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Can The NBA really ban LA Clippers-owner Donald Sterling from any and/or all NBA games?
4/30/2014 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 04/30/2014 1:03:10 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

If and when Sterling becomes an ex-owner of the Los Angeles Clippers, how can the NBA keep him from attending a Bulls-Knicks game in Chicago, for example, if he walks in just like everyone else?

If Sterling can be banned, can some person who posts racially-charged epithets online on whatever online media platform be identified by the NBA as an "undesirable" - a persona non grata - and summarily "banned" from all NBA games?

Are we now in the age where the owner of a "restaurant" who said no to blacks eating in his restaurant is booted out, his restaurant bought, and then he is banned from eating in that "restaurant?"

But Adam Silver's desire seems, seems to go beyond wanting him banned from just that one "restaurant."

Banned from ALL NBA "restaurants?"

Can one hunt monsters and become a monster?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Sports
KEYWORDS: adamsilver; california; clippers; donaldsterling; donsterling; losangeles; losangelesclippers; naacp; nba; rochellesterling; scandals; sterling; tyranny; vanessastiviano

1 posted on 04/30/2014 1:03:10 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

Can they?


2 posted on 04/30/2014 1:03:33 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I believe the ticket stub says something like they reserve the right to refuse service. They can ban fans who get caught throwing bottles or fighting in the stands.


3 posted on 04/30/2014 1:05:13 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The guy doesn’t seem like much of a monster IMO.


4 posted on 04/30/2014 1:05:19 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I’ve been basically making the same argument on another thread.

There are many here who refuse to see.


5 posted on 04/30/2014 1:06:21 PM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Yes, they do it all the time for people who run onto the field/court during games.


6 posted on 04/30/2014 1:06:24 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Can they?

You bet they can.
7 posted on 04/30/2014 1:06:50 PM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: mmichaels1970; All

A ban based upon the “right to service” for fighting in a previous arena - that I can see.

But how can someone be banned for being a racist?

What next, banned for being an adulterer, an alcoholic, an ex-con, someone covered in tattoos that the NBA doesn’t like, and so on?

How many sins can one be banned for?


8 posted on 04/30/2014 1:08:55 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

They can try, but Sterling might have some recourse in a court of law.


9 posted on 04/30/2014 1:10:22 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: driftdiver

A ban based upon “right to serve” based upon a person fighting in another arena - that I could see.

But a ban for being a racist?

What next, a ban for being supposedly “anti-Muslim” or being an adulterer, and alcoholic, ex-con?

What next?


10 posted on 04/30/2014 1:10:39 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

He owns a franchise in the NBA, he doesn’t own the NBA.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the NBA has language and authority to rescind a franchise award.
If you owned a McDonalds, could they rescind your franchise license if you started publicly attending Klan rallies and getting their name drug through the mud?


11 posted on 04/30/2014 1:10:49 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: TexasGunLover; All
How, legally?

If someone was banned because of fighting in another arena, that I could see.

But banned for being a racist?

What next, banned for adultery, drinking, smoking, being a supposed “anti-Muslim”, banned for being an ex-con?

What next?

12 posted on 04/30/2014 1:12:24 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
They should let him in, after frisking him for bananas.
13 posted on 04/30/2014 1:14:35 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort (If you have a Boehner lasting more than 23 years, seek immediate medical attention)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

He better not try watching them on TV, either! We’ll find out!


14 posted on 04/30/2014 1:14:52 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Ultimately it has to be this way. People have to feel the pain of their actions in order to learn from them. They refuse to think, so pain is the ultimate teacher.

I don’t mean Sterling and the NBA. I mean society. It has to have the PC police run riot and destroy it all. It has devolved into a hive mind mob because liberals took critical thinking and logic off the educational table in no small part in accordance with the 1963 communist goals.

It sucks for the people that do think before they act. It isn’t ‘fair’ or ‘just’ or anything like that. But it is the world we live in. And it will soon eat itself, then stand there looking for someone other than itself to blame.


15 posted on 04/30/2014 1:14:56 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Gunslingr3
Rescinding your license is one thing.

But they could not ban the previous franchise owner from EATING in a Mcdonald’s.

If Sterling were an owner of said McDonald's and he drug their name through the mud, rescinding his license would be one thing, but how could they tell him that he couldn't eat in a Mcdonald’s (after they stripped his license) in say Chicago - walking in and ordering a Big Mac like everyone else.

16 posted on 04/30/2014 1:15:08 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
As an owner he is currently a representative of the NBA. He probably signed some sort of "morals" clause when he purchased the team which basically said that if he ever became a disgrace to the league then he could be banned.

If he sells the team then he will no longer be a representative of the NBA. If he attends games without incident, then he should probably be OK, but the NBA might still decide that having cameras focused on him and broadcast over the airwaves might still be an affront and still kick him out.

Being a racist (or merely ethnocentric or whatever he is) is not currently a protected class so he could be kicked out and wouldn't have a legal foot to stand on.

17 posted on 04/30/2014 1:15:23 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Banned for being a low bar racist. Low Bar Racism is one of the highest sins in Secular society. However, from a christian standpoint, Sterlings words and actions barely raise to the level of a sin as in our personal lives we are able to freely choose who we associate or dont’ associate with.

Consequently, its a sin against the State, society or our secularist culture. But it doesnt meet the bar for a personal sin against God, ignoring the tawdry affair he’s involved with outside of his marriage.


18 posted on 04/30/2014 1:18:06 PM PDT by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Yes they can do it and we the people can refuse to support anything NBA too.

This is way over the top. This is a stupid man without a doubt but the reaction is not proportionate to the offense.

IT is time to turn the other cheek, turn our bodies, take our money, and walk away. Let us see just how long the welfare drawing food stamp collecting 13% minority black community of this country can support the outrageous money the NBA players get.

Reality is that the majority of this black minority does not have the money to buy the shoes that these super spoiled and rich ball players wear. Just how are they supposed to buy the tickets to the games or give the sponsors a good return on their advertising dollars?

The answer is they can not support the NBA without a big wad of white people cash.

We simply need to take all that money away and let them figure things out for themselves.

Stop and remember all the racial crap that the Rev Wright was yelling. That was all defended by at least one black NBA fan that I know of.

If you want equality then be equal. If you do not want to be equal with equal responsibilities then be gone and take care of yourself with your own dollars.

19 posted on 04/30/2014 1:20:09 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Citizen.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Free speech is dead. The man might be vermin or not, but all of us lose when one man is silenced.


20 posted on 04/30/2014 1:20:11 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

a ban for being christian, or maybe white.


21 posted on 04/30/2014 1:20:43 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: RBStealth
Sterlings words and actions barely raise to the level of a sin as in our personal lives we are able to freely choose who we associate or dont’ associate with.

Wee, there is that adultery thing. It's one of the big 10, while being a racist, or rather using racist language (they're not the same thing), doesn't even crack the list.

22 posted on 04/30/2014 1:22:41 PM PDT by chesley
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>Wee, there is that adultery thing.

OMG,reread what I wrote...the last sentence.


23 posted on 04/30/2014 1:24:59 PM PDT by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

He’s an asshole and he’s being shown the door. No different than a bouncer at a nightclub. He has the right to say whatever he wants, but people he does business with have the right to no longer want to associate themselves with him.


24 posted on 04/30/2014 1:30:21 PM PDT by arbitrary.squid
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

There is a hotel here in Santa Monica called the Shangri-La..its owned by a Pakistani millionaire..a few years ago the hotel was sued because an Israeli wanted to stay at the hotel, he was told by the Pakistani owner “We don’t want any Jews at this hotel” no one forced him out, no one forced him to sell it..its such a double standard..as far as Sterling selling the team, its not gonna happen, he should fight for his team its HIS team, maybe he can transfer the team to his wife or his daughter..otherwise he should pull the “If I go down I will take this team down with me” he has nothing left to lose


25 posted on 04/30/2014 1:32:19 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: lurk

I read today on Newsbusters that they want to start banning owners who are for traditional marriage..call me Nostradamus because I called that one days ago..you know how bad this is, even that Commie scum bag Bill Maher thinks this is wrong..doesn’t that schmuck own part of the Mets?


26 posted on 04/30/2014 1:34:13 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

27 posted on 04/30/2014 1:35:33 PM PDT by arbitrary.squid
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I think the fact that the tape was illegally recorded and illegally released has something to do with it. I’ve been tols that it has nothing to do with it, but I’m not convinced. The way I see it, Sterling is the victim of a crime. He’s an asshole, but he’s a private asshole, and what was released was done criminally and against his will. So how is he responsible for it? And if he’s not responsible, how did “he” break his morals clause with the NBA? In fact, how did the NBA not bring bad PR on itself by acting so precipitously, instead of having a quiet investigation?

For example, what if he claims that he used racist terminology against her on the phone to shame her for sleeping around on him. What if he claims that SHE is actually a racist, and is acting out in a self-loathing way by sleeping with black guys SHE believes are lesser people because of theier skin color. What if he then claims that he insulted her with HER OWN racism on the phone as a form of tough love, to snap her out of her own self-loathing behavior. And then what if he says that she released this tape out of context in a hateful reaction to him showing her her self-abusive activity - which was sleeping around, and not sleeping around with black guys. So he could claim that the problem with HER is that she’s a racist, and the phone call is being heard completely out of context.

See? That’s what I mean by it’s a PRIVATE phone call. It could be part of ANYTHING. And it was released by a woman who is being sued by Sterling for embezzling millions of dollars from him, so of course it is also suspect for that!

Morals clause or not, there is a procedure for investigating such things within the contract world. And you can be sure that Sterling’s lawyers are going to sue the NBA for publically slandering him, violating those procedures, and not performing a proper investigation which now cannot be doen because of the public shaming that denies him a forumn for reply or defense. The guy is a billionaire, he’s not going to take this sitting down.

The NBA acted stupidly and politically and turned on one of their own. And they did it to push the idea that people can be destroyed without due process for being called racists by a mob, without any opportunity to defend themselves. This is a left-wing showpiece play designed to push the destruction agenda of the Left, nothing less.

People need to wake up.


28 posted on 04/30/2014 1:50:52 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The next thing will be “thought police” in the country. I think this was overblown more than anything I can remember of late. Why is Jeremiah wright still allowed to preach at his “church” if this was offensive? Talk about hate speech, he has the market cornered on that issue.

Oh wait, he is one of holder’s people.


29 posted on 04/30/2014 1:59:53 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: TexasGunLover

Why would anyone want to pay money to watch pro basketball. I don’t even watch it free on TV.


30 posted on 04/30/2014 2:07:28 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: Talisker
What if he claims that SHE is actually a racist, and is acting out in a self-loathing way by sleeping with black guys SHE believes are lesser people because of their skin color.

She's part Black herself according to the media.

What if he then claims that he insulted her with HER OWN racism on the phone as a form of tough love, to snap her out of her own self-loathing behavior.

Well, no. If he's involved with a much younger part-Black part-Mexican woman and doesn't want her hanging around with Black men but doesn't object to her sleeping with them -- really, no way this becomes about her "racism" rather than his. You will hear a lot about her craziness and venality, but the race card isn't something Sterling will be able to play.

The NBA acted stupidly and politically and turned on one of their own. And they did it to push the idea that people can be destroyed without due process for being called racists by a mob, without any opportunity to defend themselves. This is a left-wing showpiece play designed to push the destruction agenda of the Left, nothing less.

For some people in the media this is a birthday gift or Christmas present -- something that they can use to support all the points they want to make. For some it may be kind of a pain. They have to keep saying over and over again how bad and horrible Sterling is so that nobody thinks that they approve of what he said. That gets exhausting after a while. For the NBA, that's something like 78% African-American -- they were going to decide this the way they did, left-wing agenda or not.

31 posted on 04/30/2014 2:10:26 PM PDT by x
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Yes. They can. Someone would have to recognize him and tell NBA security.

I don’t think Pete Rose goes to baseball games.


32 posted on 04/30/2014 2:11:33 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

We stopped watching NBA games years ago when we realized the officiating was rigged. This was before the NBA official came out and admitted it.


33 posted on 04/30/2014 2:15:05 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
What next?

Banned for supporting traditional marriage.
34 posted on 04/30/2014 2:15:07 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: lurk

This type of stuff happens every day in corporate America. People are fired for having affairs, inappropriate behavior, talking trash about their company, getting drunk at the office party...any one of a million reasons.

This happened to be on TMZ.

The first amendment is fine. The government cannot curtail free speech. That doesn’t mean companies cannot. They can, and they do every day. And 99.9% of the time it is a legitimate business decision.


35 posted on 04/30/2014 2:16:06 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Talisker

“This is a left-wing showpiece play designed to push the destruction agenda of the Left, nothing less.”

Yes indeed.


36 posted on 04/30/2014 2:21:39 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: mathurine

Panem et circenses (bread and circuses).


37 posted on 04/30/2014 2:30:40 PM PDT by abb
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Yes. Private businesses have the right to ban anyone for any reasons as long as it’s not sex, race, religion, disability (and apparently now sexual orientation). Let’s not compromise our principles for one idiot. Also, the tape might have been illegally obtained, but as far as we know the NBA has nothing to do with it, so they can use it as it is public knowledge. For an example, an employee of yours is caught with child porn on his computer, the case is thrown out on a technicality, can you fire him?


38 posted on 04/30/2014 2:37:16 PM PDT by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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To: Vermont Lt
35 This type of stuff happens every day in corporate America. People are fired for having affairs, inappropriate behavior, talking trash about their company, getting drunk at the office party...any one of a million reasons. ...

Can you say "Marge Schott" - MLB/NL/Cincinatti Reds?

39 posted on 04/30/2014 3:04:18 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Aren’t most of these arenas owned by the public, paid for with tax dollars, and a private citizen can be banned for freedom of speech occurring in his own home?


40 posted on 04/30/2014 5:38:58 PM PDT by zorkon128
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To: zorkon128

I did a bit of research, the Clippers play at an arena called the “Staples Center” which is privately owned by the Anschutz Group.

Perhaps some locals can comment on the extent of tax breaks.


41 posted on 04/30/2014 5:42:40 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
But they could not ban the previous franchise owner from EATING in a Mcdonald’s.

Why not? As a supporter of the freedom of association, I would want to respect the right of the McDonald's establishment to determine what individuals it will allow on their property.

If Sterling were an owner of said McDonald's and he drug their name through the mud, rescinding his license would be one thing, but how could they tell him that he couldn't eat in a Mcdonald’s (after they stripped his license) in say Chicago - walking in and ordering a Big Mac like everyone else.

The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.

I don't think a-holes have class protection yet under the law.

42 posted on 04/30/2014 8:13:09 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Seems like the fastest *investigation* in NBA history. Was there even an investigation?

Why haven’t they banned Jayz or Shaq for life? Equally offensive (content of character), yet they get a pass?


43 posted on 04/30/2014 8:31:38 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: x

I’m not saying that the story I made up is what Sterling would actually say. What I’m saying is that it was a private phone call, and the only person who is providing any context is the person getting sued by Sterling for embezzling millions of dollars from him. Life is weird, context is necessary, and the response of the NBA is so over-the-top draconian and idiotic and knee-jerk PC that I could make up any story and it would sound reasonable compared to the extremity of what is actually going on.


44 posted on 04/30/2014 9:11:19 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: RBStealth

Missed that.

I wonder, though, if Sterling was among the pack of hyenas that went after other people who made a true but careless statement?

Don’t know that he was, but my money would go that way.


45 posted on 05/01/2014 6:35:13 AM PDT by chesley
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To: chesley

sorry,I dont chat with strangers on the internet


46 posted on 05/01/2014 9:42:30 AM PDT by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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