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Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter Dead
Daily Beast ^ | April 20, 2014

Posted on 04/20/2014 8:01:56 AM PDT by SMGFan

Rubin “Hurricane” Carter, the boxer who infamously served 19 years in jail after he was wrongly convicted for a triple murder, passed away Sunday in Toronto at the age of 76. Immortalized in a Bob Dylan song and a 1999 feature film, Carter was jailed in 1966 for a fatal shooting at a bar in New Jersey. Although he and his acquaintance John Artis passed a lie detector test and professed their innocence, the all-white jury convicted them. After multiple legal efforts, in 1985 a federal judge ruled that the convictions of Carter and Artis were based "upon an appeal to racism rather than reason and concealment rather than disclosure.” Once freed, Carter began a new life in Canada and devoted himself to helping others who were wrongly convicted.


TOPICS: History; Society; Sports
KEYWORDS: bobdylan; boxing; democratwaronwomen; hurricanecarter; lovemeimaliberal; radicalchic; rubincarter; rubinhurricanecarter; usefulidiots

1 posted on 04/20/2014 8:01:56 AM PDT by SMGFan
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To: SMGFan

2 posted on 04/20/2014 8:07:50 AM PDT by deport
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To: SMGFan

Don’t know the story. For that I have a question: How bad was his rap sheet? If it was his first and only incident then indeed, justice did not prevail. But if like too many others, he kept getting into trouble beforehand I say ‘you win some, you lose some.’ There’s too much power in victimization.


3 posted on 04/20/2014 8:08:09 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: SMGFan

I always think of Wooderson entering the Emporium [Dazed and Confused] whenever I see his name.


4 posted on 04/20/2014 8:11:38 AM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: SMGFan
Was it ever reliably shown that he was wrongly convicted or is it simply that some,including that judge,believe there was insufficient evidence..."beyond a reasonable doubt"...that he was guilty.That is...was there compelling evidence that he was in Cleveland...or in prison...or in church (with many unbiased witnesses to his presence there)...or in the hospital...when the murders happened? Or are there reliable accounts of one or more of the jurors saying "let's get that n*gger"? If any of those things are true then it's easy to see how he might have been...or how he was *clearly*...innocent.

Otherwise,I skeptical.

5 posted on 04/20/2014 8:13:32 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

From what I remember he probably did do it.


6 posted on 04/20/2014 8:14:13 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: FlJoePa

One of my favorites...


7 posted on 04/20/2014 8:15:07 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: SMGFan

Here’s the song by Bob:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGMSfiH850o


8 posted on 04/20/2014 8:15:37 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: SMGFan

Must read.

http://www.martinlutherking.org/hurricane1.html


9 posted on 04/20/2014 8:19:10 AM PDT by Kenny500c
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To: SMGFan
Immortalized in a Bob Dylan song

William Zanzinger killed poor Hattie Carroll...

10 posted on 04/20/2014 8:19:15 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: SMGFan
Dylan wrote a great song, but the real life coda was disappointing.

From Wikipedia: According to Carolyn Kelley, a 61-year-old from Newark working as a bail bondswoman in 1975, she was asked to get involved in the effort to win a new trial for Mr. Carter. She devoted more than a year to raising funds for Mr. Carter. Mr. Carter's appeal was upheld. In March 1976, Mr. Carter was released on bail to await a new trial. A few weeks later, Mrs. Kelly says the boxer beat her into unconsciousness in his hotel room during a meeting she sought with him over affairs relating to her involvement with his cause. Rumors of the beating got out. Finally, Chuck Stone, a columnist for the Philadelphia Daily News, broke the story of the alleged beating in a front-page article. After Mr. Stone's column ran, the alleged beating became a national story. Mr. Carter's celebrity support melted away."

11 posted on 04/20/2014 8:19:53 AM PDT by Reo (the 4th Estate is a 5th Column)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
How bad was his rap sheet?

He was no angel, that's for sure.

12 posted on 04/20/2014 8:19:58 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Gay State Conservative
Was it ever reliably shown that he was wrongly convicted ...
Not according to ... Top 10 Myths about Rubin Hurricane Carter ... "The Movie isn't the true story. The Song isn't the true story. 'Hurricane' Carter hasn't told you the truth."
13 posted on 04/20/2014 8:20:09 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I checked his story out when the movie was released - it looked to me like he probably was guilty.


14 posted on 04/20/2014 8:23:26 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: SMGFan

http://members.shaw.ca/cartermyths/


15 posted on 04/20/2014 8:24:26 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: MUDDOG
William Zanzinger killed poor Hattie Carroll...

I believe Dylan took extreme liberties with that story also.

I like Bob a lot, but he liked to go for the emotional response, as an artist tends to do. He's not historian.

16 posted on 04/20/2014 8:34:41 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

He said he got a lot of his political info back then from his girlfriend Suze Rotolo.


17 posted on 04/20/2014 8:36:26 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: SMGFan

Well the whole episode did result in one of the greatest Bob Dylan songs being written. Hopefully Bob shared some royalties with Hurricane after he got out of prison.


18 posted on 04/20/2014 8:37:20 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: MUDDOG

Yeah. And Rotolo was a complete apologist for Castro and other collectivist nonsense. She never wised up.


19 posted on 04/20/2014 8:39:27 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

Speaking of Dylan protest songs of the justice system, I really liked Fairport Convention’s cover of “Percy’s Song.”


20 posted on 04/20/2014 8:44:41 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Carter was guilty as hell, convicted twice by juries who heard the evidence. He was released by a judge based on a song by Bob Dylan.


21 posted on 04/20/2014 8:50:02 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: SMGFan

From what i heard his story is bullshitte. If you watch the fight he claims to have won, he didn’t.


22 posted on 04/20/2014 8:57:49 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

That was a time when many black men like Carter were supposedly railroaded into jail. At least many white libs like Dylan swallowed those stories. I read Carter’s ghostwritten bio, which contained a number of stories of which I was extremely skeptical as to their veracity. I don’t know for sure if he did the crime he was put in prison for or not, but he was a violent person in and out of the ring.


23 posted on 04/20/2014 8:59:09 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

HOAX:

http://www.stand-deliver.com/syndicated/2000/000217.asp


24 posted on 04/20/2014 9:23:12 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

There was no mention of the four people who were murdered in that Paterson bar 34 years ago. No mention of the fact that two juries found him guilty. Fact is Carter was never “exonerated.” Rather he was let out of prison in 1985 because a federal judge found that there had been “procedural errors” in the second trial. Despite eyewitnesses who tied Carter to the murder, as well as tons of other solid evidence, the prosecutors in Passaic County decided not to try the case a third time.

All this was ignored by Oprah and in the new movie. Just a tribute to Hurricane Carter. Like Denzel, Oprah owes the families of Carter’s victims (not to mention her loyal audience) an apology.


25 posted on 04/20/2014 9:25:06 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: SMGFan

RIP.


26 posted on 04/20/2014 9:51:15 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Despite eyewitnesses who tied Carter to the murder, as well as tons of other solid evidence

I don't know the details, but according to Wikipedia:

"Carter was driving a white Dodge, matching the description of the car as white,and police stopped it and brought Carter and another occupant, John Artis, to the scene about 31 minutes after the incident. There was little physical evidence; police took no fingerprints at the crime scene, and lacked the facilities to test Carter and Artis for gunshot residue. None of the eyewitnesses identified Carter or Artis as the shooters. Carter, in fact, was brought to the hospital the evening of the shooting at approximately 4 a.m., and victim Willie Marins identified Carter as not one of the shooters. On searching the car about 45 minutes later, Detective Emil DiRobbio found a live .32 caliber pistol round under the front passenger seat and a 12-gauge shotgun shell in the trunk. Ballistics later established that the murder weapons had been a .32 caliber pistol and a 12-gauge shotgun. The defense later raised questions about this evidence, as it was not logged with a property clerk until five days after the murders."

Apparently the only eye-witnesses were two thieves who'd been burglarizing a factory near the shooting that night - and they identified Carter as a shooter months after the shooting. They recanted several years later. Carter also had witnesses place him at a nearby nightclub at the time of the shooting. The most damning evidence to me seems to have been the guns, which weren't logged the night of the shootings but only after five days.

I'm no lawyer, but to me there seems enough reasonable doubt there to acquit if I'd been a juror.
27 posted on 04/20/2014 10:01:09 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
He was never acquitted. A liberal judge just overturned his trial. Furthermore, the person that "recanted" his story only did so because Hurricane's defense team bribed him with 27k.

No doubt that there has been racism in our justice system in the past. However, Hurricane's story sounds like a bunch of BS.

28 posted on 04/20/2014 10:24:51 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Wikipedia is wrong. Calvin Deal, a journalist who covered the story at the time, has a website, which is not available now. Go here for a summary:

http://vnnforum.com/archive/index.php/t-31259.html

The website is http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/

It may no longer be maintained of may be suffering a dos attack or is just overloaded. Try again later.

Carter was a vile and evil murderer hiding behind claims of racism. Who could blame him? He would have been executed if not for the goofball supreme court tossing capital punishment.


29 posted on 04/20/2014 10:31:34 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: SMGFan

Reminds me of the line uttered by Howie Long’s character in 2000 Miles to Graceland.

“He’s so bad, Bob Dylan wrote a song to keep him in prison”.


30 posted on 04/20/2014 10:57:44 AM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Beowulf9

Great song!


31 posted on 04/20/2014 11:58:41 AM PDT by Larry Milk
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To: SMGFan

Different studio take of Dylan’s song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr8Wn1Mwwwk


32 posted on 04/20/2014 12:06:51 PM PDT by newfreep
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

“and they identified Carter as a shooter months after the shooting. They recanted several years later. “

Why would you believe someone that admitted to lying?


33 posted on 04/20/2014 12:08:10 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: SMGFan

Looks like Hurricane has been downgraded.


34 posted on 04/20/2014 12:10:13 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SMGFan

The original Mumia.


35 posted on 04/20/2014 12:14:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: AppyPappy

If you read more into this, you will find that they were bribed to recant their stories.


36 posted on 04/20/2014 12:23:34 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: AppyPappy
Why would you believe someone that admitted to lying?

I don't believe or know anything about the case besides a bad Dylan song, but that's sort of the point - the only eye-witnesses were apparently questionable characters with their own legal troubles. When the only witnesses are two career criminals with the usual reasons for a criminal facing jail-time to lie, I see grounds for a reasonable doubt.

Others have posted that there were substantive reasons to believe Carter did the crime beyond what's posted in Wikipedia. I sincerely hope so - the guy was imprisoned for 19 years.
37 posted on 04/20/2014 1:28:34 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: SMGFan

While leftists won’t admit it, “wrongly convicted” does NOT necessarily mean “innocent.”


38 posted on 04/20/2014 2:37:44 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: SMGFan; Revolting cat!; GeronL
Once freed, Carter began a new life in Canada and devoted himself to helping others who were wrongly convicted.

Once freed, he beat the crap out of his girlfriend.

Liberals support losers.

The Demcrapweasel War on Women continues.

39 posted on 04/21/2014 6:07:42 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Joni Mitchell regrets singing and fundraising on his behalf.


40 posted on 04/21/2014 6:08:14 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Carter was guilty as hell, convicted twice by juries who heard the evidence. He was released by a judge based on a song by Bob Dylan.

That's nothing, twice convicted murdered "Leadbelly" got released on testimony by folklorist Lomax that he was a vital singer and "songwriter" (Lomax attributed ownership to him for some public domain songs so he'd get some royalties to live on).

41 posted on 04/21/2014 6:12:03 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: driftless2
That was a time when many black men like Carter were supposedly railroaded into jail. At least many white libs like Dylan swallowed those stories.

That was the time of "radical chic" (about the time of "porno chic") when wealthy liberals would throw house parties and fundraise for known seditious and terrorist groups.

42 posted on 04/21/2014 6:13:24 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: dfwgator; Revolting cat!

Violent Hurricane caused by global warming, no doubt!


43 posted on 04/21/2014 6:15:19 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: a fool in paradise

Yeah, the Tom Wolfe book. I never did read that book, but it was talked a lot about in the day. Even some lefty sources made fun of Leonard Bernstein. I can see why Wolfe became persona non grata with many lefties though. He made fun of their rituals and skewered them for allying with anti-American radicals. Now, many left coast and east coast mainstream lib celebrities are anti-American radicals.


44 posted on 04/21/2014 7:19:26 AM PDT by driftless2
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You can paraphrase about Carter, the very same words Mary McCarthy said about the Leftist idol,playwrite-writer,Lillian Hellman:

“Every word out of his mouth was a lie, including every ‘and’ and ‘the’.”

And I mean EVERY SINGLE WORD. But the Left simply will, never believe that one of their icons would lie about every single thing, every single day of that icon’s life. Then again, if they are convinced, Leftisdts will excuse it with:”Well, he HAAAAAD to, he was BLAAAAACK.Blacks have been treated so horribly by....” followed by the usual river of anti-White, Lefty-verbal-diarrhea.


45 posted on 05/12/2014 11:30:41 AM PDT by PhineasSpear (PhineasSpear)
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