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El Al pilots forget to lower wheels on Heathrow landing
Times of Israel ^ | April 22, 2014 | Stuart Winer

Posted on 04/23/2014 5:02:51 AM PDT by Gamecock

Full Title: El Al pilots forget to lower wheels on Heathrow landing

Passenger jet averts disaster just 250 meters above runway when alarm alerts cockpit that landing gear not deployed

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An El Al passenger jet came close to dangerously belly-flopping onto a runway recently after its pilots forgot to lower the plane’s landing gear.

The incident took place as the 737 jet was preparing to land at London’s Heathrow Airport last month, according to reports released Thursday.

As the plane descended to a height of about 250 meters above the runway a safety alarm went off in the cockpit indicating to the pilots that they had forgotten to lower the landing gear.

The crew quickly pulled up into a climb, lowered the wheels, and then came around again to make their landing. The passengers were not informed that anything unusual had happened during the maneuver.

El Al said that the incident was under investigation with the chief accident investigator of the Transportation Ministry.

According to a report in news site Nana 10, the wheels of the plane were supposed to be lowered at a distance of six miles from the runway, and a further two checks should have been carried out to make sure that the landing gear was deployed. However, the plane was just two miles from touchdown and at a low altitude before the alarm caught the pilots’ attention.

Haaretz reported that one of the pilots involved was sent to complete a training course as well as testing on a simulator


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: aviation

1 posted on 04/23/2014 5:02:51 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock
forget to lower wheels on Heathrow landing

I guess he missed that day in pilot school.

2 posted on 04/23/2014 5:03:32 AM PDT by Gamecock (The covenant is a stunning blend of law and love. (TK))
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To: Gamecock

If it takes full power to taxi, you may not have put your wheels down. :=)


3 posted on 04/23/2014 5:06:28 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Bob; SkyDancer; SgtBob; Chode

LOL!

A don’t worry about the scrapes on the belly- they’ll buff right out.


4 posted on 04/23/2014 5:12:16 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: Gamecock

He was still at 1200 feet or so when the warning sounded, so why didn’t he just drop ‘em and continue the approach? Three greens is a GO on a 73 isn’t it?


5 posted on 04/23/2014 5:14:00 AM PDT by CARTOUCHE (I'm an Obamacare truant. Can't wait for the truant officer to arrive.)
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To: Gamecock

News site’s full name: Nana Nabooboo


6 posted on 04/23/2014 5:14:17 AM PDT by KingLudd
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To: Gamecock

We call them anti-chaffing rubbers.


7 posted on 04/23/2014 5:18:01 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Gamecock
Haaretz reported that one of the pilots involved was sent to complete a training course as well as testing on a simulator.

Both pilots should have to take additional trainer time since it is a crew-served aircraft. The Co-Pilot initiates and verifies the checklists.

8 posted on 04/23/2014 5:18:09 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: CARTOUCHE

When you deploy the landing gear it changes your approach angle because of the loss in speed from flying dirty(ier).


9 posted on 04/23/2014 5:18:36 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Gamecock

Very, very unusual. Most El Al pilots are ex-military or current military - and dam good. Makes you wonder what else was happening that they were so distracted.


10 posted on 04/23/2014 5:22:08 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Gamecock

Guess they thought allah was flying the plane....


11 posted on 04/23/2014 5:22:35 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Gamecock

More happy graduates from Rudi Dekkers flight school?


12 posted on 04/23/2014 5:25:55 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Thanks Jack, my days in a 150 are long past and weren’t complicated by gear issues. Good point.


13 posted on 04/23/2014 5:29:52 AM PDT by CARTOUCHE (I'm an Obamacare truant. Can't wait for the truant officer to arrive.)
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To: CARTOUCHE

Remember the old saying...

Pitch, power, trim! Pitch, power, trim!


14 posted on 04/23/2014 5:33:52 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I was actually wondering about that. (Not a pilot) Thanks.


15 posted on 04/23/2014 5:34:21 AM PDT by Gamecock (The covenant is a stunning blend of law and love. (TK))
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I always wonder why the airlines and the FAA haven’t changed the rules on when the landing gear is dropped. It seems flying those several miles with the increased drag from the gear is expensive, costing many millions of dollars of fuel cumulatively each year.

I guess now I have my answer. Too dangerous to wait any longer.


16 posted on 04/23/2014 5:34:24 AM PDT by Carlucci
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To: areukiddingme1
Perhaps recently fired from Asiana? Sum Ting Wong must be looking for work after his last landing in San Francisco.
17 posted on 04/23/2014 5:36:14 AM PDT by Gamecock (The covenant is a stunning blend of law and love. (TK))
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To: Carlucci

I usually see them drop their gear about 10-12 miles out.


18 posted on 04/23/2014 5:36:18 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Gamecock

Just like in airplane.


19 posted on 04/23/2014 5:37:41 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Popman
Guess they thought allah was flying the plane....

El Al is an Israeli airline. I doubt they'd be using pilots who pray to allah.

20 posted on 04/23/2014 5:41:41 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: Gamecock

I wonder what the audible warning sounded like?

Here’s one option:

“what are you, meshuginah? put the gear down, schmuck! oi vey, like I told your father you should’ve gone to medical school”

CC


21 posted on 04/23/2014 5:43:02 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Popman
Guess they thought allah was flying the plane....

Like that country song: "allah take the yoke."

22 posted on 04/23/2014 5:52:22 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: CARTOUCHE

He was six miles out...seems like plenty of time to drop ‘em and land. I guess they needed extra time to go through the entire checklist to see what else they forgot. “Flaps? Oh crap!”


23 posted on 04/23/2014 5:54:01 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Gamecock

There is a saying among pilots about landing wheels up. “There are those that have and those that will.” Unfortunaly I am among those that have. Many years ago as a teenager I landed my dad’s Bonanza wheels up. The positive thing about it is that is a lesson learned.


24 posted on 04/23/2014 6:09:31 AM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Popman
Guess they thought allah was flying the plane....

Better chance of that with Emirates or Etihad.

25 posted on 04/23/2014 6:19:51 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The pilot was heard later saying
“wheels are for p*ssies”.


26 posted on 04/23/2014 6:21:36 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: mabarker1

Now arriving at Gate 10.......Gate 11......Gate 12.......Gate 13.........


27 posted on 04/23/2014 6:24:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mabarker1

Now arriving at Gate 10.......Gate 11......Gate 12.......Gate 13.........


28 posted on 04/23/2014 6:25:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

29 posted on 04/23/2014 6:32:12 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: deoetdoctrinae
Here's a picture of the plane.


30 posted on 04/23/2014 6:34:03 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: CARTOUCHE

Airline regulations REQUIRE the aircraft to be properly configured on a stabilized approach. They probably could have salvaged the landing, but that’s not how it’s done. Not properly configured means doing a lot of last second power and trim adjustments when on short final = not stabilized = go around.

I’m surprised they didn’t notice the airspeed was out of kilter long before that point.


31 posted on 04/23/2014 7:01:30 AM PDT by Big Giant Head
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To: Gamecock

Must have forgotten to read out the checklist too. Landing gear is part of that.


32 posted on 04/23/2014 7:07:08 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: mabarker1
that's why they make checklists... damn
33 posted on 04/23/2014 2:55:34 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: CARTOUCHE

3 green , no red ... continue and remind yourself to follow the checklist next time..


34 posted on 04/23/2014 3:49:21 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: Gamecock

Even Muslim pilots seem to understand the need for putting down the gear before landing.


35 posted on 04/23/2014 4:08:37 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Gamecock

One pilot in the cockpit and that would not happen


36 posted on 04/23/2014 4:09:47 PM PDT by BRL
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To: onedoug

Perhaps that’s the day he missed!


37 posted on 04/23/2014 6:39:45 PM PDT by Gamecock (The covenant is a stunning blend of law and love. (TK))
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To: mabarker1

I had a Mooney M20E that had a gear up landing in its history. The engine got re-man’ed, and the belly skin was replaced with a composite LoPresti Speed Mod. I didn’t own it at the time...she was located in Yankee-ville, PA.

When I advertised to sell, I told of the damage history, and the speed mod...I got 10k more than was paid...not shabby;-)


38 posted on 04/23/2014 6:43:12 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Okieshooter
There is a saying among pilots about landing wheels up. “There are those that have and those that will.” Unfortunaly I am among those that have. Many years ago as a teenager I landed my dad’s Bonanza wheels up. The positive thing about it is that is a lesson learned.

Yep. There are two kinds of pilots: those who have landed wheels-up, and those who haven't-- yet. :-)

All in all, I'd say this was a successful event. The alarms did what they were supposed to do. A pilot error was detected in time and a disaster was avoided. A pretty good day, that.

39 posted on 04/23/2014 6:54:00 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Okieshooter

I came close once in a light twin instructing a student. We were doing multiple traffic patterns practicing single-engine ops, when the tower told us to check our gear on short final. I raised an eyebrow at the student as if I had known all along. Later when we returned to our home airport it hit me like a ton of bricks. I grounded myself for a few days afterwards. Spooky how easily that can happen.


40 posted on 04/23/2014 7:03:33 PM PDT by Textide
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To: Gamecock
Too much Manischewitz during Passover?

-PJ

41 posted on 04/23/2014 7:05:15 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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