Skip to comments.How Top Spies in Ukraine Changed the Nation's Path [2005 NYTimes article]
Posted on 05/03/2014 7:28:40 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen
KIEV, Ukraine, Jan. 16 - As protests here against a rigged presidential election overwhelmed the capital last fall, an alarm sounded at Interior Ministry bases outside the city. It was just after 10 p.m. on Nov. 28.
More than 10,000 troops scrambled toward trucks. Most had helmets, shields and clubs. Three thousand carried guns. Many wore black masks. Within 45 minutes, according to their commander, Lt. Gen. Sergei Popkov, they had distributed ammunition and tear gas and were rushing out the gates.
Kiev was tilting toward a terrible clash, a Soviet-style crackdown that could have brought civil war. And then, inside Ukraine's clandestine security apparatus, strange events began to unfold.
While wet snow fell on the rally in Independence Square, an undercover colonel from the Security Service of Ukraine, or S.B.U., moved among the protesters' tents. He represented the successor agency to the K.G.B., but his mission, he said, was not against the protesters. It was to thwart the mobilizing troops. He warned opposition leaders that a crackdown was afoot.
Simultaneously, senior intelligence officials were madly working their secure telephones, in one instance cooperating with an army general to persuade the Interior Ministry to turn back.
The officials issued warnings, saying that using force against peaceful rallies was illegal and could lead to prosecution and that if ministry troops came to Kiev, the army and security services would defend civilians, said an opposition leader who witnessed some of the exchanges and Oleksander Galaka, head of the military's intelligence service, the G.U.R., who made some of the calls.
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Much longer article, interesting read.
The article paints a picture that the involvement of the West was purely benevolent, so one can take its conclusions, both express and implied, with a grain of salt, of course.
The main point of evidence, IMHO, is that Ukraine's intelligence service, the SBU, was reportedly working with the West towards an implicit entry into the EU as far back as 2005, a full 8 years ago.
The classic case of being turned into a tool, of course, is Yulia Tymoshenko, but all the leading business figures followed the same path: being in the right place at the right time in their life to make the most of the privatization in the 1990's, from college education, to a seeming entrepreneurial opportunity, to doing God knows what to gain monopolistic advantage, extensively working with, no doubt being taught much by, Western business and political figures, while simultaneously courting Russia to work that end of the trade deals.
The "power people" of Ukraine all along implicitly agreed to whatever the powers that be in the West had in store for Ukraine, which was simply assumed to be headed in a good direction.
Certainly, based on the mythology created by new world order's news media, historians, entertainment media, schools, etc., that could be said to be the case - if the mythology were only true.
Instead, of course, we have the "man behind the curtain", a la the Wizard of Oz, the financial elites who pull the puppet strings in America, in a steady march towards a Fabian, totalitarian state; they do this in the same manner as Fabian elites do in every nation where they've gained behind the scenes de facto control of the institutions that control society. Subvert morals, corrupt and control politicians, use subsequent government power to solidify their monopolies, become the leading vendors to government, increase government spending in their own direction, pay little to no taxes, be the banking syndicate which government borrows from, gain control over the nations money creation via their control of central banking, etc.
Ukraine didn’t need any encouragement to go in Europe’s direction and away from Russia, that would be a natural move for any country truly interested in freedom and progress.
You have a problem with Ukraine choosing its own destiny?
It’s a simple yes or no question.
When you deflect like that, people tend to think your answer is “no”.
One can count on Chivers to parrot the Neo-Soviet party line.
Chivers won the 2007 Golden Verb award for excellence from MediaSoyuz, a Russian journalism society, for coverage of Chechnya
Journalist C.J. Chivers doubts that chemical weapons are being used in the Syrian civil war.
I don’t get your point.
You’re pissed because people in Ukraine like modern Europe and want to associate with them? You think they’ve been brainwashed, and wouldn’t choose to go that way otherwise?
And don’t pretend Russia didn’t try to influence Ukraine also. The “influence” argument is going nowhere.
There is a lot of manipulation from all sides in Ukraine.
My only primary concern is that we stay the hell out of that mess. As far as they’re concerned, I don’t see any way they survive as an intact single nation. I see the west leaning toward the EU, the east leaning toward Russia, and a handful in the middle leaning toward independence from both.
Yes, I do.
Like they know what they want.
They should elect me, I know better than them what they want.
Only hot Ukrainian chicks allowed to stay?
Have you ever heard about personnel people discussing the “wise old owls” in organizations. Most takeover companies remove all of them, because they understand how everything works and will work quietly behind the scenes to subvert all change the new owners want to make?
It applies to nations as well as companies.
National Spooks are like this. They “know things” and relationships. And know how to quietly work behind the scenes to use that knowledge. For good or bad.
If the right ones in the US decide it is time to use that skill, Obozo will be totally exposed. I beg them now, It Is Time!
Espionage has been run by “the financial elites” for centuries.
The founders of our CIA are all the highest level operatives of the “old money” of the so-called “eastern establishment”, which is globalism, a.k.a., new world order.
Long ago international financiers learned that in lending to governments, espionage was an essential field of which to be fully in control.
They need the goods on every politician so they can control them. The espionage guys can get the goods.
They also need to be able to create national security problems to create massive government spending, which then requires government borrowing from their banking syndicate. Full control of the espionage “business” (and top diplomatic circles) is thus required.
Espionage is so important to elite international financiers that it’s one of the fields that is mostly kept “in the family”, i.e., the top jobs and the most trust will only be given to minions that are married into the families that are the most loyal minions for generations. While the Bush family and Dulles family are notable, it’s quite common to see espionage / diplomatic / finance families “serve” in these capacities and overlap in them for generations.
The espionage leadership, therefore, will never go against the globalist masters; that’s who they’ve been working for all along.
Obozo, like all US Presidents, is in office because the elites want him there.
And, next election, like all of them, the tickets will be what the elites want them to be. And the election will proceed as they plan it. They’re kind of annoyed now; they planned on having a Rockefeller-Repub win, so they could pretend they were adjusting Obamacare, revive the NSA, give conservatives a breather in the illusion that they “won”, etc., but Krispy Kreme sabotaged his own career. And YAB (yet another Bush) Jeb has all the appeal of a donkey at the Kentucky Derby.
The difference between Kuchma (president in 2004) and Yanukovich was that the former was a corrupt president who did not appreciate when Russia was meddling in Ukraine. Putin did not have the free reign to do what he liked until Yanukovich got elected. Yanukovych was путинский гандон, Putin's stooge, he installed Russian citizens as ministers of Defense, intelligence, and Ukraine-haters like Tabachnyk as Education minister. Last 4 years were a nightmare for Ukraine, but hopefully there are more Ukrainian spies out there to protect the country.
“founders of our CIA”
Wild Bill Donavan and the OSS was a precursor to the CIA.
He had know leftist working form him under the pretence it was necessary for them to survive in some foreign environments.
It may have been necessary, but long term there were costs from it.
Donavan himself was not directly subversive.
Classmate of FDR at Columbia Law School. Protege of Harlan Stone, along with J. Edgar Hoover. As he got more involved with Rockefeller/Rotschild interests, he married the heiress Ruth Rumsey. He was appointed in 1915 by the Rockefeller foundation to its “war relief commission”. Went on to remain a loyal minion of financial elites throughout his career.
I did not know about the FDR connection. But should have.
Another interesting individual whose career is a nexus of communism and Wall Street is Felix Frankfurter, Supreme Court Justice.
You might want a drink before researching too much.
Another fellow with the Wall Street / communist alternating stripes is W. Averell Harriman. His mommy donated ten thousand acres outside New York City which became Harriman State Park.
Yes, I have read a little about Averell Harriman and his influence in DC.
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