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Need Help Finding Old Webpages
n/a ^ | 4-25-2014 | Me

Posted on 04/25/2014 8:35:17 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj

Hey, guys, I'm about as frustrated as can be trying to locate some pages I favorited some time ago for my own personal research. They were as follows:

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/history/elecbook/thereshallbe/pg89.htm

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/history/Judges.htm

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/history/elecbook/duely/pg58.htm

When I went to them this evening, they all brought me to an error page. I tried looking them up on the search, but there was nothing resembling what I wanted or needed. I went to the Internet Archive and all I got was a "This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine." I tried Google as well, and nothing came up.

I've had these links for years when I've needed to research certain NY judiciary figures (which other sites do not have with respect to dates, etc.). I have no idea how on earth to locate archived pages otherwise or what other site to use in order to find them ? Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can obtain them ? Why they were removed at all, since they were on a state website, is beyond me.


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Thanks for the help.
1 posted on 04/25/2014 8:35:17 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj
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To: fieldmarshaldj

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/history/elecbook/thereshallbe/pg89.htm

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/history/Judges.htm

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/history/elecbook/duely/pg58.htm


2 posted on 04/25/2014 8:35:38 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The state of New York has something to hide perhaps?


3 posted on 04/25/2014 8:40:25 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Did you try a search engine? For example (NY courts website).
I got several hits.


4 posted on 04/25/2014 8:40:55 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: fieldmarshaldj

They might have eliminated the “history” directory. When you’re on the error page, look at the menu bar, and you’ll see “Judges”.


5 posted on 04/25/2014 8:40:59 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Try archive.org and browse their internet archive. That is what comes to mind off the top of my head.


6 posted on 04/25/2014 8:42:05 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
This site may provide a starting point for historical info:

HISTORICAL SOCIETY of the NEW YORK COURTS

7 posted on 04/25/2014 8:42:19 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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To: AlexW

I’m explicitly looking for those pages. It was a booklets/books that were scanned. I can’t find it on their website.


8 posted on 04/25/2014 8:44:24 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/reporter/History/page_58.htm


9 posted on 04/25/2014 8:44:59 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

The “Judges” link on the menu bar has absolutely nothing to do with what I’m looking for.


10 posted on 04/25/2014 8:45:51 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Army Air Corps

As I wrote above...

I went to the Internet Archive and all I got was a “This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine.”


11 posted on 04/25/2014 8:48:57 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Well, that sucks.


12 posted on 04/25/2014 8:49:52 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: NautiNurse

I tried searching through it repeatedly, but it didn’t have the documents that those pages had. I have no idea why.


13 posted on 04/25/2014 8:49:54 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

http://www.nycourts.gov/history/


14 posted on 04/25/2014 8:50:01 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

No, that’s for court reporters. I’m looking for an explicit chronology of these courts and members. Mind you, there are some biographies of the members, but that is NOT what I’m looking for. This was a book or booklet that had pages of info on the memberships of each particular court. I need explicit dates of service (mm/dd/yy), and this was the only document that had them.


15 posted on 04/25/2014 8:52:07 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

site map:

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/history/society-info/site-map.html


16 posted on 04/25/2014 8:52:22 PM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I've had these links for years when I've needed to research certain NY judiciary figures

Specific names or topics could be used to tie them to the actual NEW directory of the website. For example, the directories "elecbook", "duely" or "thereshallbe" might mean something to the data geek that moved them.

17 posted on 04/25/2014 8:54:03 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

That’s the main page of the site I’ve tried to search. I can’t find anything. Is there no alternative internet archive that can get around whatever is blocking these pages ? I cannot believe there’s no other site.


18 posted on 04/25/2014 8:54:21 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Tell me what or who those directories might refer to, and I might be able to fish them up for you. I have a knack...


19 posted on 04/25/2014 8:55:25 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Pelham

These links send you in circles.


20 posted on 04/25/2014 8:56:24 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: kiryandil

Court of Appeals Chronology; Court of Appeals Judges (but NOT current ones, I mean 19th century)


21 posted on 04/25/2014 8:57:47 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The State of NY probably moved those webpages to a different URL.
The page titles are probably the same though, so maybe you could try to google that in quotes.


22 posted on 04/25/2014 8:58:39 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

I tried. It’s been purged from Google ! It all used to be there and I cannot fathom why it is totally gone.


23 posted on 04/25/2014 8:59:24 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Does this look familiar?

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/history/legal-history-new-york/documents/History_Supreme-Court-Duely-Constantly-Kept.pdf

Maybe they converted some of those docs to PDF’s or something.
You know you can download and archive web pages?


24 posted on 04/25/2014 9:02:33 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

That one takes a long time to load!


25 posted on 04/25/2014 9:03:57 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Is the specific term "Court of Appeals Chronology"?

The way you do it is this:

"Court of Appeals Chronology" site:www.nycourts.gov

in Google

26 posted on 04/25/2014 9:06:16 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: smokingfrog

Yes, that’s one of them (for their old Supreme Court, from the 18th-19th centuries), thanks. It’s funny, the second you found it, I just came across it. The other one I needed with the chronology is for the Court of Appeals, and I still can’t find it.


27 posted on 04/25/2014 9:06:32 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: smokingfrog
Ah! The infamous "Duely".

You ever try Foxit? It's got a lot smaller RAM footprint than that RAM-sucking hog Adobe Acroslut.

28 posted on 04/25/2014 9:08:18 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: fieldmarshaldj

http://www.nycourts.gov/history/legal-history-new-york/history-new-york-courts-court-appeals.html

http://www.nycourts.gov/history/legal-history-new-york/documents/History_COA-Kaye-There-Shall-Be.pdf


29 posted on 04/25/2014 9:11:24 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

I did have Foxit on an older computer once. It worked pretty well, but I don’t remember it being that much faster. I might have been on dialup back then, LOL.


30 posted on 04/25/2014 9:11:36 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: kiryandil

That may or may not be the exact term. That’s why I (and you) are having such a difficult time locating the title. It does have some sort of “chronology” in either the title or in the document.


31 posted on 04/25/2014 9:13:51 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: smokingfrog

It’s not that it’s faster - it uses half the RAM, and you can keep from doing all the extraneous under-the-bedsheets crap that Adobe is always up to.


32 posted on 04/25/2014 9:13:56 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: fieldmarshaldj
When I did

Duely site:www.nycourts.gov

and

there shall be site:www.nycourts.gov

on Google, the two PDFs were the first thing on the list.

33 posted on 04/25/2014 9:16:29 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

This is the problem, that “There Shall Be...” is in the name of the file, but the chronology lists that I favorite in the old linked ISN’T in that document. It’s as though it were removed and a bunch of other materials were put in.


34 posted on 04/25/2014 9:17:50 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; smokingfrog

Clearly we can see that since “Duely” was there as a PDF, then the other one you seek is probably hanging around in the same, or a nearby directory.


35 posted on 04/25/2014 9:22:32 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: fieldmarshaldj
You need SPECIFIC words that would be in the file or htm, that are fairly unique. Not "smith" or "the". "Garfinkel" - that would be an awesome search term.
36 posted on 04/25/2014 9:25:46 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

Yeah, the “Duely” one was the third of the 3 I favorited. It’s the 1st one I need the most. I favorited page 89 of that document, which should be in the “There Shall Be...”, but when I went through the entirety of that document, not only was that page not what I had favorited, it didn’t have the chronology list anywhere in the document. It said it was added in 2013, but it obviously was in an earlier document (since I favorited it at least 7 or more years ago, but I hadn’t looked at the page in probably 2 years).


37 posted on 04/25/2014 9:29:06 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: kiryandil

The judges’ names, the years, they all should be in there, but I cannot find them in that document.


38 posted on 04/25/2014 9:33:55 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Give me a fairly unique judge’s name. Not “smith” or “jones”.


39 posted on 04/25/2014 9:35:25 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

Josiah Sutherland, Greene Carrier Bronson...


40 posted on 04/25/2014 9:38:43 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: kiryandil

I put in those names and it brings up a lengthy bio for some, but this is NOT the chronology list I’m referring to that should be there.


41 posted on 04/25/2014 9:40:18 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Does this help?

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/history/legal-history-new-york/history-legal-bench-court-appeals.html


42 posted on 04/25/2014 9:52:32 PM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Forget them. Second Party Now.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I’d try emailing them and asking if they took the stuff down or just changed the URL.


43 posted on 04/25/2014 9:57:02 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Ray76

No, unfortunately. Those are just long bios. I need the info that was in an (apparently) earlier version of “There Shall Be...” document. This listed who served in what session with each individual year, who succeeded whom, etc.

It essentially looked like this (going from memory) as an example for a year:

1850
Chief Judge, Joe Blow

Judges: Joe Smith, Joe Jones, Joe Adams, Joe Thomas

(ex officio): Joe Jackson


44 posted on 04/25/2014 9:59:56 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Impy

I’m not sure whom to email, or if they’ll point back to that obviously altered document. So damn frustrating, for something that would take me all of 2 minutes with a working link, I’ve spent 3 hours trying to locate (and you’d better believe I hit the ceiling... that research is invaluable to me that I’ve accumulated over the last 16 years. Had I known it would be arbitrarily removed without warning and the history prevented from being archived, I’d have copied all the information by hand if necessary).


45 posted on 04/25/2014 10:03:00 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/courts/ad1/centennial/justices.shtml


46 posted on 04/25/2014 10:05:47 PM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Forget them. Second Party Now.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I feel your frustration, I hate when stuff like this happens.

Well they have a contact page

http://www.nycourts.gov/contactus/index.shtml

Lists their email for questions as

mailto:question@nycourts.gov

There is also a form for asking about “technical problems” with website, I don’t know if this qualifies.

http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webteam/index_tech_form.jsp

I’m not optimistic they’ll help but it couldn’t hurt to ask.


47 posted on 04/25/2014 10:14:52 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Ray76

No, that’s not it, either, I’m afraid. That doesn’t even cover the era I’m looking for (mid 1800s), nor does it have lists of members for each year.


48 posted on 04/25/2014 10:15:36 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Impy

I may try that later today, although more often than not, they just point back to whatever they have (and usually I know more than they do). I already lost 3 hours online today when a squirrel got fried on a transformer in my backyard and knocked out the power, so I’m more than a bit exhausted. :-|


49 posted on 04/25/2014 10:17:55 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

You might be able to derive the info here

http://www.digplanet.com/wiki/Associate_Judges_of_the_New_York_Court_of_Appeals#


50 posted on 04/25/2014 10:28:34 PM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Forget them. Second Party Now.)
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