Skip to comments.Beck requesting nonviolence
Posted on 04/29/2014 8:52:21 AM PDT by wastoute
Well, I will do it if no one else will. Beck is imploring us to drop the hate and anger.
First, I don't believe it was anger in my heart that made me want to rush to Bundy's side upon learning SWAT teams were terrorizing him and his family. I do believe it was love for my grandchildren and their posterity than made me consider putting my life on the line.
I do believe that nonviolence requires several things to work. Ghandi knew his "audience" was the folks back in England who would find violence against him and his abhorrent. MLK knew the Christians of America in the early 60s would see the tactics of the Bull Conners abhorrent. Certainly, my parents did. So AN HONEST MEDIA is the first requirement of non violent resistance. Second, an authority that will respond to the passions stirred by that honest media. Anybody wanna place their grandchildren's lives in the hands of this regime?
I don't know which media Beck thinks will fulfill the first requirement. I know this is what he is trying to do with The Blaze I I love him for it. I pray for his success daily. I doubt his effort has enough momentum to carry this freight. As to the second requirement, see above. Would you trust the folks in DC with your grandchildren?
Our Saviour asked us to "be wise as serpents and harmless as doves". He asked us to love our enemies. At the same time allowing murder and corruption to continue is "conspiring to commit murder and corruption".
If I could be convinced there was a chance for nonviolent resistance to prevent another Waco or Ruby Ridge I would be all for it. At the same time I will not see another Waco and do nothing.
The question is:
Is this Beck’s way of saying “Keep your powder dry” or is this his way of saying “Better to Capitulate than to instagate” ?
Glenn is bipolar. Pay him no mind.
Glenn calls for patriotism and then tells people to back down when patriotism shows up. He needs to make up his mind.
I think he needs to go rest somewhere. Listening to him is stressful.
Beck has turned himself into a no-entity who’s in love with himself.
All the violence in this situation came from the BLM agents who tasered and set dogs on protesters. This was after they set up fenced in “free-speech” zones.
What I think this is is Glenn Beck once again parroting talking-points coming straight from the White House. While you’re at it Glenn why not request that we not molest children, not beat our wives and not sell drugs at elementary schools?
So is Michael Savage a fake . Savage is a marxist just like news media reporters are not reporters but marxist propagandists
Was he crying or giggling when he said this?
I think he’s back drinking again.
. . . Let us now trace the apostle's reasoning in favor of submission to the higher powers, a little more particularly and exactly. For by this it will appear, on one hand, how good and conclusive it is, for submission to those rulers who exercise their power in a proper manner: And, on the other, how weak and trifling and unconnected it is, if it be supposed to be meant by the apostle to show the obligation and duty of obedience to tyrannical, oppressive rulers in common with others of a different character. The apostle enters upon his subject thus--Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers; for there is no power but of God: the powers that be, are ordained of God. Here he urges the duty of obedience from this topic of argument, that civil rulers, as they are supposed to fulfill the pleasure of God, are the ordinance of God.
But how is this an argument for obedience to such rulers as do not perform the pleasure of God, by doing good; but the pleasure of the devil, by doing evil; and such as are not, therefore, God's ministers, but the devil's! Whosoever, therefore, resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God; and they that resist, shall receive to themselves damnation. Here the apostle argues, that those who resist a reasonable and just authority, which is agreeable to the will of God, do really resist the will of God himself; and will, therefore, be punished by him.
But how does this prove, that those who resist a lawless, unreasonable power, which is contrary to the will of God, do therein resist the will and ordinance of God? Is resisting those who resist God's will, the same thing with resisting God? Or shall those who do so, receive to themselves damnation! For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good; and thou shalt have praise of the same. For he is the minister of God to thee for good...
Fascinating counterpoint to Mr Beck's pleadings - addresses many question I have, anyway. Entire speech available online.
This is Beck's way of saying "I am holier than thou."
Violence usually involves small numbers of participants and gives the government the edge, so should be the last resort.
However, the non-violent resistance must involve large numbers if it is to be successful. When the time comes, Americans must show the same intensity and bravery as Ghandi's people, as the Poles, as the citizens of Cairo. Government officials quake when large numbers demonstrate -- that's why the Dems fear the Tea Party so much.
Thank you. I am not prone to vanities but I felt compelled to respond.
I don’t see running to my neighbor’s house on fire to lend a hand as being motivated by hatred of fire.
Again, thanks for the eloquent refence. He describes our current regime pretty well.
Ghandi had the British fair play on his side.
Clive Bundy has the corrupt Harry Reid against him and he is willing to murder the family to get that land.
Over 200 armed men show up!
Violence is sometimes necessary. What is needed at this time is the consumption of more meat, militarism, with real fighting letting certain peoples know the time for play is over and governance is really a serious business.
uh oh ... Any idea where to find an honest media except at Free Republic?
Because that worked so well in the American revolution.
Warfare solves everything.
Beck is now a licensed concealed carry person in Texas. He would danrwell use it if his family or he was under attack. America is most definitely under attack by enemies domestic. Beck is just too sold out to the oligarchs’ pacifist agenda for control of the masses to tell you that straight. He serves a purpose for the oligarchs.
Initiating violence is a no-go.
Retaliating against that initiation with your own violence is MANDATORY.
King had the Panthers and other terrorists do his dirty work so he could keep his hands clean.
How’d that non-violent thing work out for the Jews?
Has he told the BLM, Dingy/Greedy Reid and the govt this, as well? Or is he just speaking to the plebs?
The threat of violence is coming from the government, not the patriots who showed up to prevent it.
Or, another way of stating it -
we’ll give up the option of violence when the gov’t does first.
He is a bit of a wimp
Beck has the Red Phone, but he doesn’t call out on it. He just waits for incoming calls from the administration.
What violence Beck?
There was no violence BECAUSE patriots showed up to defend Bundy.
Peace through strength, as Reagan used to say.
Yeah, I ‘m not seeing that happen any time soon.
Government loves being the bully.
Of course, the slaves were freed after five years of civil nonviolence from 1860 - 1865.
However, I see no reason that if the government is bound and determined to instigate violence that we must be dumb before them and counted as sheep for the slaughter. This strategy accomplishes nothing and given time could mean the end of the liberty that so many great America's have died for. Nonviolence is a noble strategy and it works well When the time comes are we to sacrifice not just land and livelihood, but our children and grand-children in the name of non-violence.
Look at the cemeteries and the memorials for the men who died defending this nation. They have passed down a great heritage of Freedom that is unlike anything any other people on earth have ever had.
That heritage is now our responsibly and history is upon us. I see no reason to limit the resources that should be used in its defense. Any government acting outside the constitutional authority against the people it is supposed to serve has no more authority to violate our rights than a band of desperados or a foreign army.
I ask you, did the men who lay in Arlington, VA die so we could willingly surrender the freedom they fought for? Did the boys of pointe du hoc die so we could decide not to pass on a free America to our children when many sacrificed everything to pass that heritage on to children they never met? Did the men in Valley Forge suffer so we could decide that what they fought for is simply too uncomfortable an undertaking?
As Patrick Henry said:"It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
Since Glenn Beck will never read this I say we pitch in and buy him a copy of Sergeant York.
That’s just Beck channeling Elmer Gantry again.
Beck is occasionally right, but only because it will serve his interests. He wants to sell books, subscriptions, videos, etc. and must keep his constituency happy. No one really wants violence, but violence made America an independent country, freed the slaves and stopped the Germans twice. If he’s a pacifist, he should say so. Then, we can write him off altogether.
All what you say is true, but I believe he is right this time. If we choose to fight with Bundy, we had better be prepared to go the whole way. I an sure there are not many who are more than ready.
There wasn’t any.
Because both sides made sure the other would get an unacceptable amount of it if they did go there.
I believe it should be used for defense; it should never be first or desired choice; for those that live by the sword will die by the sword.
I don’t totally agree with Beck—but I understand what he is talking about. He is talking about changing the hearts and minds of the people, first.....it is like William Wilberforce did to eliminate slavery in England, which took 20 years of hard work and educating the masses, and he is trying to affect “culture”—the ideology of the masses. How the masses perceive Reality.
It involves invading the media-—and taking over movie production, TV programming and the schools, returning to Classical Education and returning local control of schools to parents. It is about retaking Popular Culture.
The masses have been brainwashed and dumbed-down, since forever—in a very powerful “Edward Bernays” fashion.
That is why Beck is trying to set up a studio and create movies, that which affects the “emotions” and “thinking” of children and adults. You have to win the majority and people have been so corrupted by the lies and misinformation (White Noise) and lack of Classical ideology-—that they are ignorant and only react to ‘emotion’ which is extremely dangerous.
This is a powder-keg. The Framers of the Constitution were the most well-read, educated people (and brilliant), and what they did was NOT based on emotion, but on Reason, and debate of a decade, at least. They tried to reason with an insane King, even.
But, at its heart, was a collection of men who were the most brilliant and well-read in all of history. They were products of the Enlightenment (Reason—not emotions). Most Americans were very independent-minded, and had Common Sense (Virtue), since they would die, if they had none.
They hated “dependency”.....which is the opposite of the masses today, who are lazy and lack Virtue, and are ignorant, and have absolutely no commonsense.
That said, the key in “change” is “education”. Beck is right on that. You have to “win” the hearts of the masses, which is very tricky in today’s environment of Psychology/drugs. Armed resistance can be used against us, because of the Leftist total control of MSM, most Information. It is pretty absolute right now—more so than Goebbels’ Germany, because people in Germany KNEW they were lied to....most people in America “think” they hear the “truth” and are too lazy and distracted by entertainment to seek it.
Look how they destroyed Bundy in a matter of a day....and made him into something evil and radical in the minds of MOST people. Yes, the informed understand the issues, but the majority are useful idiots....have been trained in public schools to be such idiots.
Beck is about changing the minds of the masses; To create Virtue (because as Socrates stated there can be no Free Republic without Virtue.)
Beck is afraid that an armed rebellion will end up like a Waco and at this point, he is probably correct....it will NOT lead to a Revolution like at our Founding. The masses are too dumb and too immoral (lazy) and are controlled by the mass media which is controlled by our government.
We need to educate and take back the institutions and it will take time and hard work and real sacrifice. It took 100 years for the Left to entrench themselves...we can not undo this damage in a minute, because of the mindset in all the useful idiots and their control of information.
I agree. I do wonder why if Beck is so very focused on being kind, loving and Christian...why does he do the Friday Moron Trivia?
Me? I'm gonna kick the tar out of that bully the moment he lays a hand on me and steal HIS lunch money as a lesson to all other bullies.
Dear Mr. Beck, Ghandi would not have won the revolutionary war. . .
Glenn Beck has morphed into an ego maniac with a messianic complex. This isn’t India and Beck ain’t Ghandi.
Beck is pushing complete passivity. At this point I am somewhat convinced he may well be a govt judas goat. There is only one way we are going to get our constitutional republic back. That is to take it back.
Well, remember, this IS the guy who sat by while he and his family were accosted in Bryant Park, and someone kicked a glass of wine into his wife’s back. He said the next day he decided to turn the other cheek and love them....
I’m not “that guy” I guess.
I do not turn cheeks...
he went into one of these looney spells last year where he told his listeners if the government makes gun ownership illegal and comes to collect all the guns from your home ...let them have the guns, go to jail and call a lawyer...he said because the second amendment guarantees your right to have guns, people will eventually see you are right and everything will be ok ..
now he’s gone into complete pacifist mode, nothing anyone does requires a response other than “linking arms and marching”
I always wonder how a guy like Beck that claims to be so brilliantly “self educated” supports the second amendment...yet says their is no reason to ever resist with anything other than chanting kumbaya and taking a walk with a bunch of other people.....that amendment didn’t say you have the right “to keep and bare pair of marching boots around in case the country is in trouble”
I don’t believe in starting or participating in any kind of violence either, but there is a time and a place to take a stand against tyranny ...there’s a difference between standing up and fighting back and instigating or participating in violence..... I’m not going down on my knees in some peace march with good old Glenn...and that goof tries to make himself out to be a Texan ..good lord
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