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Chain-store plastic bag ban: 'Just change your behavior'
Chicago Tribune ^ | April 30, 2014 | Meredith Rodriguez

Posted on 04/30/2014 7:39:52 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement

Chicago lawmakers’ decision to ban plastic bags in chain stores next year goes beyond the arguments over the city’s economic and environmental conditions. The measure that’s set to take effect a year from August touches on everyday decisions people make. People walking along Michigan Avenue on Wednesday said it will affect a range of habits, such as how they pick up after their dogs and line the trash cans in their bathrooms. Maiwand Mayar, 22, said that he uses them to transport his laundry and, like “anyone in every society,” his trash can. He couldn’t immediately think of how he would replace them.

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TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: bags; chicago; environment; illinois; plastic
Trisha Tlapek said she objects to the ban more as a government infringement on her personal freedom rather than its effect on her daily life.

Talk like that will not be tolerated, Trisha. The government knows what is good for you.

1 posted on 04/30/2014 7:39:52 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement
Leftists still try to peddle the fiction that fascism is an ideology of the right.

And if you disagree with them, they will kick out your teeth and imprison your grandmother. Out of love. Only love.

2 posted on 04/30/2014 7:42:10 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: ConservativeStatement
For the energy it takes to recycle one paper bag, 84 plastic bags can be recycled instead. Paper bags also take up 7 times the landfill space as plastic. And once in a landfill, plastic bags lock up their carbon while paper bags return their carbon into the atmosphere in the form of greenhouse gases.

In short, liberals are idiots.

3 posted on 04/30/2014 7:45:55 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: ConservativeStatement

The taxpayer-paid, public servants seem to have a thing against plastic bags. As the kids might say, that’s “gay” AND “retarded”. I think it’s because of excessive use of “recreational” drugs.


4 posted on 04/30/2014 7:47:49 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: Hoodat
For the energy it takes to recycle one paper bag, 84 plastic bags can be recycled instead. Paper bags also take up 7 times the landfill space as plastic. And once in a landfill, plastic bags lock up their carbon while paper bags return their carbon into the atmosphere in the form of greenhouse gases.

In short, liberals are idiots.

In short, liberals are idiots.

In short, liberals are idiots.

In short, liberals are idiots.

In short, liberals are idiots.

All of what you wrote is worth repeating, but part of it is worth repeating over and over again.

Well said.

5 posted on 04/30/2014 7:52:42 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: dead

Ban those plastic bags. There is one in my tree. Been there nearly a year. I pack from the cart to a box in my car then carry it in when I get home. Easy! The reusable tote bags are no good as far as I’m concerned.


6 posted on 04/30/2014 7:53:58 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Hoodat
For the energy it takes to recycle one paper bag, 84 plastic bags can be recycled instead. Paper bags also take up 7 times the landfill space as plastic. And once in a landfill, plastic bags lock up their carbon while paper bags return their carbon into the atmosphere in the form of greenhouse gases.
One more point:

This proves to me that it's not about the "greenhouse gases". That it's NEVER been about the "greenhouse gases".

Just like the bans on e-cigarettes show that anti-smoking is not about the "second hand smoke" and was NEVER about the "second hand smoke".

7 posted on 04/30/2014 7:55:02 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Hoodat
and it takes 7 trucks to deliver the same number of paper bags as one truckload of plastic bags...
8 posted on 04/30/2014 8:02:04 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: ConservativeStatement

They did this in Austin in March of 2013. I don’t see any infringement on my personal liberty. It is about 99% of a non-issue. We just make sure we have bags before we leave the car (we keep them in the trunk). I haven’t paid for a new bag in 8 months.
Personally I’d like to see a $250 fine for dropping cigarette butts on the ground. I get tired of seeing those disgusting things everywhere.


9 posted on 04/30/2014 8:08:51 PM PDT by christx30 (Freedom above all.)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Chain-store plastic bag ban: 'Just change your behavior'

How about I shop outside of Chicago?

10 posted on 04/30/2014 8:09:51 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Chode

What are old people going to do. Plastic bags are easy to deal with, paper bags, not so much. A lot more unwieldy, and larger. Old people are screwed. They can’t carry large paper bags or reusable cloth bags easily. And cloth bags are breeding grounds for bacteria.


11 posted on 04/30/2014 8:11:22 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: flaglady47

Why can’t an entrepreneur sell plastic bags on line? Make ‘em with a digital printer thingy.


12 posted on 04/30/2014 8:15:56 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: flaglady47
100%!!! but the RATS feel good about themselves cause they are Doing Something... doesn't matter what the murder rate is, lets just do something even if it's stooopid
13 posted on 04/30/2014 8:16:06 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: flaglady47

As you pointed out, reusing paper or cloth bags is a health hazard. It has been documented that the reuse of these bags when food shopping has led to some deaths from contaminated food. The bacteria collected in these bags will lead to serious health problems if the food you are going to eat comes in contact with it, as they surely will. It is much healthier to use plastic bags.


14 posted on 04/30/2014 8:18:10 PM PDT by gusty
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To: gusty

Bingo. There is no way I’d use the cloth bags.....too much chance for cross contamination.


15 posted on 04/30/2014 8:34:53 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: ConservativeStatement
It was the enviro Nazis who said we had to switch from paper to plastic years ago.

Young people won't remember that so they buy these new lies.

16 posted on 04/30/2014 8:39:53 PM PDT by what's up (su)
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To: ConservativeStatement

I bought 1000 bags for $25 on Amazon. I use them for my dogs and shopping - no problem. I might be getting looks from the holier-than-thou at the super market. I am oblivious.


17 posted on 04/30/2014 8:50:05 PM PDT by bunnie911
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To: Hoodat

Well said. The communists in the Austin city counsel banned the bags and most of the businesses have switched to the old style paper sacks with the you’ve-got-to-be-kidding-me handles glued to the top. Same trash, different format - except for the businesses that force me to bring my own sacks to which I respond by taking my business to neighboring towns and therefore increasing my use of fossil fuels.

It is also worth noting that the number of 20 items or less lanes have expanded and the number of full service lanes have shrunk at our local grocery store, so my family is not alone in its refusal to tote our own sacks.

And those reusable grocery bags...yuk. Some of them that people are using trip after trip are really starting to look moldy. I am certain some people are not washing them like they should and they’re are being touched by the baggers who are in turn touching the purchases of everyone in line behind them. The germs left by spoiled meat residue and unwashed fruit can really make you sick.

I have no idea what the Clown Counsel thinks they’ve accomplished, but at least once every few months they find some way to keep us updated on the local news about how wonderfully everyone has adapted to the new bag ban and how great it is for the environment. It’s their regular Kum Ba Yah moment which is a bunch of feel good hogwash that only the self absorbed liberals feel good about.

The rest of us just feel like we had a decision forced on us that we did not agree with by 7 people with way too much power.


18 posted on 04/30/2014 8:52:37 PM PDT by mom of young patriots
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To: flaglady47

Gee. I don’t know how my grandmother got by for so long without plastic bags. She didn’t drive. She would walk the mile or two to the grocery store and then purchase what she wanted for the day. Then she would carry her paper sack full of groceries home. It kept her in good physical condition. If she needed more than one bag of groceries, she waited for my aunt to take her shopping. I always loved walking with her because the street between her house and the grocery was so interesting. Great men had lived there and had helped to shape the country into the super power it became. But those men lived in times in which the government did not regulate what bags people could use. And government did not declare all kinds of plants illegal. And everything these men did was about coming up with solutions to puzzles. And my little ole 8th grade educated grandmother made sure I learned about these great men and their dreams and hard work.

Sorry to get carried away with my nostalgia. :-)


19 posted on 04/30/2014 8:57:44 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: flaglady47

What did old people do before the introduction of plastic bags? Paper bags have been around a whole lot longer. Most city folks, young and old, use shopping carts to transport their groceries.


20 posted on 04/30/2014 8:59:34 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

The shopping cart won’t fit in my trunk.


21 posted on 04/30/2014 9:03:26 PM PDT by mom of young patriots
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To: mom of young patriots

Do you live in Chicago or NYC or any other large city? City people WALK to the store; they transport their groceries in shopping carts. OR they have them delivered. Driving to the supermarket is pretty unusual in an urban environment (which Chicago clearly is).


22 posted on 04/30/2014 9:07:29 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: ConservativeStatement

why don’t they just use corn starch bags?

http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2008-04/biodegradable-plastics


23 posted on 04/30/2014 9:12:37 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks ConservativeStatement.
Chicago lawmakers’ decision to ban plastic bags in chain stores next year goes beyond the arguments over the city’s economic and environmental conditions. The measure that’s set to take effect a year from August touches on everyday decisions people make. People walking along Michigan Avenue on Wednesday said it will affect a range of habits, such as how they pick up after their dogs and line the trash cans in their bathrooms. Maiwand Mayar, 22, said that he uses them to transport his laundry and, like “anyone in every society,” his trash can. He couldn’t immediately think of how he would replace them.

24 posted on 04/30/2014 9:23:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Plastic bags were banned in Santa Fe, NM but only the plastic bags under a certain thickness. The thicker, nicer plastic bags handed out by clothing stores and other such places are fine.

How crazy is that? The city council even allowed commentary by a 4th grader as to how she was in favor of the ban. *sigh*

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/article_9983928e-d5e0-5fbc-af56-e21705e9455a.html


25 posted on 04/30/2014 9:23:17 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: leapfrog0202

Forgot to say that paper bags with 40% recycled content is okay, but you will have to pay 10 cents for those unless you are on food stamps. If you are on food stamps they’ll also give you reusable bags.


26 posted on 04/30/2014 9:25:03 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: ConservativeStatement

She will still vote demorat just like she did for obarry.... twice.


27 posted on 04/30/2014 9:27:28 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: ConservativeStatement

The second amendment is now illegal. Just change your behavior. Automobiles are now illegal. Just change your behavior. Simple as that folks


28 posted on 04/30/2014 11:40:03 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: ConservativeStatement

“He couldn’t immediately think of how he would replace them.”

I’m going to buy several cases of them before they are banned.

Take them to the maerket and make the baggers fill them and then reuse them as we do now when we get home.


29 posted on 04/30/2014 11:53:41 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: ConservativeStatement; SheLion; Eric Blair 2084; -YYZ-; 31R1O; 383rr; AFreeBird; AGreatPer; ...

Utopia: just one more ban away.

Nanny State PING!


30 posted on 05/01/2014 12:01:55 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: ConservativeStatement

‘____ lining trash cans and picking up after dogs - - ‘

My local chain discount store sells all sorts of plastic bags for all sorts of uses.
Can’t just be using those free ones, ya know - - -

Oh - when I dispose mine, I do cut the handles. I have actually seen a seagull in town with a plastic bag caught somewhere - the beak? I was just a tad too far away to see, as he flew across an intersection.


31 posted on 05/01/2014 12:33:20 AM PDT by USARightSide (S U P P O R T I N G OUR T R O O P S)
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To: USARightSide
Oh - when I dispose mine, I do cut the handles. I have actually seen a seagull in town with a plastic bag caught somewhere - the beak? I was just a tad too far away to see, as he flew across an intersection.

But it is hysterical when a cat gets caught in one. Took us 30 minutes to get him calmed down enough to get the bag off.

We use the plastic bags on the farm all the time. They are handy when you plant to early and need to cover your plants to protect from freeze/frost. Great for little kids shoes (that visit) to keep poop off the shoes. The list is endless.

32 posted on 05/01/2014 12:39:30 AM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!! (this post approved by the NSA))
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To: christx30
It is about 99% of a non-issue. We just make sure we have bags before we leave the car (we keep them in the trunk). I haven’t paid for a new bag in 8 months.

I have NEVER paid for a bag. That's the idea. I don't have to buy a bag to carry my groceries into my house. I also get to use the bags for other purposes.

33 posted on 05/01/2014 3:07:58 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: petitfour

“Sorry to get carried away with my nostalgia. :-)”

I’ll join you! I still have my Grandma Anita’s Market Basket that she and I would use to carry our purchases when we went to the Municipal Market (Farmer’s Market of olde) in Milwaukee, WI in the 60’s.

It had a secure cover and was great from bringing home the live chicken we’d later butcher. One can’t even buy a live chicken at the Butcher Shop, anymore...if one can even FIND a Butcher Shop! ;)

Ah. Good Times... :)


34 posted on 05/01/2014 5:28:20 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: EDINVA

Don’t you get what they are doing? Think frogs and slowly warming water. It’s not about how people do their shopping. I’m sure some people could ride a unicycle to the store with a shopping basket balanced on their head. It’s about having another freedom yanked away for a bogus reason. The changes to the “environment” in Austin are microscopic.


35 posted on 05/01/2014 5:54:25 AM PDT by mom of young patriots
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


36 posted on 05/01/2014 6:24:57 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: christx30

“I don’t see an infringement on my personal liberty”

Defense of freedom is bigger than just you and your own lifestyle. You should never feel that others must make the same decisions that you do-that’s unAmerican. You need to wise up because the next freedom the emboldened Austin Council swipes might be one you really will miss.


37 posted on 05/01/2014 7:58:43 AM PDT by mom of young patriots
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To: mom of young patriots

I understand that all too well. However, the argument advanced, “what are old people going to do” is more than a little lame. It was that which I was addressing.


38 posted on 05/01/2014 8:58:25 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Hoodat

Plastic bags only came into existence becaus paper bags were banned in the early 80’s. We had to ban them due to global cooling and to prevent the coming ice age!

Yet, if you question the current envirofascists, then you are the science denier. Never mind that they are wrong EVERY TIME and wrong with EVERY PREDICTION.


39 posted on 05/01/2014 9:15:18 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: flaglady47

I’m old. We are not stupid and we grew up with paper bags.

I’ll just put the paper bags in a very large tote that I have. If I have more groceries I’ll carry an extra tote. There are also paper shopping bags available.

No problem.

.


40 posted on 05/01/2014 9:33:35 AM PDT by Mears
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To: EDINVA

“I understand that all too well. However, the argument advanced, “what are old people going to do” is more than a little lame. It was that which I was addressing.”

Yes, I understand your point now. In fact, I used to carry string bags for small purchases all the time because they fit so compactly in my pockets. I don’t like the approving looks I get now that the liberal crowd is feeling so smugly righteous, so I show my objection by toting awkward packages in my arms and shopping at nearby grocery stores that still give out bags.

You’re right, it is not a matter of what can be done. Plastic bags didn’t even exist a few decades ago. The question is, should we change our lives when the arguments to do so are presented with questionable intent.

This law was a purely political move falsely packaged as altruistic. It should have been put before the people to vote on rather than rammed through late at night by the Austin City Council.


41 posted on 05/01/2014 10:15:22 AM PDT by mom of young patriots
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To: ConservativeStatement
Let's see... if you ban plastic bags, will the gun death from criminals drop 98%?

If not, you are worrying about the wrong thing.

42 posted on 05/01/2014 5:18:21 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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