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China Is Looking at Linux to Shake Its Dependency on Windows XP
Softpedia ^ | 24 April 2014 | Staff

Posted on 04/25/2014 7:14:59 AM PDT by ShadowAce

Ubuntu Kylin Enlarge picture - Ubuntu Kylin

China is one of the countries that have suffered the most when Microsoft decided to pull the plug on Windows XP. The Chinese government is now looking towards Linux to fill that gap, and it intends to use its resources to make that happen.

China has been struggling for years to make its own Linux operating system, but it had little success. At one point it had something called the Red Flag Linux distribution, but the project never really got off the ground and lost all support from the Chinese government.

Microsoft's decision to stop issuing security updates for Windows XP has determined the Chinese authorities to start looking for answers, and it seems that Linux might be the solution. Windows XP still occupies a large portion of the market, with a little over 50%, so it's understandable why they might consider that it's time for a change.

According to a report made by news.xinhuanet.com, the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology is looking to provide the needed support for an operating system that is ready to replace Windows XP.

“The ministry will beef up support for the development of such an OS.The shutdown will bring risks directly to China's basic telecommunication networks and threaten its overall security,” said Zhang Feng, the chief engineer of the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology.

There are numerous other Linux distributions that would gladly take the opportunity to expand into such a large market, including Red Hat, which is a commercial enterprise. The best positioned operating system right now that could do the job is Ubuntu Kylin, a new Ubuntu flavor that was first released a little over a year ago.

It may be an official Ubuntu flavor, but the Ubuntu developers are not involved in the project. It's being built by Chinese programmers and focuses on that particular culture, with its own apps and governing principles.

What's even more interesting is that the developers of Ubuntu Kylin are already working with China's National University of Defense Technology and The China Software and Integrated Chip Promotions Center, which means that they are definitely on the Chinese government's radar.

It remains to be seen if Linux or Ubuntu Kylin will manage to make an impact in China. You can imagine that Microsoft will not sit idle and will most likely make some very hard to resist offers.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: linux; windows; windowsxp

1 posted on 04/25/2014 7:14:59 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; Still Thinking; ...

2 posted on 04/25/2014 7:15:17 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
Hey, I love Ubuntu but it does have its limitations.

Perfect for general stuff such as word processing and surfing the net.

Not so good for more specialized stuff.

3 posted on 04/25/2014 7:19:13 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345
Not so good for more specialized stuff.

Hence the term "specialized."

Windows isn't good for more specialized stuff, either. The article isn't talking about specialization, but general desktop applications.

4 posted on 04/25/2014 7:21:04 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

China probably has 2 or 3 copies of XP. The rest are bootleg.


5 posted on 04/25/2014 7:22:15 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: ShadowAce; Golden Eagle

Where is Golden Eagle to explain all of this info?


6 posted on 04/25/2014 7:25:02 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: FatherofFive
China probably has 2 or 3 copies of XP. The rest are bootleg.

LOL, my first thought was - what do they care, it's not like they're paying for it.
7 posted on 04/25/2014 7:27:09 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: ShadowAce

Points...

> Games galore on XP/Windows. None on Ubuntu.

> For years, I used a pro version of video editing software on XP and have no complaints. The equivalent “free version” on Ubuntu is lame (at best).


8 posted on 04/25/2014 7:30:15 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: ShadowAce
I should also point out that with support ending for XP, I considered dual booting my XP machines with Ubuntu or dropping XP all together.

I made the decision to stick with XP because of all of my apps.

BTW, another issue with Ubuntu — Netflix won't run under my version of Ubuntu. The problem might be that I need to upgrade.

I'd consider being able to run Netflix a bit more general and not specialized.

9 posted on 04/25/2014 7:36:23 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345; ShadowAce
Games galore on XP/Windows. None on Ubuntu.



I have been running Linux for a few years... while not all games are easy to get running on Linux, I have been able to get many going fine ;^)
Whether it be through WINE or PlayOnLinux, the games ARE there. I've actually been able to get Crysis 2 running well.. and it runs faster (more FPS) and cooler (on GPU).. That one was a pain to get set up though :p

Running Winblows Kerbal and MineCraft now with no problems.

Oh, btw, running Mint KDE (Kubuntu).
10 posted on 04/25/2014 7:37:36 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Paladin2

LOL! He hasn’t been around in quite a while


11 posted on 04/25/2014 7:43:11 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: dhs12345

> Hey, I love Ubuntu but it does have its limitations.
> Perfect for general stuff such as word processing and
> surfing the net.

Yes,

> Not so good for more specialized stuff.

For development, I prefer RHEL, CentOS, Fedora.

I don’t know of a Linux that runs video/audio processing software of the caliber available for Windows and Mac.

I’d love to see something like Camtasia and CuBase avaialble for Linux.

The problem is providing a port of these apps to work on the myriad Linux distributions, almost all of which are using different kernel versions, different versions of X, different window managers, etc.


12 posted on 04/25/2014 7:46:42 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Bikkuri
Thanks.

Still not as well supported as Windows. World of Warcraft, Diablo, etc. etc.

Do you run Netflix?

And as you mention, the setup — I found that google is your friend. However, the average non techie person would struggle with it.

What is the difference between Ubuntu and Mint? One of my complaints with Linux is finding a driver for the hardware. And a lot of times, the drivers were repackaged windows drivers that didn't work that well.

Ubuntu was a one stop shop for my Dell E1505. Everything worked! I am also running the server on another PC (for https WebDAV and a little family web server).

BTW, I am not an expert. Just mostly a "hacker." :)

13 posted on 04/25/2014 7:52:59 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: ShadowAce

Rats, China is ditching the world’s worst OS, thereby greatly reducing their vulnerability. One would have hoped they would have continued their quest for mediocracy by “upgrading” to Windows whatever...but they’ve decided to go for something written by adults.


14 posted on 04/25/2014 7:55:58 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Westbrook

Sounds like you are a real techie. I am just a casual user with basic understanding.

***

Important point....

It is difficult for a company to justify putting tens of thousands of man hours and millions of dollars of NRE into a software program that will be free.


15 posted on 04/25/2014 7:57:54 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

> It is difficult for a company to justify putting tens of
> thousands of man hours and millions of dollars of NRE into
> a software program that will be free.

Not all software that runs in Linux is free.

And many are the souls that would be very willing to pay for software like Camtasia and CuBase on Linux.

There are basically two pricing models.

* Pay full-price once and pay upgrade-price for major upgrades

* Buy a subscription and get the upgrades free

The problem lies with the daunting task of having to develop for umpteen different distributions.


16 posted on 04/25/2014 8:06:07 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: ShadowAce




we ah vely much ruving the fihufox blowser yes
17 posted on 04/25/2014 8:10:31 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: ShadowAce

M4L


18 posted on 04/25/2014 8:28:59 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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To: Westbrook
Yup. That is where they make their money -— developers and integrators. Embedded systems. Sound like you are one of those people; an engineer?

How about if they target one distribution. For example, a consumer app might be best suited for Ubuntu. Certainly not fedora or the more techie distributions that are targeted at developers.

I am only favoring Ubuntu since I have used it a bit (as a consumer). But it seems to be the closest to a mainstream distribution.

Just my 2cents. :)

19 posted on 04/25/2014 8:36:20 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345; ShadowAce
Ok, not in the order asked..

No, I don't do Netflix.. I download from PirateBay :p (99% is TV series)..

Next, Mint is a Pre-packaged version of another (usually Ubuntu) distro. BUT, Mint has it set up to install the needed drivers DURING install (heck, just running from a Live-CD (USB), it detects and runs hardware). (I type 'usually' because the LMDE is Debian based (rolling, which means that you don't have to re-install to get updates)).

Google... well, if you have been keeping up to date with the news locally (especially here on FR, you know you should not use Google).. I was using Scroogle, up until about 2-3 years ago when Google shut them down.. Now, ixquick or startpage do me well for searches (both are the same) and neither log any info for you. Both are proxies for using the Google search engines (Google only sees THEIR IPs, not your own).

I personally, as I mentioned on another post, am using KDE (which spreads way beyond MINT/Ubuntu)... as a matter of fact, I think KDE goes back to about 1992, or so.. anyone please jump in and correct me.. (point being, it was made for using low resources), and I have been able to run many games.. (btw, I DO have duel boot.. sometimes I actually boot back to Win to play.. but much less often anymore..).

If you are questioning about changing over from Win to Linux, I recommend Mint. There are a few 'flavors' to choose from, and you can try any and all of them out without having to install anything.. Run from CD/DVD/USB on boot..
I started with Cinn, changed to Mate.. was finally happy with KDE, because KDE is the most flexible to change it GUI how you want it. Linux give you complete control of your PC, unlike Win or ESPECIALLY Mac.
20 posted on 04/25/2014 8:43:36 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: dhs12345

Forgot to mention.. yes, I am a guild leader on WoW.. :D and it runs great on Linux ;^)


21 posted on 04/25/2014 8:44:42 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: dhs12345

About running XP.. get Linux.. then Oricle VB (VirtualBox).. You can run the XP inside Linux (sandbox, at that) ;^)


22 posted on 04/25/2014 8:46:57 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: dhs12345
RHEL, CentOS, Fedora

Those are for professionals.. Mainly business.. RH (RedHat) actually costs $$.. CentOS is from corporations.. and Fedora is untested sources before it gets to RedHat..
23 posted on 04/25/2014 8:50:58 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri
Thanks.

Netflix — just an observation.

Mint. I'll check it out. I am due an upgrade — I am still running Ubuntu 10.04 because I like the old icon style desktop. Plus it works perfectly on my dell laptop.

I had a bad experience with Linux a few years ago searching for drivers for all of my hardware. I spent hours and hours searching the net (that is what I meant about "google is your friend"). Some people probably enjoy it and I did for the first couple of days.

Anyway, I am a little hesitant to upgrade since I have had such good luck with Ubuntu 10.04. The good news is that you can test drive it before installing it so I'll probably do that.

24 posted on 04/25/2014 8:57:42 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Bikkuri

Ya. Sounds like a cool idea. Thanks.


25 posted on 04/25/2014 9:00:07 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

I had many ‘bad starts’ with Linux.. I tested pretty much every year since about 2000.. Wasn’t satisfied until about 3-4 years ago. I still like DOS.. :p I hated Win then, still do. But, I had to move on.

Sadly, we lost DOS and were forced to use Windows. I don’t thing Windows itself was weened off of DOS until Win 7... all previous had the DOS shell..

Taking it further, Mac/Apple, are ALL based on Unix!! :D (they will never admit that ;)).. DOS is a mix of simple commands (you used to have to know what you were doing to be able to do anything with the PC ;) that were mixed with Unix.. Heck, I could FTP from DOS (with a dial-up) to a UNIX machine back then :p


26 posted on 04/25/2014 9:03:37 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri

Exactly.

I just remember having a lot of “fun” with Fedora when I was trying to install it on my PC. Damn!

Then someone pointed me to Ubuntu. Even at the time Ubuntu had its issues. But it has come a VERY long way works very well AND it is still free.


27 posted on 04/25/2014 9:06:06 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

GRR.. trying to get multiple screenshot.. but running off of 2 vid cards,, it won’t capture both :/ (one is Linux (running OS), and one is Windows (VB)..


28 posted on 04/25/2014 9:12:15 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: dhs12345

Correction (from my previous post)... I said CentOS is “FROM”.. I meant “FOR” (Corporations).


29 posted on 04/25/2014 9:15:03 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri
Me too. Although, I experimented with Linux much later — 2005. Even then Linux was a pain in the rear. But it is A LOT better now.

DOS. Sounds like you are one of those “command line” persons. Then you'd love Linux. :)

I remember those DOS days — command.sys and autoexec.bat. Lol.

Apple? BSD right?

Oh, what fun I would have if I had more free time.

30 posted on 04/25/2014 9:27:27 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Bikkuri
Ya. I was going to comment about running virtual OSs. It never seems to work as well as promised.

Even running XP in Win7 has its issues. We do this with a number of PCs at work.

31 posted on 04/25/2014 9:32:10 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

I originally started on a system that was either assemble/machine language... or you could type in the ‘basic’ language.. only i/o was cassette tape. (basic).. Of course, we had 8 inch drives back then.. but not available publicly (and I was 10yo.. what did I know ;)


32 posted on 04/25/2014 9:33:57 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: dhs12345

> Sound like you are one of those people; an engineer?

Correct on both counts.
:)

> How about if they target one distribution. For example, a
> consumer app might be best suited for Ubuntu. Certainly
> not fedora or the more techie distributions that are
> targeted at developers.

Actually there already is some of that. For example, there are considerably more user-oriented packages for Ubuntu than there are for RHEL for the reasons you noted.

Such packeges are easily installed with the distribution’s package manager.

However, those of use making use of the more techy distros are not one-dimensional creatures. Many of us are artists, audiophiles, and videophiles, and we’d like to have those applications run natively on our distribution of choice.

For such distributions, the source code is provided so that the application can be compiled natively. However, compiling natively often involves hunting down other packages that the app depends on (dependencies), because the native package manager cannot resolve them.

The reason that virtually all high-end image/video/audio software is developed for both Windows and Mac is that each platform has only one distribution, and support is typically only required for two major OS realeases at any one time.

I would venture that it is possible that, collectively, Linux distributions outnumber Mac, but there are just too many of them, and some, like Fedora, are moving targets, while Mac is monolithic and stable.

Thankfully, we have the virtual machine. You can run your favorite Linux distro and windows on the same hardware platform at the same time.

This requires powerful, multi-core processors that support virtualization. Also, a “virtual host” should have considerably more memory and disk space to supply its “virtual guest” with a good working environment.

VirtualBox (free from Oracle) even has a “seamless desktop”, where both OS’s share the same desktop. You have two taskbars, one for Linux, one for Windows, and their respective apps materialize on the same desktop. This “seamless desktop” seems to be very fussy about the graphics engine, so you may want to do some research before getting frustrated with it.

There are cross-platform development environments, like Qt and Wx, so you can write apps that run on a number of different platforms, iOS, Windows, MacOs, Linuxes, Android, etc, but the apps I’m typically interested in are not developed this way. So, I use the virtual machine.


33 posted on 04/25/2014 9:35:48 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: dhs12345

IF you want to sand box (a Win system... always best to sandbox it FROM a Win system.. that way, no worries about drivers/dlls..)...

Running a Win VB in Linux is a real pian, but can be done... I have experienced this prob 2 fold... I have build my own systems since about 1985... all AMD.. AMD isn’t always ‘userfriendly’..


34 posted on 04/25/2014 9:36:58 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: FatherofFive
China probably has 2 or 3 copies of XP. The rest are bootleg.

ROTFLMAO! You beat me to it. And part of the reason that Iran had that little Stuxnet problem was the same thing.

I love my Linux boxes but no one in my family I've showed them to is willing to invest the time on learning curve. I get that. Part of the reason that Microsoft went so heavily toward the cellphone paradigm in Win8 was the notion that this was going to be - no, rather mistakenly that it already was - a sort of universal interface that would get around the learning curve problem. Metro proved them wrong, although it isn't actually all that bad on a datapad.

Nevertheless, I'll keep my Linux boxes, thanks. I'm a geek.

35 posted on 04/25/2014 9:47:14 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: dhs12345
Netflix won't run under my version of Ubuntu. The problem might be that I need to upgrade.

I'd consider being able to run Netflix a bit more general and not specialized.

Yes, you may need to upgrade.

Netflix can run under Ubuntu and other distros. The issue revolves around DRM and Silverlight.

Do a google search on Pipelight. It is a straightforward solution that is available.

36 posted on 04/25/2014 9:54:02 AM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: Bikkuri
Wow. You go WAY back.

I worked for DEC and remember people telling stories like yours. Lol.

But I bet it paid off for you. You probably rode “the wave” all the way from the beginning to now.

I first started in the early 80s and the IBM PC. I wrote term papers on my parents old Apple IIe.

My wife and I bought our first PC, a 286, and word perfect, lotus 123, in 1988 for $2000! It took us a while to pay it off but it was worth it. My wife was going to college at the time.

37 posted on 04/25/2014 10:05:40 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Westbrook

Wow. Thanks for the information.

Marking for later.


38 posted on 04/25/2014 10:08:42 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: sand88

Will do. Thanks.

Sounds like it is time for me to upgrade.

I remember being sent to a web page and installing a program and it not working. I gave up. It wasn’t that important, though.


39 posted on 04/25/2014 10:12:36 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: MeshugeMikey

Raff Out Roud


40 posted on 04/25/2014 11:55:57 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Bikkuri
Taking it further, Mac/Apple, are ALL based on Unix!! :D (they will never admit that ;))..

Oh, really?

developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/porting/conceptual/portingunix/background/background.html

41 posted on 04/25/2014 12:33:33 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

be nice to me cy :D


42 posted on 04/25/2014 1:39:02 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: dhs12345

I remember replacing Lotu 123 with Quatro-pro :p

I remember (3 PCs before having a HD..) having to record everything on cassette.. about 15-30 minutes to record 8kb >.<

First PC with HD was about 1984.. 286.. Whopping 12MB hd.. could never fill the whole darn thing... (was Epson PC..and had DOT MATRIX Printer too :D).. and the mouse (M$) was $90 (2 button).. :/


43 posted on 04/25/2014 1:46:48 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri
What is cool is that you can open old lotus 123 files with excel. I discovered this a couple of years ago.

Lol. Dot Matrix. Yup. The mainstay.

What OS was it running? DOS? Commodore?

Now here is something to date you — your computer might be in the American History Museum on the Mall in DC. They had a section for computers — IBM PC, HP calcs, etc. Worth a visit if you are in town.

44 posted on 04/26/2014 7:21:53 AM PDT by dhs12345
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