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Could the NBA or an NBA team owner ban Louis Farrakhan from attending an NBA game?
4/30/2014 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 04/30/2014 3:28:04 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

Last thread on this subject:

If an NBA team owner said that he thought that certain statemnets from Louis Farrakhan were anti-Semitic or racially charged, did not want him to be the center of attention in his arena and have cameras and the media/televison's making a scene over him, could that NBA owner ban him from his arena?

Could the NBA ban Farrakhan? Would Larry Johnson want him to be banned?

I asked a question on another thread of mine and some said that the NBA could ban him.

I countered (when McDonald's was brought up) that if Sterling owned a Los Angeles McDonald's franchise, that McDonald's would be in their right to pull his ownership as it might taint their brand - but they could not ban him from coming into a McDonald's in Chicago and buying a Big Mac ike everyone else.

And so, how can Sterling be banned from going to see a Bulls-Knicks game in Chicago? Buying a ticket and sitting in a seat, and buying a burger and eating it in a seat in Mcdonald's - same thing, right?


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1 posted on 04/30/2014 3:28:04 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
How about Shaquile O'Neal?

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2 posted on 04/30/2014 3:29:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The NBA owners are the “NBA” Adam Silver simply works for them

So essentially the owners of the Bulls have said “you are banned from our arena”


3 posted on 04/30/2014 3:30:01 PM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
This is where the rubber meets the road, and where I was ultimately leading up to(a final 3rd thread on this subject) with my previous two threads on this topic.

What next, will the NBA ban people who advertise for E-cigarettes? The PC crowd doesn't care much for E-cigs. Can the NBA ban the Marlboro Man because he sends a bad message to kids?

What next, Tiger Woods banned right after his affairs came to light? Banned for bad behavior?

Where does it end?

4 posted on 04/30/2014 3:31:28 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

They could ban him from owning a team. But the games are public events, and anyone can attend a public event.


5 posted on 04/30/2014 3:32:01 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Ban Hussein.

Obama strives to be 'my brother’s keeper' (Caucasians excluded from Trayvon fund)

6 posted on 04/30/2014 3:32:28 PM PDT by Libloather (Embrace the suck)
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To: Hugin

NBA teams have the right to refuse entry to anyone at their events.


7 posted on 04/30/2014 3:32:45 PM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

It is the National Basketball Association, a private organization made up of 30 billionaires who employ another 360 players plus countless support staff.

They can ban whomever they want from their facilities for any reason


8 posted on 04/30/2014 3:33:44 PM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I snagged this from a freeper cant recall who cant find the link but he or she posed this
“Could an NBA owner vote NO on expelling Sterling, and NOT be expelled himself for doing so?”


9 posted on 04/30/2014 3:33:59 PM PDT by al baby (Hi MomÂ…)
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To: MadIsh32

So the NBA owners could ban Farrakhan?

And Tiger Woods lets say right after all that stuff came out on him, because he might create a scene if he showed up at an arena?

What about someone in the tabloids like Woody Allen?

What if they wanted to ban 50 cent right after the allegations came out on him beating up someone?

Where does it end?


10 posted on 04/30/2014 3:34:48 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: al baby

Sure, but at this point what NBA owner wants to have any associations with Sterling. It is bad for business, and the only color the owners (besides Sterling) care about is green


11 posted on 04/30/2014 3:35:17 PM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Wherever they want, they are a private organization.

For a “laissez-faire capitalist” you sure do have a high interest in the decisions made by a privately owned and managed organization.


12 posted on 04/30/2014 3:36:15 PM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: Hugin

So, Adam Silver, nor any owner or collectively the owners - they could not keep Sterling from attending a game, just like McDonald’s couldn’t keep a racist former McDonald’s franchise owner (hypothetically speaking) from coming in and buying a Big Mac.


13 posted on 04/30/2014 3:36:49 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Sure they can. Ted Leonsis, who owns the Wizards, can ban Sterling from his arena and facilities.


14 posted on 04/30/2014 3:38:11 PM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The NBA can ban him from every one of their facilities. But yes, he could probably pay cash for a ticket and walk in with a hat and sunglasses on. As an owner, he’s a representative of the NBA. He is subject to their rules.


15 posted on 04/30/2014 3:40:40 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

True.


16 posted on 04/30/2014 3:41:04 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I was in New York one afternoon and Louis Farrakhan’s goons were on a soapbox saying they had to kill the white man and fk their women. This is OZ to say because they are Amish?


17 posted on 04/30/2014 3:41:34 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: MadIsh32
You forget, Adam Smith was Laissez Faire, but he ALSO wrote “The Theory of Moral Sentiments.” He stated that you cannot separate capitalism from morality. And it is equally wrong, morally, to ban the former Los Angeles McDonald's franchise owner who was found out to be racist from coming in and buying a Big Mac in Chicago.
18 posted on 04/30/2014 3:41:41 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: MadIsh32

But, according to Adam Smith’s “Theory of Moral Sentiments” can one separate Capitalism from morality?

Adam Smith would say no. So read my post that I posted before this.

Is is morally wrong to not be forgiving.


19 posted on 04/30/2014 3:43:31 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Why is it morally wrong for a private business to ban someone who violates its agreements from entering its facility?

Is it morally wrong to ban someone from entering a restaurant if they are wearing no shirt and shoes?

Besides the whole “race, creed, gender, orientation” thing, if you violate the rules you can be banned from private property. Which both an NBA franchise is, as is a McDonalds in Chicago.


20 posted on 04/30/2014 3:44:00 PM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: thefactor

But when he becomes a non-owner, things change...


21 posted on 04/30/2014 3:44:08 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Look it comes down to this.

The NBA, a private organization, has a written contract that Sterling agreed to. He agreed to punishments doled out by the commisioner and a fine of 2.5M dollars if he violates the rules.

He violated the terms and by contract has to accept whatever punishment the NBA has handed down.

Can he sue to get out of it? Sure. And if a court over turns the ruling great.

But this whole morally wrong nonsense? It is just that, nonsense. The NBA, a private organization, has chosen to ban one of its owners from all of its facilities, which it has every right to do so based on the terms of the agreement signed between the parties


22 posted on 04/30/2014 3:46:46 PM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Could the NBA ban Farrakhan? Would Larry Johnson want him to be banned? I asked a question on another thread of mine and some said that the NBA could ban him.

The ban on Sterling is based on his voluntarily signing the NBA Constitution, which gives the Commissioner that power. Farrakhan didn't sign it.

23 posted on 04/30/2014 3:47:09 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I think all whites should be stopped at the stadium entrance. Obama will furnish all their phone calls and web postings to the “guards”. If they perceive anything anti-black, they will be cuffed, removed and go to jail.


24 posted on 04/30/2014 3:47:54 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

here is another question. if he is banned forever and forced to sell who is going to make him pay the fine?


25 posted on 04/30/2014 3:50:40 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HnodredscottIM all things are possible.)
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To: MadIsh32

Tell Adam Smith, capitalism’s Founding Father (if he were alive today), that morality is nonsense.

A person who is a racist, owns a McDonald’s franchise, loses it because he is caught being racist - another franchise owner couldn’t possibly bar the former McDonald’s franchise owner from coming in and buying a Big Mac.

The court would throw out any thing he signed if any owner tried to keep him from coming in and buying a Big Mac.

Some contracts have parts that are worthless the moment they are signed


26 posted on 04/30/2014 3:52:31 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Lurking Libertarian

But, there are some parts of contracts that are worthless the moment they are signed. They would get tossed out of court.

The former McDonald’s hypothetical argument - if he went in and tried to buy a Big Mac, and the owner said “No, you violated the contract on the part about causing a stain on the company’s name, no burger for you!” - a court would throw out any part of that contract - because it kept him from coming in and buying the Big Mac.


27 posted on 04/30/2014 3:55:22 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: cripplecreek

Havent heard a peep in the media about what Shaq did..of course not..now if he were white that would be a different matter..and Farrakhan would never be barred from an NBA game, remember, he’s a white/jew hater..therefore that’s acceptable


28 posted on 04/30/2014 3:58:00 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Could they ban Michael Vick for killing dogs????


29 posted on 04/30/2014 4:00:57 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: MadIsh32

The “race, creed, gender “ thing is a human construct. What humans have created, humans can add to it.

It can be expanded.

Gotta have BOTH of Adam Smith’s works working simultaneously, or capitalism falls apart.

Fogiveness is a moral issue.

No, it forgiveness not be imposed, or forced, but no true capitalist can truly be a capitalist while going against Smith’s “Theory of Moral Sentiments.”


30 posted on 04/30/2014 4:09:38 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Sarah Barracuda

If what you say is true (last 19 words especially), then why would any Christian, conservative, etc, possibly want to go to an NBA game?


31 posted on 04/30/2014 4:11:49 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Ive been a fan of the NBA my entire life, my Dad got me hooked on the Lakers, been a fan ever since. What I am seeing happen to the NBA is truly sad..that your only allowed in if you follow the company line, the liberal line otherwise your ostracized. I just read how the left is going after the owner of the Orlando Magic because he believes in traditional marriage..I saw this coming, you disagree with the lib mentality and they take everything away from you


32 posted on 04/30/2014 4:15:44 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
I suspect that Donald Sterling has signed some documents that are very strict when it comes to possible punishments for any violation of ethics or whatever that the NBA decides is not in the best interest of their organization.

NBA definition: Embarrassment => Loss of Revenue

So Embarrasment is not allowed. It is prohibited. The punishment is severe. And, I'm betting, Donald Sterling signed up for that punishment on the assumption, a reasonable one, that it would never apply to him.

He lost the bet.

But Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the like aren't in the NBA Club. They didn't sign anything. So they are free to say what they like and still go to Clippers games.

33 posted on 04/30/2014 4:18:05 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Probably next is the Orlando Magic owner for supporting marriage.


34 posted on 04/30/2014 4:24:51 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Ingtar

Probably next is the Orlando Magic owner for supporting marriage.
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DeVoss can have my support when he pays me back the $15,000 he owes me with interest for the last 16 years.


35 posted on 04/30/2014 5:11:01 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Jews don’t play basketball, so racism against Jews is OK. Christians and conservatives are always acceptable targets for racism today.
Lets face it the NBA is a corrupt and neo-racist institution. They are anti-free speech PC operatives of the first order. As far as I’m concerned, the NBA can do as they please, but those that despise hypocrisy and respect free speech and property rights should boycott the NBA.


36 posted on 04/30/2014 5:14:06 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Why on earth are you conflating Adam Smith, morality, and the NBA? And if you are, you would realize how a private organization has the right to do what it is allowed to do within the constraints of the agreement between 2 parties


37 posted on 05/01/2014 9:38:23 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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