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The Waco siege ended on this day 21 years ago, leaving 79 dead
The Irish Journal ^ | 04/19/2014 | staff

Posted on 04/19/2014 8:31:45 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen

THE SIEGE OF the Waco compound belonging to the religious group Branch Davidians by the US military and police took place between 28 February and 19 April 1993. The Branch Davidians was a sect that separated from the Seventh-day Adventist Church in 1955 and were led by David Koresh. In the run up to the siege, a local newspaper had printed a series of stories about the cult’s leader Koresh, stating that he had physically abused children in the compound and had committed statutory rape by taking multiple underage brides. Koresh, an advocate for polygamy was married to several women from the cult’s community. It was also believed that the cult was stockpiling weapons.

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1 posted on 04/19/2014 8:31:45 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen
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To: Kid Shelleen
Shot as the tried to escape the flames.

The FLIR Project

2 posted on 04/19/2014 8:36:44 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I just don’t know why everyone had to follow David Koresh. I mean they acted like he was the Son of God or something. Cults are not particularly good to belong to especially the ones that make you lose contact with family and friends.


3 posted on 04/19/2014 8:37:44 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: napscoordinator

That certainly explains why the feral government murdered them.


4 posted on 04/19/2014 8:38:42 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Waco was my epiphany.


5 posted on 04/19/2014 8:38:44 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Mine too.


6 posted on 04/19/2014 8:40:51 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

It’s ok if you can get away with it. See Bengazi.


7 posted on 04/19/2014 8:42:36 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: skeeter

It was my ‘JFK where where you’ moment. I was eating lunch with my boss with the radio on.

I didn’t know Holder was involved until fairly recently.


8 posted on 04/19/2014 8:42:46 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I think it could have easily stopped if David Koresh would have talked with authorities. I don’t remember much of the story, but communication is a good thing for the living. Not so much for the dead.


9 posted on 04/19/2014 8:43:21 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: napscoordinator

If you read the accounts, court testimony, etc. you would see how wrong you are.


10 posted on 04/19/2014 8:45:08 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Kid Shelleen

Terrible, terrible....but we made it worse. Sooner or later, they would have run out of supplies.


11 posted on 04/19/2014 8:45:30 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I could not bear to watch the video past the point where one our our military’s TANKS is shown “engaging” the structure of the compound.

A more egregious outlandish act against Americans would be hard to imagine.


12 posted on 04/19/2014 8:47:21 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: MeshugeMikey
A more egregious outlandish act against Americans would be hard to imagine.

You ain't seen nothing yet.

13 posted on 04/19/2014 8:49:58 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

at present....we have millions with camera phones and internet connections...willing to record any and all flashpoints...

how long this will be the case remains to be seen.


14 posted on 04/19/2014 8:53:00 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: napscoordinator

“I think it could have easily stopped if David Koresh would have talked with authorities.”

He did. He invited the Sheriff in just days before who went and spoke with David. What more do you want? How much are we supposed to beg our government not to attack us?

This was all over a $200 tax stamp for weapons. $200 bucks and we’re supposed to beg not to be attacked?


15 posted on 04/19/2014 8:53:21 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: skeeter
Waco was my epiphany.

Mine as well...

Especially after the Congressional hearing that whitewashed the entire corrupt evil mass murder done by the Clinton administration...

16 posted on 04/19/2014 8:54:04 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: skeeter

Wrong? All I said is communication is a good thing. Did they try to talk with authorities? I am not going to rehash this because I don’t have that much interest in the story. The only thing I believe is that cults tend to be a bad place and that communication is important for all sides.


17 posted on 04/19/2014 8:54:22 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: CodeToad

This was all over a $200 tax stamp for weapons.

Did they feel they shouldn’t have paid the 200 dollars? I mean it was Texas so I am sure that the tax was probably as conservative as possible.


18 posted on 04/19/2014 8:55:50 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: CodeToad

I have no idea why this idiot is allowed to stay.


20 posted on 04/19/2014 8:58:26 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: napscoordinator
No interest in your government killing 80 mostly innocent people.

OK.

21 posted on 04/19/2014 8:59:06 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: napscoordinator
Here, jackass, try reading the constitution:

Amendment VIII (1791)
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

22 posted on 04/19/2014 8:59:35 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: napscoordinator
I think it could have easily stopped if David Koresh would have talked with authorities.

The ATF came in to kill people. There was no reason to conduct an armed assault. They could have detained him in town on almost any day.

The Branch Davidians had a couple of AR-15 autosears for which they had not bought the $200 tax stamps.

79 people were murdered over a few hundred dollars of unpaid taxes.

23 posted on 04/19/2014 9:00:05 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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To: txhurl

For some reason Jim keeps these Kali liberals around.


24 posted on 04/19/2014 9:00:09 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: CodeToad

No. No need. They suffered the consequences of being stupid and stubborn. 200 dollars for his life. I would not risk my life and the lives of others over 200 dollars. My gosh with 58 people living in that cult, they each give 4 bucks and they would still be living in their commune. Sorry but that is just dumb.


25 posted on 04/19/2014 9:03:35 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: CodeToad

‘Freepers’ like this make me want to write my own front-end to FR to include an ‘ignore’ button.


26 posted on 04/19/2014 9:03:38 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: napscoordinator

Boy

You don’t keep up well


27 posted on 04/19/2014 9:05:39 AM PDT by wardaddy (america was lost about the time black thugs appropriated cafe bikes as social status)
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To: txhurl
"I didn’t know Holder was involved until fairly recently."

Is there good proof holder was involved in the Waco massacre?

30 posted on 04/19/2014 9:08:32 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: napscoordinator
No. No need. They suffered the consequences of being stupid and stubborn. 200 dollars for his life. I would not risk my life and the lives of others over 200 dollars. My gosh with 58 people living in that cult, they each give 4 bucks and they would still be living in their commune. Sorry but that is just dumb.

Wow...just wow...

I know you are not that stupid or ignorant...

Stop trolling...

31 posted on 04/19/2014 9:09:14 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: napscoordinator

They could of picked him up in town, alone, easily.

They chose not to, they instead chose to do this.


32 posted on 04/19/2014 9:09:39 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: CodeToad

Not just kali libs

Think how long south bashers last till they finally step on their own willies in from of someone with zot power over another topic

Its not my call obviously

But if they hate Dixie here...they are 99% chance a lib on other important matters

The poster in question here is just ignorant


33 posted on 04/19/2014 9:09:40 AM PDT by wardaddy (america was lost about the time black thugs appropriated cafe bikes as social status)
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To: wardaddy

“But if they hate Dixie here...they are 99% chance a lib on other important matters”

Dead on. Only a liberal hates half this country then claims to be “inclusive”, “tolerant”, and “understanding”.

I find anyone hating the south to be a liberal and that judgment has never been wrong.


34 posted on 04/19/2014 9:11:51 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine; Liz

Is there good proof holder was involved in the Waco massacre?


Liz, you have this on file (of course you do :)?

It’s in a recent thread on FR but I don’t think it’s in the title.


35 posted on 04/19/2014 9:13:13 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: txhurl
Jamie Gorelick was the deputy AG during that period under Janet Reno. Holder replaced Gorelick. That doesn't mean Holder wasn't involved, but I haven't found proof.

I'm still pissed that Dick Rogers wasn't sent to prison, preferably for life in general population.

36 posted on 04/19/2014 9:13:38 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: napscoordinator

“I am not going to rehash this because I don’t have that much interest in the story.”

Are you serious? I’m not even American and this concerns me greatly. I remember being 17 years old watching this on tv, and thinking even then, when are the heroes going to show up. I couldn’t believe the government did this to it’s own people, in AMERICA! It’s supposed to be the home of the free and the home of the brave!

I can’t believe you’d say that, that’s not an American thing to say.


37 posted on 04/19/2014 9:14:48 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Kid Shelleen
Koresh, an advocate for polygamy was married to several women from the cult’s community. It was also believed that the cult was stockpiling weapons.

The government has a permanent solution for that. What can they do for you?™

38 posted on 04/19/2014 9:16:55 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: napscoordinator

Proper law enforcement would have left the SWAT team at home and arrested him on his jog. They wanted to wave their dicks out and be glory hounds, and became babykillers in the process. Too bad Dick Rogers wasn’t offed in the raid.


39 posted on 04/19/2014 9:18:55 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Epic govt fail. ATF could’ve got Koresh anytime he left that compound.

With a cult like Koresh’s govt agents should know better than going in the compound with guns ready. Just stupid!


40 posted on 04/19/2014 9:19:49 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: napscoordinator

Naps, sometimes communication is not a good thing. I think you need to digress. JMO


41 posted on 04/19/2014 9:21:23 AM PDT by Know et al (No one has ever choked to death on a raw oyster.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Benghazi and Waco share similarities - betrayal, weapons fire pouring into a burning building, liberals who can’t see a problem...


42 posted on 04/19/2014 9:22:06 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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“.. and arrested him on his jog”.

If I remember correctly, Darren, didn’t Koresh leave the compound to go shopping in town quite frequently? I remember that bit being discussed at the time. My question was if they wanted to arrest him.. why not wait till he left the compound?


43 posted on 04/19/2014 9:23:48 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Talisker

And power-hungry ugly lesbians.


44 posted on 04/19/2014 9:24:14 AM PDT by txhurl
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45 posted on 04/19/2014 9:24:44 AM PDT by potlatch ("Dream as if you'll live forever...Live as if you'll die today")
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To: napscoordinator
I think it could have easily stopped if David Koresh would have talked with authorities. I don’t remember much of the story, but communication is a good thing for the living. Not so much for the dead.

Sorry, but that has no basis in fact whatsoever. These folks were no danger to anyone else. If they'd wanted to arrest David Koresh, they could have done so the Sunday previous to the initial raid, when he was at the same gun range as the ATF. The local sheriff is on record as saying that all they'd had to to was to have him call Mr. Koresh and he'd come to his office. Everything, from the very beginning was a complete abuse of government power from the very beginning, that ultimately resulted in the murder of over 90 people (the headline is wrong. They apparently left out the 17 children killed by the CS gas that was pumped in to the building to act as an accelorant.

These people had no reason whatsoever to think, after the initial raid that killed and wounded several of them that they would be treated like human beings by Fedzilla. They were obviously correct in that assumption.

46 posted on 04/19/2014 9:43:35 AM PDT by zeugma (Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened - Dr. Seuss (I'll see you again someday Hope))
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To: CodeToad
This was all over a $200 tax stamp for weapons. $200 bucks and we’re supposed to beg not to be attacked?

This, in itself makes no sense, as they had at least one, possibly two people there who were class-3 dealers.

47 posted on 04/19/2014 9:44:55 AM PDT by zeugma (Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened - Dr. Seuss (I'll see you again someday Hope))
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To: momtothree
They did not want to arrest him. They want to kill him and everyone including children in the compound. They were reports of unarmed women and children being shot down as they fled the flames.

That,[get to shoot down unarmed children, women, and men] in my opinion was what the BLM goons thought they were going to get to do when they went to Bundy' land in Nevada. Once they saw that it was not going to be as easy as they were led to believe it would be, all of a sudden, the thought of watching people's head explode through a telescopic sight lens lost its appeal to them.

48 posted on 04/19/2014 9:48:43 AM PDT by sport
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To: potlatch

Carol Moore’s collection of Waco information was outstanding back in the day. Somewhere around here, I have an archive of every single article published by the Dallas Morning News during the siege and murder of those people.


49 posted on 04/19/2014 9:48:47 AM PDT by zeugma (Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened - Dr. Seuss (I'll see you again someday Hope))
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To: txhurl
At the time of the massacre, Holder was a Clinton foot-soldier---then-Deputy Attorney General to befuddled AG Auntie Janet.

Some reports say Holder aided and abetted the Clinton/Reno Waco cover up.

When then-US Attorney, James W. Blagg, dared to publicly question the Department of Justice cover-up of the Waco/Branch Dividian episode, he was personally removed from the investigation by Holder.

50 posted on 04/19/2014 9:52:33 AM PDT by Liz
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