galvin and Kierian Suckling were living just outside of Luna ‘studying’ owls, and the local ranchers were more than accomodating to let them do suck before figuring out that the forest would soon be closed to timber harvesting and grazing due to new policy’s put in place (under the Clinton’s) in direct response to the ‘biological study’s’. Kierian and Peter received their very first ‘grant’ from Ted Turner and thus the Center for Biological Diversity was born, though it was called something else back then.

To the Gang Greenes, any logging or grazing here is a damnable offense. They truly would like to see the Gila National Forest closed to all humans. Regarding the ‘endangered’ Gila Trout, the FS will bring in helicopters and remove the fish from the creeks (shocking them) if fire or anything else threatens them. Doing such has cost millions of dollars over the past few decades. The FS even went so far as to literally poison all the headwater feeders of the Gila River, after having first removed the Gila Trout, in an attempt to kill all other species of trout (which the FS itself introduced many decades ago) and all other aquatic life being casualties of the poisoning program.

The current head of the Gila National Forest is a lesbian who allowed pretty much the bulk of the forest to burn down a couple of years ago since it is ‘natural’. There was a period of about 2 weeks in which the initial fire could have been put out. It started on the edge of the Shelley ranch and Mr Shelley called it in after having riden up there on his horse (he and I go to the same church). The lesbian had no intention of putting out the fire, since the plan is to return the forest to its ‘natural’ state. This also includes removing all grazing allotment, stopping all timber harvesting, and closing damn near the whole forest to any motorized traffic, even an ATV to remove harvested game. The lesbian in charge successfully DID close the forest of her former post in CA. Now she is tasked to do the same here.

There is a battle brewing over 14,000 acre water feet in the AZ water settlements act, and the proposals of the Interstate Stream Commission. The gang greens want to water to not be touched, whereas sane people have developed plans to capture the water during flood stages only, to be stored and used as needed.

The main idea here, of which Kit Laney is only one casualty of, is to clearly institute the UN agenda 21. There is no doubt remaining. These people are insane and godless. They embrace anything not of God and absolutely disdain Christians. I know, because I have to deal with them on an almost daily basis. Useful idiots, every last one of them.


14 posted on 04/19/2014 9:08:42 AM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: B4Ranch

Are we to believe that the land is so crappy in New Mexico that it can only support 1 cow per 128 acres? What is it, on big, fricken rock?


15 posted on 04/19/2014 9:12:50 AM PDT by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: RginTN

“Apparently the leftists want the US to acquire all our edible produce from China & other countries. No more eat local/buy local.”

They want the West to be a theme park where all of us hicks work for minimum wage while wearing western costume and serving our betters who are vacation from the east.


16 posted on 04/19/2014 9:16:37 AM PDT by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: Carthego delenda est

It’s been years since I’ve read anything about Catron County. Sorry to hear they are winning. Maybe, just maybe with a little bit of luck we can get our sheriffs to evict the Feds and their minions.


17 posted on 04/19/2014 9:25:05 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: WMarshal

There’s months on end, during the dry late summer and fall, when it would take 500 acres per AUM.


18 posted on 04/19/2014 9:29:45 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch
The Hage v US case makes this settled law.

When will the courts recognize THAT?

Perhaps only when they find BLM agents hanging from trees.

That's right, those guys who go out in BLM trucks all by themselves...often more than 20 miles from the nearest paved road. Even further.

It's gotta suck to be them right now as it's not unreasonable to assume it will be them that pay the bulk of the bill coming due.

19 posted on 04/19/2014 9:48:40 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
The tactics of the US Forest Service and BLM are to pick these old guys off, one at a time. Endless pressure and regs invented on the spot.

These guys can be picked off one at a time too.

20 posted on 04/19/2014 10:02:07 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: B4Ranch

There most certainly are places in NM that require 500 acres/AUM, but the Gila does not fall into that category.

I really don’t think ‘luck’ will have anything to do with keeping the libtard agenda at bay. The Gang Greens have so much financial backing and are relentless. It puts ‘us’ on a constant defensive position. It is the exact same battle we are fighting to save our Republic. Who would have ever thought, that in this country, this very conversation we are having is being recorded for all history, wether or not we use a public forum such as this, or do so in private? Who would have thought that in order to stand up for Bundy, U.S. Citizens had to do such in caged off areas? There are bus stops for the school children in Catron County that have protective ‘cages’ at the bus stops that the children can flee into if the re-introduced Mexican Gray Wolves decide they are hungry.

Fortunately, NM Rep Steve Pearce DOES stand up for us, but he is only one man. Gov Susana is a good woman but she is getting stars in her eyes at the prospect of ‘rising’ onto the national stage (her advisor, Jay, needs to go). It is a battle taking on one rancher, one logging company, one farmer and one mine at a time. I hate to sound cliche, but united we must stand!


21 posted on 04/19/2014 10:04:24 AM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Mariner

Reminds me about the Federal Game Wardens that moved into South Louisiana to stop the over the limit duck hunting. After two of them disappeared never to be found the Feds moved on......

Then there is the crackdown on the pot growing operations in Northern California. After the Feds came in and cracked down on the growers, the cartels set the old growth forests on fire. The scorched earth approach worked to stop the crackdown.....

The moral of the stories are that when faced with the risk of life and property, the individuals tasked with performing the deeds may realize that the outcome can be much worse.....


22 posted on 04/19/2014 10:11:48 AM PDT by Hogblog
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To: Mariner

I’m praying that the testosterone levels of all participants in this matter drop drastically. we don’t need anyone hanging from a tree, at least no yet. I think the sheer number of respondents to the Bundy Ranch exhibited a earth shattering echo across all of America that us patriots are ready, willing and able to defend our liberty and property rights against all corrupt politicians who are using federal agencies for personal gain.


23 posted on 04/19/2014 10:35:20 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Carthego delenda est

The Center For Biological Diversity receives federal grants to pursue their goals. They get tax dollars to sue on behalf of the CBD! The Republicans know all about it and don’t do squat about it.

United we must stand if we want to win.


24 posted on 04/19/2014 10:43:27 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Hogblog
Reminds me about the Federal Game Wardens that moved into South Louisiana to stop the over the limit duck hunting. After two of them disappeared never to be found the Feds moved on......

Maybe the same story but one was found hanging in a tree , gutted.

25 posted on 04/19/2014 10:52:48 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: B4Ranch

“The Center For Biological Diversity receives federal grants to pursue their goals.”

Whoa!!! So our tax dollars are used by CBD to sue our government, which in turn our tax dollars are used for the proceedings? Do you have documentation links?

I agree with your lowering of “testosterone” comment...


26 posted on 04/19/2014 11:45:45 AM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Hogblog

“After two of them disappeared never to be found the Feds moved on......”

Plumb dangerous sneaking around a swamp.


27 posted on 04/19/2014 11:58:28 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: piroque

I could see that happening sneaking around in the forest. Not wearing blaze orange. Getting misstook for a deer.


28 posted on 04/19/2014 12:12:40 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve
Down in the BASIN it's called sleeping with the fishes
29 posted on 04/19/2014 12:20:42 PM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: piroque

I know in many parts of the country poaching is almost a lifestyle. I would not put it on the same footing as rancher’s running their cattle on land where they have water and usage rights.

But back to the point, these Feds are going to be taking a closer look at their “risk assessment” the next time they go after a rancher. I am glad that Bundy got the support, and was not treated like the usual “lone, old crazy guy that refused to pay his fee...”


30 posted on 04/19/2014 12:32:02 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Carthego delenda est

If you are taking heart meds then by all means ignore this post. If you are prone to having fits of anger that you cannot control then by all means ignore this post. If you enjoy speaking with your legislators then please continue reading.

Google The Center For Biological Diversity receives federal grants

and start reading. Try to control your dismay.


31 posted on 04/19/2014 12:57:30 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch

Yes they use our tax dollars to fund their craziness to put ranchers and farmers out of business.


32 posted on 04/19/2014 1:12:23 PM PDT by Tammy8
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To: B4Ranch

I’ve actually had more than one liberal tell me the IRS investigation and refusing C-4 status to TEA party groups was good as they were “Right-wing” and C-4 groups are not supposed to be political. Well isn’t this group (CFBD), SPLC, and a host of other environmental and “civil rights” groups “Left-wing” and extremely political?

I then ask them, “So when (or if) a Republican ever gets in office, we can revoke all the Leftist groups C-4 status?”

The howls are heard for miles!

In any case we should. I think Congress should at least cut all funding. Doesn’t Boehner realize that CFBD will use it’s funds to defeat Republicans that give him his majority in the first place? Does he really mean to fund his foes?


33 posted on 04/19/2014 3:48:05 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: B4Ranch

It’s funny how when illegal immigrants, drug runners, and scum bags engaged in human trafficking, trash our parks, lakes, and forests along the border......environmental concerns seem to vanish!!!!


34 posted on 04/19/2014 4:06:25 PM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: 21twelve
I am glad that Bundy got the support, and was not treated like the usual “lone, old crazy guy that refused to pay his fee...”

What gets me about this whole deal is , The land in question is OPEN RANGE ,that means that if the government doesn't want the cattle on it they have to put up fences to keep the cattle out . Not send JBT with guns.


35 posted on 04/19/2014 4:50:02 PM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks B4Ranch.


36 posted on 04/19/2014 6:31:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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37 posted on 04/19/2014 9:30:43 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: FatherofFive

Question! I would like to know how many people in official capacity from bottom to top i.e. at city, county, states, and federal level who wear badges and arms are there in the USA. I tend to think the total number is way beyond what ordinary citizens are led to believe or talked about. Leave out the state and national guard personnel unless such also serve as regular so called law enforcement people. Is there info on such numbers?


38 posted on 04/19/2014 9:43:40 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: B4Ranch; Diogenes; C. Edmund Wright; DaxtonBrown; Texas Fossil; Nachum; Kaslin; kristinn; All

* The EPA assigns one million acres to previous owners in Wyoming.

* The BLM Rustles cattle in Nevada.

* Now the USFS Rustles Cattle in New Mexico.

What will Speaker Boehner do now to punish these lawless Federal Bureaus?

BTW, have y’all noticed that Obama is very effectively using these lawless events by his Bureaus to distract from the NSA, Benghazi, IRS and Obamacare Scandals?


39 posted on 04/19/2014 9:46:00 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: B4Ranch
"(Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.) "

Same thing with Laetrile and Baking Soda.

We get our 35% food grade peroxide on line from a girl named Celeste.

40 posted on 04/20/2014 4:25:26 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: Graewoulf
BTW, have y’all noticed that Obama is very effectively using these lawless events by his Bureaus to distract from the NSA, Benghazi, IRS and Obamacare Scandals?

I don't see it that way. They are all part of the same issue, the same big issue: a government that is too big, too corrupt, too incompetent, too intrusive - and people are getting sick of it.

41 posted on 04/20/2014 4:40:38 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Your “disgust” paintbrush is to broad.
What needs be done,
As you and I know,
Is Special Prosecute each Scandal,
All in a row.


42 posted on 04/20/2014 7:39:37 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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