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Hobo Spider Bites Might Not Be So Toxic After All
Discovery ^ | Agata Blaszczak

Posted on 05/04/2014 7:54:58 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Whether the bites of the hobo spider are toxic to people has been a matter of scientific debate, but a new study suggests the spider's venom may be less harmful than many people think.

With black widows and brown recluse spiders, hobo spiders are listed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as one of the three venomous spiders that can be found in the United States, that can be dangerous. In some cases, hobo spider bites have caused necrosis, which is the death of cells or tissue, according to a 1996 report from the CDC.

However, researchers have questioned for years whether there is actually sufficient evidence that hobo spider venom can indeed cause necrotic skin lesions, and how dangerous to humans these spiders really are. Moreover, hobo spiders are considered innocuous in Europe, and previous research comparing the venom of American and European members of the species did not find significant differences between the two. [Creepy, Crawly & Incredible: Photos of Spiders]

"There is a psychological thing about spiders, that people just want to believe that spiders are doing the damage," said study author Richard Vetter, an arachnologist at the University of California, Riverside. People may readily conclude that a spider caused an injury they actually incurred from something else, he said.

Bat-Eating Spiders Are Everywhere Hobo spiders are moderately large, measuring about a quarter-inch to a half-inch (7 to 14 millimeters) in body length, with a 1- to 2-inch (27 to 45 mm) leg span. The brown and grey spiders are native to Europe, and were probably introduced into the Seattle area in the 1920s or early 1930s. They have since spread through the Pacific northwest. The spiders build funnel-shaped webs in dark, moist areas, and are fast runners — moving up to 3 feet (1 meter) per second.

In the new study, Vetter and his colleagues examined 33 reported, verified spider bites that occurred in Oregon over three years. Different spider species perpetrated the bites, with one coming from a hobo spider.

The researchers examined the symptoms of the spider bite victims. Unlike some previous studies on spider bites, the researchers looked only at reports in which people actually caught the spiders that bit them, and submitted the eight-legged beasts as evidence.

It turned out that none of the spider bites in the sample, including the one inflicted by the hobo spider, resulted in dermonecrosis — the death of skin cells. The victim of the hobo spider suffered only pain, redness and twitching.

"Spiders are a very handy scapegoat to blame all the time" because, historically, people have had a negative view of spiders, Vetter told Live Science.

At the outset of the study, the researchers had wanted to look at a series of cases of hobo spider bites. But over the three-year period, the researchers found only one such report. And while this may not necessarily mean that hobo spiders rarely bite people, there is not sufficient evidence to prove that they are "common biters," either, Vetter said.

Previous reports of hobo spider bites have cited largely circumstantial evidence, with people reporting bites without providing evidence they were actually bitten by a hobo spider, or any spider at all, the researchers said. People may blame other medical conditions, for instance, skin conditions, on spider bites.

"Spider bite diagnoses are very handy diagnoses for a lot of doctors," Vetter said. "They can't be proven wrong, and 90 percent of everything heals by itself anyway."

Other researchers agreed with the idea that hobo spiders are not dangerous.

Female Spiders Judge Mates by Their Gift Wrap "I actually believe that it's not at all a real thing that the hobo spiders" have bites that can kill human skin tissue, said Christopher Buddle, an arachnologist at McGill University, who was not involved in the study. "I think it has largely been almost a hoax," he told Live Science.

The new study, which gathered data on the bites of a range of species of spiders, was quite valuable, because researchers don't know much about the potential medical importance of a lot of these species, Buddle said.

The fact that the researchers found just one case of a hobo spider bite, and no evidence of skin necrosis is interesting in itself, Buddle said. That result "suggests that maybe the fear around the hobo spider has really been overblown," he said.

The few previous reports of hobo spider bites also failed to show evidence of skin necrosis, Buddle said. "There is a lot of fear around spiders that gets proliferated online and in the media that's just not warranted," he said.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Pets/Animals; Science
KEYWORDS: arachnids; spiders; toxic

1 posted on 05/04/2014 7:54:58 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

My Brother who is a biologist, once told me that virtually all spiders have venom. Most of them cannot inject it into a human or we are not affected by it.

He also said there were probably a dozen spiders in North America which can be dangerous to humans.


2 posted on 05/04/2014 7:59:15 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: nickcarraway

Thx. I live in hobo country, this is comforting news. If true.


3 posted on 05/04/2014 7:59:22 PM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: nickcarraway
Hobo Spider Bites Might Not Be So Toxic After All

But the Hobo Spiders with a shotgun are flat out deadly!

4 posted on 05/04/2014 8:00:01 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: nickcarraway

What does it look like? I’m lazy today


5 posted on 05/04/2014 8:00:23 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Veto!

You don’t ride the rails I take it?


6 posted on 05/04/2014 8:02:31 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: nickcarraway

Nearly every spider I kill in my house looks just like a brown recluse except they have spiky hairs on their legs and the brown recluse supposedly does not.

They even have the violin shape. I have compared several times and they definitely do vary by just that one thing but it must be enough as none of the brown recluse photos show and spiky hairs on their legs.

I still bothers me tho.


7 posted on 05/04/2014 8:04:34 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: GeronL
You know it's in the area if you see stuff like this:


8 posted on 05/04/2014 8:04:56 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: nickcarraway

Well,,, whatever spider bit me in my sleep a year ago causers skin to slough off, and I still have the scars of the three fang bites. I hate spiders!


9 posted on 05/04/2014 8:05:35 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: GeronL

Hobo spiders are easy to spot!

They carry sticks over their shoulders with their belongings hanging on the end tied in a red bandanas and they’re commonly found in boxcars.


10 posted on 05/04/2014 8:05:54 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: yarddog
The black widow spider gets inseminated by MR. spider, then SHE eats him. Naaaasssty widow.
11 posted on 05/04/2014 8:06:12 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: pax_et_bonum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6K5-tOuamo


12 posted on 05/04/2014 8:07:06 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: GeronL
What does it look like? I’m lazy today

You can recognize them from the little bag they have tied on the end of a stick, which they carry over their shoulder.

13 posted on 05/04/2014 8:07:17 PM PDT by Snake Skin Sonny
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To: pax_et_bonum

Lol


14 posted on 05/04/2014 8:07:18 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Lol


15 posted on 05/04/2014 8:07:34 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Snake Skin Sonny

You were late but it’s still funny


16 posted on 05/04/2014 8:08:15 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: BipolarBob

LOL

No, but I’ve seen hobos on piers in the river — makes it hard getting off the boat.


17 posted on 05/04/2014 8:11:10 PM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: GeronL

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk_hPTN50UE


18 posted on 05/04/2014 8:11:46 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: Veto!

Carry an extra pint to pay them off.


19 posted on 05/04/2014 8:13:10 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: pax_et_bonum

Lolz


20 posted on 05/04/2014 8:18:51 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL
Oops!

Bad habit: clicking on the article, going to bathroom, posting comment upon return without refreshing.

21 posted on 05/04/2014 8:20:12 PM PDT by Snake Skin Sonny
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To: yarddog

They are called ‘wolf spiders’ and I usually leave them alone. They eat the brown recluses. We have Brown’s in our house. Hate them with a passion. Sticky traps are great.


22 posted on 05/04/2014 8:21:26 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Sounds like necrosis from a Brown Recluse.


23 posted on 05/04/2014 8:23:19 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: GeronL

:-)


24 posted on 05/04/2014 8:28:19 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

My dad was hit by a brown recluse spider and was left with a crater in his back that did not heal for the rest of his life, 40 years. Seemed fairly toxic to me!


25 posted on 05/04/2014 8:33:42 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: nickcarraway

I hope that “Hobo Spider” isn’t some feminist renaming of the “Brown Bachelor”.......


26 posted on 05/04/2014 8:45:06 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: cloudmountain

But what is not widely known that she takes out a big insurance policy first!


27 posted on 05/04/2014 8:50:22 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Mastador1

LOL


28 posted on 05/04/2014 10:38:14 PM PDT by Salamander (Black Ace Dog Handler)
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To: nickcarraway
But what is not widely known that she takes out a big insurance policy first!

:o) Cleeeever 'pidey lady.

29 posted on 05/05/2014 5:23:54 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: nickcarraway; Revolting cat!
Well that's a relief.

I'm still going to keep my distance.

30 posted on 05/05/2014 10:33:12 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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