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LonePalm | 4/18/2014 | LonePalm

Posted on 04/19/2014 9:48:57 AM PDT by LonePalm

I am trying to find the name of a Science Fiction story I read thirty to forty years ago.

The plot line revolves around a former Mercenary stranded on a newly settled planet. The leaders of the planet have decided that they have about a hundred years to get their population up to a level that will allow them to fend off others. The solution is to pair post pubescent women with slightly older men and breed as rapidly as possible while building the infrastructure necessary for a society.

I seem to remember that the main item of value on the planet was a crab whose carapace was a natural semi-conductor. I want to use the idea in my book and don't wish to tread on anyone else's work without permission.

I already have Larry Niven's very kind permission to use his Kzinti in my story as long as I keep them 'off stage'.


TOPICS: Books/Literature
KEYWORDS: sciencefiction
If anyone can provide the title of the story and author I would be much obliged. A publication source would also be helpful.

Extensive Google searches have not returned anything useful.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

1 posted on 04/19/2014 9:48:58 AM PDT by LonePalm
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To: LonePalm

Sounds like an area John Ringo wrote about.


2 posted on 04/19/2014 9:51:30 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: LonePalm

30 years ago?
Keith Laumer, Jerry Pournelle, possibly an episode in the BOLOS series?.


3 posted on 04/19/2014 9:53:05 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: LonePalm
The solution is to pair post pubescent women with slightly older men and breed as rapidly as possible while building the infrastructure necessary for a society.

sounds like Rick Shelly, "Sylph" or "The Sylph", in Analog.

4 posted on 04/19/2014 9:53:52 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("He will swallow up death forever")
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To: Lee N. Field
Got your March 1989 Analog, right here.
5 posted on 04/19/2014 9:56:02 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("He will swallow up death forever")
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To: LonePalm

Do I get a piece of the action?


6 posted on 04/19/2014 9:59:51 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: LonePalm
I know this isn't the one but I remember reading a science fiction story that talked about how Earth got overcrowded and the only solution was to keep building taller and taller skyscrapers.

Eventually it got to the point where only the underclasses lived on the bottom of the Earth and they would get stuck doing all the dirty work and whatnot. Meanwhile, hundreds of stories off the ground, the "elite" would live in super-luxury and they would spend their entire lifetimes living in the upper reaches of the skyscrapers - all connected by magnetic trains that would take you from city to city on tracks that were thousands of feet off the ground.

Anyway, the storyline is that some of these privileged people decided to band together and "explore" the lower levels of their skyscraper city. You see, most of these people have never been beneath say the 500th floor level, and they saw themselves as adventurers with a goal to reach the actual ground level of Earth (which existed only in their imaginations). The ordeal these people went through to reach the ground was pretty incredible. They had to evade security patrols and roving gangs of thugs and as they descended to the lower levels, well, things got more and more dangerous for them.

Eventually they made it to the bottom (some of them were killed or were captured along the way) and they had to go through some really bizarre stuff to get to the outside world. But when they finally were able to put their feet on the actual earth and see flowers, trees and bugs for the first time, it was like they journeyed to a totally different planet.

Really cool story. I read it as a library book when I was about 12 and was never able to find that story again. Have no idea who wrote it or even what the title was.

7 posted on 04/19/2014 10:11:07 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: LonePalm

If the right people like Lucasfilms were thinking they would do a mega series of either BOLOS or The Man/Kzin Wars.


8 posted on 04/19/2014 10:13:48 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: LonePalm

What is “offstage”?


9 posted on 04/19/2014 10:14:02 AM PDT by winodog
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To: SamAdams76
I vaguely remember that one.

I want to say it was Robert Silverberg.

Not sure though.

10 posted on 04/19/2014 10:27:57 AM PDT by DarthFuzball ("Life is full of little surprises." - Pandora)
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To: LonePalm
...pair post pubescent women with slightly older men and breed as rapidly as possible...

Hmm... How much older? Would 56 be too old? If not, I am available.

11 posted on 04/19/2014 10:42:05 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: LonePalm
Good afternoon.

The solution is to pair post pubescent women with slightly older men and breed as rapidly as possible while building the infrastructure necessary for a society.

I wish I could comment, but the First lady reads my posts.

5.56mm

12 posted on 04/19/2014 10:44:26 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: SamAdams76
I know this isn't the one but I remember reading a science fiction story that talked about how Earth got overcrowded and the only solution was to keep building taller and taller skyscrapers.

The novel was by Robert Silverberg. I forget the title. People in the arcologies reproduced freely. People in the agricultural lands that fed the arcologies had not-nice ways of limiting population (IRRC, YMMV).

13 posted on 04/19/2014 10:46:11 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("He will swallow up death forever")
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To: SamAdams76
Last week I watched Matt Damon's movie Elysium. It is basically a story of the privileged leaving Earth because it had become so toxic, so they had built a gigantic space station type modernistic facility for themselves.

Even though it takes place about 150 years in the future, I was surprised at how the Hollywood Libs portrayed the land of the unprivileged. They lived in squaller, had little to no health care facilities [apparently Obamacare wasn't around by then], few year 2150 modern conveniences, etc.

When the main character was on Earth, his city (Los Angeles) seemed to be a new azland resembled many across-the-border towns of today. Even half the dialog was screen captioned [Spanish to English].

My impression was: this is what we will see in 150 years if Congress continues to push through more amnesties. Of course, that was not the intended message the movie was wanting to make.

Otherwise, the movie was so-so. Lots of CGI, lots of things blowing up, etc.
14 posted on 04/19/2014 10:52:36 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: winodog
"Off stage" means that you can not have a character present while a discussion is taking place. This means that my characters can talk about the Kzinti but I can not have a Kzinti as an active character in the book.

In the play "Waiting for Godot" Godot is talked about but never shows up 'on stage'.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

15 posted on 04/19/2014 10:52:58 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: SamAdams76

The story you just described was made into an episode of Star Trek.

There’s some history about the story development at this site -

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708456/

The original story was written by KGF Vissers.


16 posted on 04/19/2014 10:55:40 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: SamAdams76
The ordeal these people went through to reach the ground was pretty incredible. They had to evade security patrols and roving gangs of thugs and as they descended to the lower levels, well, things got more and more dangerous for them.

Hmmm...sounds like a typical day in Baltimore.
17 posted on 04/19/2014 11:02:03 AM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Lee N. Field
Thanks but unfortunately I can not find a synopsis of the story to know if it is the right one.

The good news is that I probably have that issue of Analog in a box somewhere in the garage.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

18 posted on 04/19/2014 11:07:46 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: shibumi
Thanks but that is not the one.

I know that episode and it is nothing like the story I am looking for.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

19 posted on 04/19/2014 11:09:23 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: LonePalm

That’s because I was responding to someone else.


20 posted on 04/19/2014 11:11:20 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: LonePalm
The solution is to pair post pubescent women with slightly older men and breed as rapidly as possible while building the infrastructure necessary for a society.

I saw the movie but I can't remember the name. It's over in the porn aisle........

21 posted on 04/19/2014 11:11:22 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Under Reagan spring always arrived on time.....)
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To: LonePalm; winodog

Also, usually, your story can’t change cannon of the milieu...


22 posted on 04/19/2014 11:12:09 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: LonePalm; winodog

err I mean canon


23 posted on 04/19/2014 11:15:02 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: shibumi

Interesting. That’s not quite the story I remember but that Trek episode might have been based off what I had read.


24 posted on 04/19/2014 11:15:15 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Spartan302

I’d rather they did John Ringo’s “Troy” series. Free-market solutions save Earth, brave military, etc. .. Plus, in one scene, the hero sasses Obama IN THE WHITE HOUSE. . .


25 posted on 04/19/2014 11:17:04 AM PDT by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: SamAdams76
Thank you but that is not the story.

This is NOT set on Earth but on a newly settled and basically empty planet. Travel between the stars apparently takes many years as they don't expect to be contacted again for several decades at the earliest.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

26 posted on 04/19/2014 11:18:33 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Spartan302
Thanks but it is not a BOLOS book.

As I remember the former mercenary is separated from his unit and can not return as his having sex, married or not, with a person under 18 would earn him the death sentence. The fact that there is no way for him to return makes it easier.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

27 posted on 04/19/2014 11:25:00 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Alas Babylon!

I’m not certain as to whether this is a real or imagined “memory”...:)


28 posted on 04/19/2014 11:46:10 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Delta Dawn

“The ordeal these people went through to reach the ground was pretty incredible. They had to evade security patrols and roving gangs of thugs and as they descended to the lower levels, well, things got more and more dangerous for them.

Hmmm...sounds like a typical day in Baltimore.”

********************************************************************

Definitely resembles a day trip I took with my kids to Druid Hill Park and the Zoo. Lived and learned.


29 posted on 04/19/2014 11:56:54 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: LonePalm

i don’t recall any specific story but H Beam Piper wrote numerous stories about settlement and the difficulties it might encounter. Could be in his body of work.


30 posted on 04/19/2014 12:04:11 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen
No, I am intimately familiar with Piper's work. My first thought on seeing the Ewoks in Return of the Jedi was that they had plagiarized Piper's Little Fuzzy down to their clothing, spears, and sound.

I still think that they were the basis for the Ewoks. Given the time period in which the scripts were written, I don't see how Lucas could have been ignorant of Piper's work.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

31 posted on 04/19/2014 12:17:02 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: LonePalm

Sounds familiar, but I can’t remember. Sounds like Gordon R. Dickson or David Drake...


32 posted on 04/19/2014 1:11:10 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: LonePalm
Thanks but unfortunately I can not find a synopsis of the story to know if it is the right one.

The good news is that I probably have that issue of Analog in a box somewhere in the garage.

I strongly suspect this is the one you're looking for.

What I recollect of the plot is: military incursion fails, survivors are absorbed by the colony. The colony is young and relatively small. Huge families are encouraged, women marry when very young. Protagonist is a survivor of the initial military expedition. He's given a farm, and paired with a girl of, I think, 13. He has some misgivings but eventually kind of goes with the flow. Military off-worlders try again. The colonists, warned by the surviving invaders, successfully resist.

The story was controversial at the time, generating a stream of letters in the months following publication.

33 posted on 04/19/2014 2:05:10 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("He will swallow up death forever")
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To: Lee N. Field
The novel was by Robert Silverberg. I forget the title. People in the arcologies reproduced freely. People in the agricultural lands that fed the arcologies had not-nice ways of limiting population (IRRC, YMMV).

Robert Silverberg, "The World Inside"

34 posted on 04/19/2014 3:42:12 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("He will swallow up death forever")
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To: Lee N. Field
OK, That means that I will spend Sunday afternoon digging through boxes in the garage.

Thanks. That seems to fit the bill better than any other answers so far.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

35 posted on 04/19/2014 6:35:21 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: LonePalm

Sounds like Beyond the Stars by Ray Cummings.

The new planet was named Kalima, IIRC.


36 posted on 04/19/2014 7:46:32 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
Thanks but that one was written in 2008.

I did put it in my wish list on Amazon.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

37 posted on 04/19/2014 9:19:35 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: LonePalm

No. The book I’m thinking of is 1960’s era.


38 posted on 04/19/2014 10:43:30 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: LonePalm
Beyond the Stars
39 posted on 04/20/2014 10:02:37 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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