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Moses In The Twelfth Dynasty Egyptian Literature, A Reconstruction
Aris M. Hobeth ^ | 2010 | Aris M. Hobeth

Posted on 04/22/2014 6:04:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Conventional biblical scholars tentatively position Moses during the Ancient Egyptian New Kingdom reign of Ramses II. Not much evidence supports this view.

However, the Egyptian Twelfth Dynasty stories provide so many details which match the Exodus details, that these coincidences strongly suggest that both sources are describing the same events...

Amenemhet I - Sehetepibre (1991-1962) First king of the 12th Dynasty... The Story of Sinuhe tells of the events concerning his murder... This is 'the Egyptian' killed by Moses (as Sinuhe) for 'abusing a Hebrew'. He is Moses' half-brother and adoptive step-father. His mother is Nubian.

Senusret I - Kheperkare (1971-1926) Second king of the 12th Dynasty. Son of Amenemhet I, co-regent with him for 10 years before the murder. Had the Instructions (above) written as propaganda. He is the pharo 'who sought Moses' life'. He is Moses' half-brother, the 'dark' triplet.

Amenemhet II - Nubkaure (1929-1895) Third king of the 12th Dynasty. Son of Sesostris I. He is the king Nubkaure, who listened to the Eloquent Peasant (Aaron). He (not Sesostris I) welcomed Sinuhe (Moses) back to Egypt. He is the pharoah of the Exodus...

Senusret II - Khakheperre (1897-1878) Fourth king of the 12th Dynasty. He is the Eloquent Peasant... He also wrote Lamentations of Khakheperre before he died. He is Aaron.

Senusret III - Khakhaure (1878-1841) Fifth king of the 12th Dynasty. Usually considered to be son of Sesostris II, his is actually the half-brother of Sesostris I, and brother of Sesostris II (Aaron). He is the 'mighty' triplet. He is Sinuhe, who plotted the murder of Amenemhet I... He is Moses.

Amenemhet III - Nymaatre (1842-1797) Sixth king of the 12th Dynasty. Son of Sesostris III. He is Joshua.

(Excerpt) Read more at arismhobeth.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
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Moses In The Twelfth Dynasty Egyptian Literature, A Reconstruction

1 posted on 04/22/2014 6:04:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Joseph and Potiphar
Immanuel Velikovsky
http://www.varchive.org/ce/joseph.htm

...to find out whether the personality of Joseph or the patron of the early stage of his career, Potiphar, is referred to in the historical documents, we have to look into those of the Middle Kingdom. The task appears simple. According to the Book of Genesis Potiphar was “an officer of Pharaoh, captain of the guard.” In the register of the private names to the Ancient Records of Egypt by James Breasted, we find the name Ptahwer.

Ptahwer was at the service of the Pharaoh Amenemhet III of the Twelfth Dynasty of the Middle Kingdom. According to an inscription of Ptahwer at Sarbut el-Khadem in Sinai dated in the forty-fifth year of Amenemhet III, his office was that of “master of the double cabinet, chief of the treasury.” ...

Since there is only one Ptahwer in the historical documents, and since he lived in the time when we expect to find him, we are probably not wrong in identifying the biblical Potiphar with the historical Ptahwer...

Since a great famine took place in the days of Joseph, it is, of course, important to trace such a famine in the age of which we speak. In the days of Amenemhet III there occurred in Egypt a famine enduring nine long years...

...the Pharaoh in whose days was the seven years’ famine was the successor of the Pharaoh in whose days began the rise of Joseph’s career (if Yatu is Joseph). Potiphar, who lived under Amenemhet III, probably lived also under his successor.

The inscription which deals with Ptahwer mentions a man whose name is transliterated by Breasted as Y-t-w. Among the monuments of Amenemhet III’s reign is one of the Storekeeper who was honored together with two other persons... If we remember that according to the Scriptural narrative Joseph was appointed storekeeper of the State (Gen. 41:40-41) in anticipation of the seven lean years, with the powers of a chief Minister of State or Vice-King, we may suspect in Yatu the Biblical Joseph. In the Scriptures it is said that his name was changed by Pharaoh to Zaphnath-paaneah [possibly “he who is called Paaneah”], but still his original name may have been in use until he became next to the Pharaoh in importance.

The inscription that mentions Ptahwer refers to his activity in the mines of the Sinai peninsula. In this respect it is of interest to find that the Jewish traditions connect Joseph with the area of the Sinai Peninsula saying that he kept a large quantity of treasuries near Baal Zaphon, the scene of the Passage of the Sea.


2 posted on 04/22/2014 6:09:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1169550/posts?page=116#116

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2197015/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/725672/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/714636/posts


3 posted on 04/22/2014 6:11:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
One of *those* topics, I don't think this guy is even close, but anyway...

4 posted on 04/22/2014 6:12:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
I don't think this guy is even close, but anyway...

5 posted on 04/22/2014 6:12:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bumping for later, thanks!


6 posted on 04/22/2014 6:14:00 PM PDT by prisoner6 (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered! I AM A FREE MAN!)
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To: SunkenCiv

And now for something completely different:

5 Ancient Black Civilizations That Were Not in Africa
http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/04/16/5-ancient-black-civilizations-africa/


7 posted on 04/22/2014 6:14:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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Bahr Yusef Canal (Waterway of Joseph or Yusuf (pbuh))
http://wikimapia.org/4073622/Bahr-Yusef-Canal-Waterway-of-Joseph-or-Yusuf-pbuh


8 posted on 04/22/2014 6:14:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

> Bietak unearthed evidence from artwork as early as 7000 B.C. that depicts the early people inhabiting Greece were of African descent.

AFAIK, that’s complete nuttery.


9 posted on 04/22/2014 6:16:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’ve heard that Thutmose III (reigned 1479 -1425 BC) was the Pharoah of the Exodus.

Maatkare Hatshepsut (reigned 1479-1458 BC) then was the girl who pulled Moses out of the river.


10 posted on 04/22/2014 6:16:08 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: prisoner6

My pleasure!

http://www.varchive.org/ce/theses.htm


11 posted on 04/22/2014 6:17:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ya think?


12 posted on 04/22/2014 6:19:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: scrabblehack

Thanks scrabblehack. Thutmose III was the Biblical Shishak, Hatshepsut the Queen of Sheba; by their time Moses had been dead for centuries.

http://www.varchive.org/ce/theses.htm

44. A preliminary expedition dispatched by Hatshepsu[t] to prepare the way for the main expedition, was met by Peruha, the biblical Paruah, governor of Ezion-Geber.

45. The correction of the verses I Kings 4, 16-17 which place Aloth in the domain of the son of Paruah, is well founded.

http://shishak-amaic.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-identification-of-karnak-treasures.html

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6d1UfZjbod4/UDWyaNR2_0I/AAAAAAAAGvY/SjjdVikyOIw/s1600/Karnak01.jpg


13 posted on 04/22/2014 6:24:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I don’t understand any of it.


14 posted on 04/22/2014 6:24:53 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

:’) Bietak’s digs have been in Egypt; Beitak’s main claim to fame has been his alleged find of the Hyksos capital, Avaris (I think he’s merely found one of their cities, they ruled for centuries), in which he’s found Minoan art; and I’ve never, ever heard of any wall art from 7000 BC ever having been found in Greece by anyone.

Did Unemployed Minoan Artists Land Jobs in Ancient Egypt?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2422780/posts

Minoan Frescoes at Tel Kabri: Aegean Art in Bronze Age Israel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3045685/posts

Remains of Minoan-style painting discovered during excavations of Canaanite palace
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2383594/posts

German Scientists: Europe’s Oldest Script Found In Bulgaria (Minoan)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1406648/posts

East Bulgaria Reveals Minoan Pertainence
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1326899/posts

Minoan civilization was made in Europe
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3019397/posts

DNA Sheds Light On Minoans
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1996686/posts

Unprecedented mathematical knowledge found in (Minoan) Bronze Age wall paintings
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1588411/posts


15 posted on 04/22/2014 6:45:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I had to edit out about 200 words from the page, and one of the castaways included reference to the author’s reliance on Edgar Cayce for some illumination of the problems. Needless to say, Neither Moses, nor Aaron, nor Joshua was ever pharaoh of Egypt. Moses gave it the old college try when he was young, but that’s it.


16 posted on 04/22/2014 6:51:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks for that link, there are a lot of laughs in there.

> Many scholars have concluded that the founders of the first Mesopotamian civilization were Black Sumerians.

There are zero scholars who think that — there may be some dilettantes and agitprop spreaders who claim to. The Sumerians referred to themselves as “the black-headed people”, an obvious reference to their hair, which was jet black rather than the browns and sandys they encountered when they arrived in what became Sumeria. Their language was agglutinative and has no known relatives living or dead. In their art, no evidence at all of African origin.

http://khan.addu.edu.ph/humanities/art-history/art-history-400-c-e—ancient-cultures-1/ancient-near-east/v/standard-of-ur—c—2600-2400-b-c-e/

It reminds me of the propaganda of a wacko “religious” group here in Michigan years ago, called “The Black Hebrew Israelite Jews” (just to be on the safe side, they threw ‘em all in there). The basis for the claim that the “real” Jews were black African? When Moses stretched out his hand (I think at the spring, when everyone was out of water) his hand turned “white as snow”. I just looked at my hands, and they aren’t white as snow either. ;’)


17 posted on 04/22/2014 7:32:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the post SunkinCiv. I am reading the entire Bible this year and am right in the middle of the Old Testament right now. Fascinating!


18 posted on 04/22/2014 7:49:49 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: scrabblehack

I think that’s close, but i think it was his son Amenhotep II,

Hatshepsut may be correct,

The timing for the Exodus (I believe) was approx 1448 BC,


19 posted on 04/22/2014 7:54:25 PM PDT by captmar-vell
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To: Inyo-Mono

My pleasure!


20 posted on 04/22/2014 8:01:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: captmar-vell

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3147487/posts?page=13#13


21 posted on 04/22/2014 8:18:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Twelfth Dynasty exhibits the characteristics of a regime that would have enslaved the Hebrews. The country had been disunited and they came up from the south and established a strong central government. They then sent their troops to the east to conquer territory. The Hebrews were living on the northern border area and were considered a security threat. The Hebrews had to be brought to heel. They also launched huge building projects including the famed labyrinth so they needed lots of workers. Under them was a great flowering of literature, later considered the golden age, so when Moses came along at the end of the Thirteenth Dynasty, he would have gotten an excellent eduction in writing preparing him to record the Torah in another language.

It was not as if they did not know Joseph. They did not Zaphnathpaneah. That was his Egyptian name, “Neith says he will live.” The Hebrews were regarded as worshippers of Neith and settled in Neith country because his wife Osnath was a priestess of the goddess Neith. The southerners did not know Neith, who was based in the north. She was the mother of Isis and Athena and made a comeback later so that the Greeks knew her very well.

Coming out in the Exodus, I agree with Velikovsky that the Hebrews met the Hyksos, a Semitic people coming in. The land to which the Hebrews were going was normally under Egyptian control. Had the Egyptians not been knocked out of the game, so to speak, for a few hundred years, the Hebrews could not have conquered that land because they would have had to face Egyptian regulars who could come up quickly via a coastal road. As a matter of fact when the Babylonians under Cushan saw there were a power vacuum they moved in to take over the country. The Hebrews would have been lost except two great leaders arose, Othniel and his wife Achsah. She was the daughter of the great Caleb the Hero and he was his nephew. They drove out the Babylonians and established security for 40 years.


22 posted on 04/23/2014 1:19:46 AM PDT by idov
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To: SunkenCiv

bump for later read


23 posted on 04/23/2014 3:06:21 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: SunkenCiv
Moses suposes his toeses are roses
But Moses supposes erroneously
And Moses, he knowses his toeses aren't roses
As Moses supposes his toeses to be
24 posted on 04/23/2014 4:03:05 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: captmar-vell; idov; SunkenCiv; scrabblehack; All

I am also of the opinion it was during this part of the 18th dynasty. 12th dynasty is much too early. Exodus was at least 400 years after Abraham who was around 12th dynasty. There were dark skinned, curly haired people found east of the Black Sea who may have been Egyptians posted there by Sesosteris II or someone in that era.


25 posted on 04/23/2014 11:55:18 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: idov

Thanks idov!


26 posted on 04/27/2014 11:38:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: gleeaikin

The RC dating of Ramses II, 19th dynasty (using the contents of his canopic jars) turned out to be over 700 years younger than the conventional pseudochronology claims, but that is the date that Velikovsky gave for him. An 18th Dynasty Exodus is completely hopeless.


27 posted on 04/27/2014 11:39:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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> It seems to me that the name is not an Arabic one, but rather is of Egyptian design. Mose-ika-ya could be a name arranged similarly to Smenkh-ka-re, the last syllable being the name of a divinity—god Re (or Ra) in the case of Smenkare; in the case of Mosaikaya—the God Ya (as in the names Isa iah , Jerem iah, and the like), the syllable ka being the Egyptian word for “soul.” If this archaic Arabian tradition brought down to us the name of the leader correctly, we may at last have the Semitic name of the great deliverer, and also his Egyptian name. The name “the soul of Yahweh” would surely be a fitting name for the man who, according to the Scriptures, was the first to whom the Divine name was revealed.

http://www.varchive.org/ce/baalbek/deswan.htm


28 posted on 05/03/2014 8:25:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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