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Whole Foods Quackery
Above the Market ^ | 04/29/2014

Posted on 04/29/2014 8:03:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Fortune has a puff piece out on Whole Foods Market (WFM, a stock in which I have no interest and no intended interest), the up-scale purveyor of excellent prepared food, overpriced groceries with multiple claimed but unsubstantiated benefits, phony health remedies, and the oxymoronic concept of “healthy indulgence.” It made its reputation by pushing healthier living and selling food that doesn’t contain the pesticides and additives that are often staples of “regular” food.

The Whole Foods approach has worked in that its share price is up about 12-fold since its November 2008 recession-era low versus 130 percent for the S&P 500 index. “Great brands impose a view on you,” WFM consultant Kevin Kelley says, and Whole Foods is no exception. “One of the faults that traditional groceries have is they believe the customer is always right.” Today, Whole Foods has a list of 78 banned ingredients, ranging from aspartame to foie gras to high-fructose corn syrup. You may want a Coke, but you can’t get one at Whole Foods.

However, when I took a look at the ingredients that provided Whole Foods its success, the whole thing became far less appetizing. The Whole Foods emphasis on “natural” foods is obviously silly. There is no such thing as non-natural food. Moreover, at least in the United States, it has no consistent meaning. Indeed, the federal Food and Drug Administration explicitly discourages the food industry from using the term. But that doesn’t stop Whole Foods. After all, it’s working.

Oh that a bit of silliness were the only problem. Despite broad scientific consensus that genetically modified food poses no greater health risks than other types of food, Whole Foods says it will require all its vendors to label products with GMOs by 2018 and suggests (at least by inference) that such food isn’t really good for you. Whole Foods would also have you believe that organic produce (which is, not so coincidentally, much more expensive than “regular” produce) will help you stay healthier, even though a major study published in the Annals of Internal Medicine (nicely summarized here) examining hundreds of scientific studies over many years found no evidence of health benefits from organic foods. “There’s a definite lack of evidence,” emphasizes Crystal Smith-Spangler of the Stanford University School of Medicine and an author of the study.

But these issues aren’t all that much to be really upset about. If people want to overpay for something they think will make them healthier, the fact that it doesn’t isn’t too big of a deal. Nobody’s getting hurt and people are stupid all the time. However, the Whole Foods story gets still worse – much worse.

As reported by Michael Schulson in The Daily Beast, Whole Foods pitches homeopathic remedies (such as homeopathic remedies for allergies, homeopathic remedies for colds and flu, Boiron homeopathic medicines and even cures for cancer) as well as other foods and “drugs” that make medical claims that are simply false. Homeopathy is, after all, pure quackery. Whole Foods also sells probiotics — live bacteria given to (allegedly) treat and prevent disease – but it’s a total scam: “If you are a normal human, with a normal diet, save your money. Probiotics have nothing to offer but an increased cost.”

Phony claims such as these are far more damaging than simply pushing “natural” and organic foods. That’s because such fake remedies often cause people to forego substantive medical care that might actually help. For example, such an approach may well have cost Steve Jobs his life, to his obvious regret.

Sadly, it isn’t just customers who have fallen for the Whole Foods hype. “They’re a leading national authority on health and nutrition,” says BB&T Capital Markets analyst Andrew Wolf, “and unequivocally the leading retailer on the link between food and health.” As if.

My friend Josh Brown even fell for the WFM nonsense: “There’s a lesson in the Whole Foods brand that I think carries a great example for my organization and possibly yours as well: The customers are not always right and, more importantly, they sometimes wants [sic] to be told what’s best for them and to have harmful options taken away from within their grasp.” Unfortunately, what customers are told is all too frequently in error and obviously bad for them, as Whole Foods so aptly demonstrates.

Happily, I have every confidence that Josh is doing right by his clients. And I completely agree with Josh’s conclusion: “Zealous advocacy is not fascism, and steering a customer away from something they don’t need or shouldn’t want is just as important as the actual suggestions you are making.” But Whole Foods is far from a good example of “doing [what] is superior and in the clients’ best interest.” In fact, Whole Foods should be a cautionary tale rather than an exemplar.

Maybe there really is a sucker born every minute and Whole Foods will continue to survive and even thrive despite its bogus marketing. But I’d like to think that truth will out, at least eventually.


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1 posted on 04/29/2014 8:03:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I have no quarrel with Whole Foods. At least there is competition, and I purchase from both Whole Foods and the competition depending upon my whims.

Methinks we should direct our ire at pure unadulterated scientific incompetance. The EPA is a good start. If one were to sum the entire IQ of that squalid organization, we’d probably still be to the right of the decimal point.

And - of course - the congress that caused this collection of cretins to come into existance is even lower on the intelligence scale. (Statement of the obvious, obviously.)


2 posted on 04/29/2014 8:08:11 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

Even more overpriced than their stock is their merchandise. Seems that if you slap an organic sticker on something that gives you the right to double or triple the price. There is no proof that organic foods are healthier than non-organic foods.

In our area Whole Foods seem no diffrent than Democrat Party HQ. All the Priuses with BHO bumperstickers in the parking lot. A huge gathering spot for all of the local liberals and environmental extremists.


3 posted on 04/29/2014 8:09:55 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Da Coyote

I don’t know if it’s the chain or just the local franchisee, but Whole Foods here in Virginia took a lot of flack for standing up for pro-life politicians.

But I don’t shop there anyway. Waaaayyyy to expensive.


4 posted on 04/29/2014 8:09:57 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

I like that they try and use local produce, in our store the organic is only about 10% more.
And merchandise? Why would you buy that at a market?


5 posted on 04/29/2014 8:13:31 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: dangus

Their customer base leans very left, and it’s almost a religion for them. But the owner doesn’t appear down with the agenda. He fought obamacare hard and has rumbled with the unions as well.


6 posted on 04/29/2014 8:15:58 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: svcw

They are by far the expensive market in our area. You can save much more shopping at Wal-Mart.


7 posted on 04/29/2014 8:16:04 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: dead

I like the founder. It’s his customers and employees who are way out there.


8 posted on 04/29/2014 8:17:16 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: SeekAndFind

The beauty of the free market:
If you don’t like it, or their policies, don’t shop there.

Some of us are blessed enough to have the resources to be nearly infinitely picky about what goes into or on our bodies; others don’t care.

the author is free to think ‘silly’ what they want to, just as I am free to pretty much only eat locally grown, organic food from within a 25 mile radius and use personal care products that cost as much as a tank of gas for my Chevy V8 :-). For my body, nothing goes into it that I don’t know ever last detail of how and where it was made, other people are perfectly happy eating any old crap and spend as much on things like kids, TV, cell phones or movies as I do on gourmet cooking :-) But no kids, no debts and two houses paid for, Whole Paycheck, as I call it, is pretty much the only place I shop besides the farmer’s markets and the CSA boxes (Community Supported Agriculture).

Freedom is wonderful


9 posted on 04/29/2014 8:20:05 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

“In our area Whole Foods seem no diffrent than Democrat Party HQ. All the Priuses with BHO bumperstickers in the parking lot. A huge gathering spot for all of the local liberals and environmental extremists.”

Sounds like the Whole Pay Check in our area.

We shop at some of the stores around Whole Pay Check, and enviral whacko warriors are all ways around Whole Pay Check trying get signatures for some enviral whacko program.

One day there were 3 of them, and they were aggressive. I told them I never sign petitions on sidewalks as they end up costing me tax $’s.

One of the thugs got upset, and challenged me. I asked him why in Californiacator land did they need any enviral petitions, when they had Moonbeam as governor, both legislative bodies in Sacaremento and the president in their pockets. He actually grinned and stepped away.


10 posted on 04/29/2014 8:20:23 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: SeekAndFind

LOL!

One of my dear little students gave me a $15.00 gift card to Whole Foods.

I was able to but a pint of feta cheese and some crackers and had to make up the difference in cash.

It was quite tasty, but, come on!


11 posted on 04/29/2014 8:20:31 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: SeekAndFind

A certain segment of the population seems to be attracted to an “elite shopping experience” with all its extra costs. There’s a sense of heightened superiority associated with being able to partake of an indulgence and enjoy one’s ability to spend more for perceived quality.

In short, there’s a huge psychological component to a lot of our shopping habits. Upscale stores understand and exploit this concept very well.


12 posted on 04/29/2014 8:20:48 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: SeekAndFind

What a pathetic mix of untruths this article contains. Of course there’s a difference between, say, natural and artificial blueberry flavoring.

That broad consensus on GMOs is about as uniform as the agreement on climate change. There haven’t been any long-term tests, but it is known that GMOs cause significant health problems in laboratory animals.

That study on the merits of organic foods was bogus too, since it only addressed differences in nutrients, not the differences in pesticide and herbicide exposure.

Probiotics are gaining respect in the medical world, and they are of significant value once a course of antibiotics has disrupted the healthy yeasts and bacteria in the digestive system.

Sure, there are some products that Whole Foods and other health food stores sell that will likely ultimately be proven to be of no benefit for various health conditions—just as some traditional medicines will likely be discredited.

But if people want to buy organic, non-GMO and other specific foods, this is a free country and WF ought to be free to sell what the customer would like to buy.

What a sorry article!


13 posted on 04/29/2014 8:20:59 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: dangus

“Waaaayyyy to expensive.”
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There’s a reason Whole Foods is often sarcastically referred to as ‘Whole Paycheck’. I have a friend who works for one up near Portland, and she openly told me, “It’s for rich people who want to think they’re doing something good and show off their Prius or their fixie bike in the parking lot. Hipster central.”

LOL.


14 posted on 04/29/2014 8:21:29 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: RedStateRocker

Exactly.


15 posted on 04/29/2014 8:21:42 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

We call it WHole Check instead of Whole Food


16 posted on 04/29/2014 8:22:02 AM PDT by rey
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To: Starboard

Yep, that too.


17 posted on 04/29/2014 8:22:19 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Grampa Dave

I live in CA. I know what you mean.

These bastards now force us to carry around shopping bags in our car. They make you pay for them now if you forget. And they started this crap at Whole Foods before they started putting it into effect (by force of law) in other supermarkets as well.


18 posted on 04/29/2014 8:23:46 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: svcw
My own experience with an upscale market (Not Whole Foods, but Central Market, a division of HEB) is similar. Last summer in Fredericksburg, Texas, I bought sliced roast beef at the deli counter for $10 per pound. I live in the DFW area, where HEB has not yet entered, but Central Market has a presence. The same brand of roast beef at the Fredericksburg HEB was $13 at the Central Market deli counter.

I believe in the free market, but also in caveat emptor. I won't dispute or agree with the arguments that organic foods are healthier than non-organic. However, I have observed that there are fewer obese people in the Whole Foods, Sprouts, and Trader Joes than in the Albertsons and Wal-Marts.

19 posted on 04/29/2014 8:25:09 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Many times the “organic” produce is cheaper than non-organic at the HEB Stores in Houston.


20 posted on 04/29/2014 8:25:50 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: RedStateRocker
For my body, nothing goes into it that I don’t know ever last detail of how and where it was made

Bingo! But even at a Farmer's Market, how do you know they are telling the truth?

21 posted on 04/29/2014 8:27:08 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Not here. The organic sticker is almost a license to steal in my area.


22 posted on 04/29/2014 8:27:23 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Seems that if you slap an organic sticker on something that gives you the right to double or triple the price.

***********

Bingo! A simple sticker boosts profits. It no wonder that their share price is up about 12-fold since its November 2008.

That’s a business model you have to love. ;)


23 posted on 04/29/2014 8:27:23 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: SeekAndFind

I love Whole Foods. Yes, it’s a bit expensive for me now that I’m on a fixed income, but once in a great while I will treat myself. The Whole Foods in my area has some really fresh produce, unlike some of the local supermarkets where fruit and vegetables lay around for days and weeks. And this particular store is perpetually crowded, even at 10 at night. It does a brisk business. Can’t fault Whole Foods for that.


24 posted on 04/29/2014 8:28:10 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: dead
Their customer base leans very left

And what about the staff there?! The one I very rarely go to has staff with multiple piercings, ugly tattoos, and "paraphernalia" dangling from their ears and noses that make you think they're from deepest Africa or the Amazon jungle.
25 posted on 04/29/2014 8:29:09 AM PDT by plsvn
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To: FatherofFive

There are limits, but also having lived in the same house for 45 of my 52 years, I can say I know this area well. Very well. I could take you to over half of the farms that sell there on a bike ride.

Yeah, I sometimes spend 5,6 hours and $75 cooking dinner for just my wife and myself, maybe 6-8 courses, two bottles of wine, two Verdi operas or one by Wagner. Other people would spend the same money, time and intoxicants going to a football game, concert or taking the family camping. Since I live in an incredible area for food I don’t even think of Whole Foods as being particularly ‘upscale’ or special, more like the bottom of acceptable quality; but then I try to reverse engineer entire meals from French Laundry the way I figure out bass and guitar parts from King Crimson :-)


26 posted on 04/29/2014 8:34:46 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: SeekAndFind
...overpriced groceries with multiple claimed but unsubstantiated benefits, phony health remedies, and the oxymoronic concept of “healthy indulgence.”

I've found some organic veggies & fruits to taste better than non-organic. Of course, the same is mostly true when I buy from a farmer's market, too.

Also, I've been cutting down on processed foods with endless ingredients, preservatives & massive amounts of unnecessary sugar. Whole Foods helps with that.

I couldn't care less about what the other shoppers & employees think, wear, etc.

27 posted on 04/29/2014 8:36:24 AM PDT by gdani (Every day, your Govt surveils you more than the day before)
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To: SeekAndFind
“There’s a lesson in the Whole Foods brand that I think carries a great example for my organization and possibly yours as well: The customers are not always right and, more importantly, they sometimes wants [sic] to be told what’s best for them and to have harmful options taken away from within their grasp.” Unfortunately, what customers are told is all too frequently in error and obviously bad for them, as Whole Foods so aptly demonstrates.

PFL

28 posted on 04/29/2014 8:44:37 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: SeekAndFind
There is no such thing as non-natural food

There are however highly processed 'foods' such as HFCS which have no food value and which are arguably poisonous.

There is also modern wheat. For all of its benefits as a crop it is no longer the 'staff of life' - modern dwarf-wheat processed into white flour is responsible for chronic digestive and inflammatory illnesses.

29 posted on 04/29/2014 8:44:40 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: RedStateRocker
Yeah, I sometimes spend 5,6 hours and $75 cooking dinner for just my wife and myself,

Time & treasure well spent. When I make bolognese sauce it is a 7 hour deal. Usually takes 2 bottles of wine - not counting the one in the sauce! I make my own sausage. I don't understand how people can go to McDonalds for 'food'

But knowing the source of foods is so critical.

30 posted on 04/29/2014 8:45:09 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Da Coyote
I have no quarrel with Whole Foods

I wish we had one around here. They have a great variety of pure foods, and are very concerned about freshness of their products. For breads, cheeses and a quality salad bar, the regular grocery stores don't come close. Not for everything, but for some things, Whole Foods meets an important need.

31 posted on 04/29/2014 8:50:11 AM PDT by grania
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To: SeekAndFind
Despite broad scientific consensus that genetically modified food...

That was as far as I needed to go in order to know that that guy isn't credible. Go peddle that nonsense with the global warming idiots where science is done by consensus at government agencies and government approved schools.

If people want to eat food from plants soaked in Roundup, I will fight for their right to do so. I just don't expect to hear any static from them if I don't.

32 posted on 04/29/2014 8:50:36 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: agere_contra
modern dwarf-wheat processed into white flour is responsible for chronic digestive and inflammatory illnesses

I believe that grains cause the scaring of the arteries that result in cholesterol buildup and subsequent heart disease. I have cut grains out of my diet. No Grains. No Sugar. No processed foods. Eat only foods that come without a list of ingredients.

And when I say no, I really mean except on rare occasion. I truly enjoy a fine chocolate and an occasional piece of bread. But I dropped 45 lbs and 4 inches of belly fat with my diet.

33 posted on 04/29/2014 8:55:23 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have switched over to Whole Foods recently.

The EBT crowd has taken over my local supermarkets and it is hard to watch as the SNAP cards come out for carts of groceries that I have to pay for.

The pay point even has an EBT designation now along with debit card, credit card, etc. That was the breaking point for me.

I haven’t seen an EBT card in Whole Foods yet.

Yes, it’s expensive, but worth the price IMO, and my car hasn’t been broken into as cars have at my old supermarket.


34 posted on 04/29/2014 9:07:49 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (The dogs bark; the caravan moves on!)
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To: RedStateRocker
the author is free to think ‘silly’ what they want to, just as I am free to pretty much only eat locally grown, organic food from within a 25 mile radius and use personal care products that cost as much as a tank of gas for my Chevy V8 For my body, nothing goes into it that I don’t know ever last detail of how and where it was made, other people are perfectly happy eating any old crap and spend as much on things like kids, TV, cell phones or movies as I do on gourmet cooking :-) But no kids, no debts and two houses paid for, Whole Paycheck, as I call it, is pretty much the only place I shop besides the farmer’s markets and the CSA boxes (Community Supported Agriculture). Freedom is wonderful

hear, hear! i love your post! i am very much the same way... i like Whole Foods for many reasons... if i were to add anything to my tagline, i would add that i spend money on excellent ingredients... i love to cook, i love to feed my friends and family and i care very much about what i put into my body--my temple... and i love having the freedom to spend my money on such things :)

35 posted on 04/29/2014 9:08:58 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Starboard

It reminds me of the 80’s yuppies who just HAD TO move into a downtown loft and shop at the swank stores and grocery outlets in the area.

Really? I mean, I pay less for MORE square footage, I can see the stars at night (without a city-wide blackout) and my produce is mostly from a LOCAL farmer’s market (if not from my own garden...when I have the time to put one out)! I get fresh raw milk not 8 miles from my house and, although I like most of my neighbors, their doors are all more than 150’ from mine (and personally, I feel that is still too close)!

But, hey, they just HAD to have that up-n-coming lifestyle. Whereas, most people that I have met who grew up in that type of environment, are BEGGING to get to at least the suburbs and some even clamor for the rural life!


36 posted on 04/29/2014 9:12:27 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: 9YearLurker
Probiotics are gaining respect in the medical world, and they are of significant value once a course of antibiotics has disrupted the healthy yeasts and bacteria in the digestive system.

This point stuck in my craw too. I came back from a vacation last year with severe food poisoning, my cousin, who was with me on the trip, ended up hospitalized. (we were in Vancouver, BTW). I thought my insides were turning inside and out it was so bad.

I finally went to my doctor about 2 weeks later because I still felt terrible. She said my ribs had been thrown out of alignment from the "reversal of fortune" -- she also suggested I take a probiotic and a few tablespoons of Gatorade mixed with water to replace what I'd lost from the complete purging of my intestinal tract. I'd never even heard of probiotics at that time.

I took her advice and with a day felt 100% better and have sworn by probiotics ever since (not Gatorade, though, doc told me it should never be drunk full strength and even then only by athletes who sweat a lot. I can't stand the taste of the stuff so it's not a problem.

Yes, the free market IS wonderful: If you don't like Whole Foods, don't shop there. What could be easier??

37 posted on 04/29/2014 9:18:11 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (The dogs bark; the caravan moves on!)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
You can save much more shopping at Wal-Mart.

as far as grocery shopping, i shop at Wal-Mart for only certain grocery items, like Chobani or Fage plain Greek yogurt, Gold Peak unsweetened iced tea and Rex-Goliath cabernet... going to gourmet markets and farmers markets is more like an event for me that i enjoy... much like someone would enjoy getting mani-pedis, facials or massages...

38 posted on 04/29/2014 9:18:40 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: FatherofFive

Sounds like the Atkins Diet to me, which is low carb.

I gave my brother a copy of the last Atkins book for Christmas one year (he acted a bit insulted but as he is about 60 or more lbs. overweight with high blood pressure and sleep apnea, I am VERY concerned). The low-carb diet works wonders for me.

Next time I saw my brother, about 2 months later, he was about 45 lbs. lighter (mostly from losing fluid, his doctor told him, but that is great too)— AND, he was off his high blood pressure meds. He also said he wasn’t falling asleep while driving like he used to and had TONS more energy.

His doc told him he didn’t agree with the low carb diets but to keep up with whatever he was doing because it was WORKING.


39 posted on 04/29/2014 9:22:59 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (The dogs bark; the caravan moves on!)
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To: plsvn
And what about the staff there?!

the ones i have shopped at have very happy employees... they all seem to love working for Whole Foods... to me, it is evident...

40 posted on 04/29/2014 9:23:43 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: SeekAndFind

The grocery chain where I have shopped for years is expanding the “Health Market” section in their stores where they sell those over priced organic products. The profit margins on these products are huge so grocery chains are eager to cash in. I can’t believe that people are willing to pay $6 per gallon for “organic” milk or $1 per pound for “organic” bananas especially when study after study shows there is absolutely no health advantage and we are all struggling with higher prices on regular food.


41 posted on 04/29/2014 9:25:08 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Wallace T.
That's because they can't afford to eat much at WF :-)

More seriously: the White Hut was trumpeting reduced childhood obesity rates as though it were an effect of their policies: it isn't, it's an effect of the massive food price inflation we've had the past few years.

42 posted on 04/29/2014 9:37:52 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: SeekAndFind

At Whole Foods all I buy is French blue cheese and the 70% cocoa Icelandic chocolate bars. It’s expensive but I’m worth it.


43 posted on 04/29/2014 9:41:56 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Bon of Babble

Nice story re: your brother!

And since you follow the diet yourself, I don’t see it as insulting.


44 posted on 04/29/2014 9:42:47 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Bon of Babble
We see EBT cards in our Whole Foods. Particularly began noticing them sometime around the beginning of 2009. (I think a lot more businesses began accepting EBT then.)

It's an option (LoneStar card, here in TX) on the the CC swiper, at WF and the other grocery stores we shop.

45 posted on 04/29/2014 9:46:26 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: 9YearLurker
" but it is known that GMOs cause significant health problems in laboratory animals."

I've seen the studies and the pics: stuff any animal until it's 50% past its optimal body mass on a uniform diet and it will get sick-- there's a high correlation between fat and cancer inducing metabolic changes.

All the food we eat has thousands of organic compounds that have never been tested: at the least GMO stuff _has_ been tested and someone actually knows what its genetic structure is.

There are also many foods (organic or not) that are toxic if not properly prepared (potatoes and rhubarb, for example).

I'm much more concerned about the antibiotics and hormones in dairy and meat, which is why I prefer organic milk and meat (which I can find at not much of a premium over the regular stuff where I live).

I also find it tastes better and has much longer shelf life.

46 posted on 04/29/2014 9:53:42 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: Jane Long

Anyone using an EBT card at Whole Foods is going to see his balance go down or run out - and quickly...


47 posted on 04/29/2014 9:55:59 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (The dogs bark; the caravan moves on!)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Even more overpriced than their stock is their merchandise. Seems that if you slap an organic sticker on something that gives you the right to double or triple the price. There is no proof that organic foods are healthier than non-organic foods.

But as long as people are gullible enough to buy it, it's not over-priced.

48 posted on 04/29/2014 10:00:21 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: pierrem15

Agreed on the shelf life of the organic milk/meat. We get organic milk on markdown for ~ the price of regular name brand milk. Even if the use by date is that day we usually have a week or 10 days past that before it turns. The exception is the 0% milk. That’s only 3 or 4 days past the use by date before it turns.

My kids eat organic meats, hubby and I try to IF we can find it on special often enough.


49 posted on 04/29/2014 10:13:44 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: pierrem15

Testing GMOs in animals is pretty simple: some critters get fed the GMO foods and some get the non-GMO foods.

We’re not talking about giving animals thousands of times the normal exposure to some obscure chemical.


50 posted on 04/29/2014 11:12:32 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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