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Destroy a Church in 4 Simple Steps
challies.com ^ | 4/28/14 | Tim Challies

Posted on 04/28/2014 11:37:57 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

A short time ago I learned of a church building in our neighborhood that was for sale. For years now Grace Fellowship Church has been looking for a building of our own, so we thought we should go and give it a look. This had once been a thriving congregation. Faithful Christians had given sacrificially to construct that building. They had consecrated it to the Lord and had worshipped there for many years. Yet now that building was deserted, decaying, and up for sale.

What happened? How did that church go from thriving to dying? How did it slide from healthy to sick to dead? I think I know. I think Paul tells us in his second letter to Timothy, the letter he wrote just days or weeks before his death. There, in chapter 4, he looks into the future, he sees a church being destroyed, and he warns us how it happens. It’s as straightforward as four simple steps.

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TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: americaindecline; biblicalchurch; celebratesin; challies; church; communistgoals; cultureofcorruption; culturewar; falsewitness; heresy; homosexualagenda; lies; perversion; samesexmarriage; smashthepatriarchy; truth
Several "mainstream" churches are pursuing the lie over the truth. Among them are the Episcopalians, the United Churches of Christ, and the Unite Methodist Churches.
1 posted on 04/28/2014 11:37:57 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Sad to say, you’re right.
I left the UMC because of the insanity.


2 posted on 04/28/2014 11:44:43 AM PDT by iceskater (Enjoy your chains, comrades.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Don’t forget the ELCA.


3 posted on 04/28/2014 11:45:43 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Long summary:

  1. Reject truth.
  2. Reject truth tellers.
  3. Embrace false teachers.
  4. Embrace false doctrines.

Short summary:

Allow liberals to take control.

4 posted on 04/28/2014 11:46:27 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: From The Deer Stand

You would have to mention them, my former denomination, now just another Liberal Cult.


5 posted on 04/28/2014 11:47:33 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

bttt


6 posted on 04/28/2014 11:50:14 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Good, succinct article.


7 posted on 04/28/2014 11:51:51 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yep, it’s even sinking in to some conservative churches.


8 posted on 04/28/2014 11:52:20 AM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Funny, I belong to what many people would call a ‘cult’ because we adhere to some Old Testament practices. Meanwhile these liberal churches wither on the vine because they stand for nothing and believe anything. Once their congregations get wise to the fact that there’s no reason to attend these churches the churches close.

Believing in something and then practicing what you believe is a radical act these days.


9 posted on 04/28/2014 11:53:05 AM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: Vigilanteman

yep.


10 posted on 04/28/2014 11:54:27 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Blood of Tyrants

PFL


11 posted on 04/28/2014 11:56:31 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: MeganC
Ain't that the truth? Feel free to freepmail me with the name of your 'cult'. I love checking these places out when I am in a church visiting mood.

I've met some really interesting people and made some good friends over the years visiting churches which seem to be the most unpopular with our modern day Babylonian Mainstream.

12 posted on 04/28/2014 11:58:19 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: iceskater

The chruch I went to as a kid is still around. My paerents still go. I didn’t realize how bad it got until my 10 year old came home with a gay pride bracelet. My paerents are lefties so I started to think just where did they go?
She got it at a umc church. Thankfully they had no clue what it ment.

Grandma has been told. Not to take the kids to chruch any more.


13 posted on 04/28/2014 12:00:05 PM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It’s an error to interpret large building programs as the evidence of a Spirit-lead congregation. After all, the largest “gay and lesbian” church located in Dallas just constructed a massive new multi-million dollar chapel.

Are we to suppose, then, that they are being “blessed” by God?


14 posted on 04/28/2014 12:00:33 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

Satan is their god and he is using them and their money to build his temple.


15 posted on 04/28/2014 12:02:39 PM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

A good article that makes it’s point well. Thanks.

And I think this same progression can be genericized to apply to how a lot of things are destroyed. Families. Communities. Cultures.


16 posted on 04/28/2014 12:05:51 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

There’s a lot of truth in what he says. I’ve witnessed it myself in Seattle. The Capital Hill Methodist church is gone and all the Christian Scientists churches are gone. All progressive humanist churches are just barely hanging in there with maybe twenty or so attending church on Sunday. Across from us we have a First United Church of Christ with a Lesbian pasture. I had a conversation with her and she told me the trouble with Seattle is that there were too many churches. I was shocked that a pasture would say that so I said ‘the trouble with Seattle is that there were not enough pasture’s preaching the gospel. Needless to say her church has less then twenty attending service on Sunday. She seem to think that if more churches were gone she would have more people attending her church apparently.


17 posted on 04/28/2014 12:09:48 PM PDT by Vinylly (?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

How to survive? 4 steps.

(i) Get a better definition of “church” outside a denominational moniker or “brick & mortar” edifices.
(ii) Realize that people of all understandings make up Christ’s church, established at His crucifixion and resurrection. The gathering of the faithful (the baptized).
(iii) Understand that each congregation, in its place and location, is the Christ’s Church militant, “all the company of heaven laud and magnify His name”
(iv) Sola Fides, Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura. The gathering that preaches and hears the Word (Logos!) rightly divided and in its purity is the dwelling place of God (the Holy of Holies).


18 posted on 04/28/2014 12:16:09 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The Acronym explains the science.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

From what I read about the “dead” church in the article, I would guess it was formerly a UCC congregation. I’ve read some of their latest statements, and it sounds like them. The “Church of What’s Happnin’ Now.”


19 posted on 04/28/2014 12:17:30 PM PDT by henkster
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To: cableguymn
Satan is their god and he is using them and their money to build his temple.

Then let's stop using the strength of building programs as a barometer of church health. That's my only point.

20 posted on 04/28/2014 12:21:30 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yes Sir!!! Right on.

“...and the shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables....”

IF they’re not preaching/teaching/living the Truth, it’s just a matter of time that they will end up shutting the doors, or seeing it turned into a pickle barrel factory or something. That was, and is, the underhanded motive all along...to shut it down by deceptive means that all sound so good.

ViglanteMan is right. Liberals are inspired by those from the demonic pit of Hell. They deceptively come to steal, kill and destroy just like their big daddy, Satan. They use just enough “truth” to sound really good to “itching ears”, but their motives and deception are pure evil...always have been, always will be till the Judgement Day. The nature of man hasn’t changed hardly at all in these thousands of years. Sure, our technology has progressed dramatically, but not our human nature. Without Truth, man is no match for, and will fall for, almost every whim of the evil one.


21 posted on 04/28/2014 12:21:48 PM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The United Methodist Church is still attempting futilely to fight off the sodomite barbarians, but when you unbiblically ordain women as ministers, eventually you go all-liberal in the long haul. You have to.


22 posted on 04/28/2014 12:25:03 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: lgjhn23

Ravi Zacharias says that if the guy in the pulpit doesn’t believe it the church will die.


23 posted on 04/28/2014 12:27:09 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

One trend I’ve seen is that churches are seeking growth more than ever.

I’ve seen churches partake in very aggressive marketing of their churches of having high profile Christmas concerts, promoting Vacation Bible School to nearby housing complexes or invite all of the community to their annual carnival.

A few years later, they are thanking the Lord that they’re prayers have been answered because their church has grown greatly in the past 5 years.

But suddenly, pastors become afraid of stepping on toes of the new people that are coming to church so certain topics become avoided.

Next, it becomes more of a democracy, or even mob rule, and those that do not believe in the church’s traditional beliefs become the loudest at screaming at what the church should or should not say or do.


24 posted on 04/28/2014 12:27:18 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: henkster

Or the “Church of (you-fill-in-the-blank)”


25 posted on 04/28/2014 12:28:01 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Vinylly

Pasture

26 posted on 04/28/2014 12:28:35 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: fwdude

“...It’s an error to interpret large building programs as the evidence of a Spirit-lead congregation. After all, the largest “gay and lesbian” church located in Dallas just constructed a massive new multi-million dollar chapel.

Are we to suppose, then, that they are being “blessed” by God?...”

I agree with you. We really need to look/see what’s being taught under the roof. Building programs are NOT an indication of being “blessed”. However, the destruction of once spirit-led denominations is the real goal. Satan doesn’t care how big your building is. He’ll even help you build it IF it will turn people away from the Truth...such as the one you speak of in Dallas.


27 posted on 04/28/2014 12:29:22 PM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: MeganC

Sounds like we go to the same church.


28 posted on 04/28/2014 12:34:17 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: mountn man

But are those Lesbian cows?


29 posted on 04/28/2014 12:35:13 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: Vinylly

“Across from us we have a First United Church of Christ with a Lesbian pasture.”

I pictured a fenced meadow with 200 lb lesbians mooing & ranting, kept separate from the main church.

Nope, they’re running it.


30 posted on 04/28/2014 12:37:03 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: PLMerite

All the lesbians I know are cows. A lesbian pasture seems a reasonable thing to me.


31 posted on 04/28/2014 12:44:35 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: dragonblustar

I attended Foursquare for 30 years or so. One of the leaders signed the Evangelical Climate Initiative. The theology, at least at the Beaverton location, is still sound. But “the Shack” was quite popular.Tickled ears are making inroads, I’m afraid.

I live fairly far from the church I was attending, so I am now attending a church in my community that currently balances community outreach and Biblical truth, and I pray that it stays that way.


32 posted on 04/28/2014 12:54:29 PM PDT by Wicket (1 Peter 3:15 , Romans 5:5-8)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

(iv) ...and Solo Christo & Soli Deo Gloria.


33 posted on 04/28/2014 1:09:13 PM PDT by afsnco
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To: Vinylly
The Seattle-area Catholic church (Assumption Parish) that I attended during my early years is still there, but it has gone from four or five Sunday masses to two, from three or four priests to one, and from about five nuns (school teachers) to none. I don't know for sure, but I would guess that confessions have declined almost to the vanishing point. (My sister works for the school, sings in the choir, receives communion every week, and told me she hasn't been to confession in about thirty years.)

I also suspect that in any conflict between gays and the church, both the priest and congregation would be solidly on the side of the gays. (I have a solid basis for that observation). My sister is also a huge Obama supporter.
34 posted on 04/28/2014 1:11:16 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: henkster

UCC = Unitarians Considering Christ.


35 posted on 04/28/2014 1:40:24 PM PDT by PA BOOKENDS
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To: fwdude

bttt


36 posted on 04/28/2014 1:41:07 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
One of the main charges for the Biblical office of elder is to fend off false teachers ... if they cannot do that ... they are unqualified to lead the church in any respect.

If your elders are unqualified ... it is just a matter of time before this happens to EVERY church.

37 posted on 04/28/2014 1:49:21 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Just as fundamental as rejecting truth is its precursor;rejecting authority. Truth is received based on authority, law and society are structured according to authority even the very gospel of Christ alone as the substitutionary atonement is founded on the doctrine of authority. Authority is a much overlooked yet essential doctrine of God. His church, the family, and civic societies that fail to acknowledge the authority of Christ have already caused the first domino to fall. Remember those words spoken back in Eden “Yeah did God really say...” and “Nay you shall not surely die” - the challenge of authority resulted in the fall and we are still falling for it today.


38 posted on 04/28/2014 2:49:26 PM PDT by DaveyB ("When injustice becomes the law; rebellion becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Steve_Seattle

The problem with gays and lesbians is that most of them are anti-christian and don’t attend church. When a church tries to appeal to them they don’t come.


39 posted on 04/28/2014 3:06:44 PM PDT by Vinylly (?)
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To: PLMerite

To the gay community, everyone and everything is gay.


40 posted on 04/28/2014 3:46:54 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: mountn man

If the preacher man went out there and posed with the cows, then wouldn’t he be a pastor out standing in his pasture?


41 posted on 04/28/2014 6:01:33 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Wicket

Yeah, I’m keeping an eye on my pastors. The youth pastor didn’t seem to have a problem with the Islamic pledge of faith being taught in schools or having the students say it. My daughter’s 6th grade teacher, who is the wife of a minister, supports communism/May Day Rioters and Barrack Obama. I wonder where her discernment is.


42 posted on 04/28/2014 6:21:54 PM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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To: Vigilanteman
If the preacher man went out there and posed with the cows, then wouldn’t he be a pastor out standing in his pasture?

With all those cows, he might be standing in more than just a pasture.

43 posted on 04/28/2014 7:11:14 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: cableguymn

Good grief.
More confirmation that my decision to abandon the UMC was the correct one.


44 posted on 04/29/2014 7:33:55 AM PDT by iceskater (Enjoy your chains, comrades.)
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To: fwdude

The only reason the UMC hasn’t gone all Sodom and Gomorrah is the UMC churches in Africa and South America are conservative. They are the ones standing in the gap. But the UMC in North America is lost.


45 posted on 04/29/2014 7:36:29 AM PDT by iceskater (Enjoy your chains, comrades.)
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To: iceskater

Do you know anything about the “Wesleyan” church groups? Not sure how affiliated they are with the Methodist groups, since they have the same founding figure. From what I’ve read, they are what the United Methodists used to be many decades ago.


46 posted on 04/29/2014 7:44:13 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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No, I sure don’t. I’m not sure there are any in my area.
I’ve joined an Anglican church. I’ve been really happy there. But I am a bit of a traditionalist so the liturgy is very comforting to me.

But when the Anglicans go all Sodom and Gomorrah, I’ll probably have to find another option.


47 posted on 04/29/2014 7:47:52 AM PDT by iceskater (Enjoy your chains, comrades.)
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To: Hoodat
Sounds like we go to the same church.

God's own blessings upon you and your house!

48 posted on 04/29/2014 11:53:11 AM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: Vigilanteman

New symbol of the left: one gold calf.


49 posted on 04/30/2014 9:52:52 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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