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Dozens Of CIA, FBI Agents "Advising Ukraine Government", German Press Reports
Zerohedge ^ | 05/04/2014 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 05/04/2014 8:14:05 PM PDT by Rusty0604

Now that the situation in Ukraine has officially been upgraded to "war", what really happens on the ground will remain largely wrapped by the fog of war on either side, with just one thing assured: a war it may be but more than anything it is a proxy war - one in which both western and Russian interests are manifest in the fighting, and killing, of mostly innocent civilians in Ukraine - a carbon copy replica of what happened last year in Syria.

The latest reminder of just this comes from AFP which reports, citing Germany's Bild, that "dozens of specialists from the US Central Intelligence Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation are advising the Ukrainian government."

From AFP:

Citing unnamed German security sources, Bild am Sonntag said the CIA and FBI agents were helping Kiev end the rebellion in the east of Ukraine and set up a functioning security structure.

It said the agents were not directly involved in fighting with pro-Russian militants. "Their activity is limited to the capital Kiev," the paper said.

The FBI agents are also helping the Kiev government fight organised crime, it added.

A group specialised in financial matters is to help trace the wealth of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, according to the report.

On the surface, this report is hardly surprising: we reported a month ago, subsequently confirmed by the White House, that CIA director Brennan had "secretly" visited Kiev in early April. It stands to logic that he was hardly alone and continuing the proud tradition of Libya, Egypt and Syria, the CIA was merely getting started unfolding the agency's core competency: regional destabilization.

What is very surprising is that Germany's press is finally stepping away from the western media propaganda umbrella and starting to report the side of the narrative that is in direct opposition to US interests in either Ukraine, or Germany.

So just who, and why, is pulling the strings on Germany's media outlets in a way that goes against the official Merkel fiction, if in agreement with Germany's commercial and industrial interests (as well as those of Europe's commission himself)?

And how soon before Germany's position, one clearly against the imposition of further sanctions on Russia and the additional alienation of the Kremlin, puts Germany on direct collision course with Obama and the US state department? And what then: will Germany, shunned by the US, have no choice but to reallign with the ascendent Eurasian axis of China and Russia. Stay tuned.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: ukraine

1 posted on 05/04/2014 8:14:05 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

They should send the BLM while they are at it, Federalizing Ukraine...


2 posted on 05/04/2014 8:15:43 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Rusty0604
"Citing unnamed German security sources, Bild am Sonntag said the CIA and FBI agents were helping Kiev end the rebellion in the east of Ukraine and set up a functioning security structure."

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Hmmmm, I wonder what the end game is for the CIA/FBI in setting up a "functioning security structure" for the Ukrainians? Did the government in Kiev ask for the CIA/FBI help? Maybe it did.

We'll never know the truth anyway, so why bother to wonder?

3 posted on 05/04/2014 8:23:11 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Rusty0604

“that “dozens of specialists from the US Central Intelligence Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation are advising the Ukrainian government.”

The FBI,,working Ukraine, nice. Remember back in the old days, when the FBI fought gangs in Chicago USA?


4 posted on 05/04/2014 8:25:41 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Rusty0604

Not surprised by this, since we did help to overthrow the elected government.

The Russians have been claiming there are “English speakers” in Kiev, and in the field for several weeks.


5 posted on 05/04/2014 8:25:58 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Rusty0604

100 Days of Being a Laughingstock in Paris (Obama versus the CIA)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2298074/posts


6 posted on 05/04/2014 8:26:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Rusty0604

They’re probably giving details about how to most effectively arrest plumbers, rodeo clowns, arrowhead collectors and ranchers.


7 posted on 05/04/2014 8:26:40 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: cloudmountain

“What is very surprising is that Germany’s press is finally stepping away from the western media propaganda umbrella and starting to report the side of the narrative that is in direct opposition to US interests in either Ukraine, or Germany”


8 posted on 05/04/2014 8:27:03 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: gaijin

LOL


9 posted on 05/04/2014 8:27:58 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

“What is very surprising is that Germany’s press is finally stepping away from the western media propaganda umbrella and starting to report the side of the narrative that is in direct opposition to US interests in either Ukraine, or Germany”

WHAT???
Don’t they understand that not reporting the Obama line is racist, or homophobic, or sumpin’?


10 posted on 05/04/2014 8:30:18 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

You are criticizing Obamas line in Kiev. You must be Spetsnaz/


11 posted on 05/04/2014 8:36:22 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Rusty0604

Thanks for posting. Most interesting. As of right now…406 comments to the article on zh.


12 posted on 05/04/2014 8:38:03 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: lavaroise

Might as well send in some IRS agents too, maybe sell some health insurance at gunpoint.


13 posted on 05/04/2014 8:38:56 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Rusty0604

How embarrassing. The USA is the “go to” source if you are solidifying a National socialist coup. Guess they are the experts.


14 posted on 05/04/2014 8:41:03 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

“The USA is the “go to” source if you are solidifying a National socialist coup. Guess they are the experts.”

DailyKos,ObamaForAmerica,Seiu, MSNBC, Open Society, Omidyar Network, etc,etc,adn..

We have a lot of recent practice with this.


15 posted on 05/04/2014 8:43:16 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: DesertRhino

if the great FBI folks had still be fighting criminal gangs in Chicago... maybe we wouldn’t have had 2008 or 2012


16 posted on 05/04/2014 8:49:29 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Rusty0604
Can't get ahead in the stock market? Blame shadowy figures who have rigged it against you. Dan Ivandiiski (aka Tyler Durden), a Bulgarian emigre, is the Alex Jones of financial bloggers, with a pro-Russian, anti-American twist. His inaccurate market calls have caused investors to miss out on the massive bull run in the stock market since the bottom of the financial crisis. Given his lousy record, it's unsurprising that he was banned for life from Wall Street - the only way he could get an edge was via insider trading, and his incompetence at doing even that without being discovered got him knocked out of the game.

In a sign of just how radically the order has shifted in the political and media world, neither the Times nor Schumer had a clue about the identity of the pseudonymous author behind Zero Hedge. As it happens, the founder is a 30-year-old Bulgarian immigrant banned from working in the brokerage business for insider trading. A former hedge-fund analyst, he’s also a zealous believer in a sweeping conspiracy that casts the alumni of Goldman Sachs as a powerful cabal at the helm of U.S. policy, with the Treasury and the Federal Reserve colluding to preserve the status quo. His antidote? A purifying market crash that leads to the elimination of the big banks altogether and the reinstatement of genuine free-market capitalism.

Never mind Dow 10,000. Dan Ivandjiiski is all about Dow Zero.

That's the nice thing about setting up a financial blog to cater to fellow anti-American conspiracy-mongers. It's not results-oriented, and he might even get funding from the Russian government, given its interest in advancing the cause of a pan-Slavic empire under Russian tutelage.

17 posted on 05/04/2014 9:05:29 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“A purifying market crash that leads to the elimination of the big banks altogether and the reinstatement of genuine free-market capitalism.”

Is that a bad thing? Zerohedge is not the only site with those predictions.

It was my understanding that “Tyler Durden” was more than one blogger. Thanks for the info.


18 posted on 05/04/2014 9:16:48 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Zhang Fei

Despite speculation that “Tyler Durden” is a pseudonym of Daniel Ivandjiiski,[3][4] who was penalized for insider trading in New York in September 2008,[5] Ivandjiiski denies being a founder of Zero Hedge. Rather, he says he is one of several writers contributing to the site under the pseudonym.[5] In an interview, “Durden” said there were four editors at Zero Hedge[2] but another editor says there are up to 40.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge


19 posted on 05/04/2014 9:20:35 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: DesertRhino

I had no idea we wanted the Ukraine to fail that bad? Well, at least the helpers will drain their ponds, reassemble blown up stuff in warehouses, impregnate the locals under the age of 20, and shoot a lot of dogs and pregnant women holding babies.


20 posted on 05/04/2014 9:20:40 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Rusty0604

““A purifying market crash that leads to the elimination of the big banks altogether and the reinstatement of genuine free-market capitalism.”

Is that a bad thing? “

Yes! Yes it is.


21 posted on 05/04/2014 9:24:53 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Rusty0604

Playing right into the Russians’ hands. Brilliant. Just brilliant. And apparently, we’re determined to involve ourselves in an East European war. I guess Lockheed’s stock price is too low.


22 posted on 05/04/2014 9:25:06 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Rusty0604
“A purifying market crash that leads to the elimination of the big banks altogether and the reinstatement of genuine free-market capitalism.” Is that a bad thing? Zerohedge is not the only site with those predictions. It was my understanding that “Tyler Durden” was more than one blogger. Thanks for the info.

It's purifying the way the plague was purifying. Letting the market collapse so a few short-sellers can make massive profits is not the mission of government policy-makers. The government's role is to limit the effects of all disasters, ranging from financial, natural to epidemiological ones. In theory, why not let all disasters run their course - surely the species will be better off having cleansed those unfit for survival from the gene pool?

23 posted on 05/04/2014 9:27:11 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Rusty0604
"It was my understanding that “Tyler Durden” was more than one blogger".

Tyler Durden is the collective pseudonym of all the Zero Hedge editors. There are, depending on who believe, up to 40 of them.
24 posted on 05/04/2014 9:29:18 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Zhang Fei

So be honest. Do you really doubt that the FBI has agents assisting Ukraine?


25 posted on 05/04/2014 9:29:57 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Zhang Fei
"... he’s also a zealous believer in a sweeping conspiracy that casts the alumni of Goldman Sachs as a powerful cabal at the helm of U.S. policy, with the Treasury and the Federal Reserve colluding to preserve the status quo.

Conspiracy theory? The obvious is a conspiracy theory now? Every administration... Republican and Democrat... has Goldman Sachs veterans in the halls of power. And they almost always go back to GS after their term in office. GS may as well be another branch of government.
26 posted on 05/04/2014 9:33:02 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Zhang Fei

“The government’s role is to limit the effects of all disasters”

You mean like bailing out banks and QE? Or do you mean the stimulus package?


27 posted on 05/04/2014 9:35:43 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Could you expand on your response?


28 posted on 05/04/2014 9:39:23 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Zhang Fei

“The government’s role is to limit the effects of all disasters, ranging from financial, natural to epidemiological ones.”

My copy of the Constitution must be defective, because I can’t find that anywhere.


29 posted on 05/04/2014 9:46:53 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Rusty0604

Sure. Major market crashes are not a good thing. Everyday people lose jobs, homes, businesses and retirement security. The stories I heard from the depression didn’t sound good and the period from 2008 on didn’t feel all that good. I don’t think another major crash is going to make very many people better off. Most people will suffer.


30 posted on 05/04/2014 9:56:10 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

The depression only lasted so long because of FDR’s interference. Government played a big part in creating the crash in 2008 and thanks to the government we still haven’t recovered.

I believe in free market capitalism, not socialism.


31 posted on 05/04/2014 10:03:15 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Dalberg-Acton
My copy of the Constitution must be defective, because I can’t find that anywhere.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States.

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Is there anything in the Constitution that that says anything not expressly mentioned there is forbidden? The Army Corps of Engineers has been around since the founding of the Republic, and is currently involved in flood control in LA, but there's no mention of it in the Constitution. Should it be disbanded and its functions handed out to the states?
32 posted on 05/04/2014 10:06:29 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Rusty0604
The depression only lasted so long because of FDR’s interference.

If FDR hadn't intervened, we might have had a Bolshevik revolution. The problem is very simple - debt balances remained the same, whereas demand and prices plunged, causing tens of millions to become unemployed, as debt defaults cascaded. The (standard at the time) five-year non-amortizing home loans with balloon payments at the end led to millions of homeless, as property prices plunged, banks were unable to refinance the principal owed by home-owners, and ended up having to repo those homes, losing huge sums in the process. FDR went overboard and made things worse, but something had to be done to slow the avalanche. The banks needed short term liquidity from the Fed to keep the wheels of commerce from seizing up, but he didn't have to start the welfare scheme known as Social Security. Interest rates needed to go to nothing to that overstressed debtors could refinance their debts and keep their employees on the payroll. The total destruction of the banking system would have taken interest rates through the roof.

33 posted on 05/04/2014 10:22:12 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

This was all (depression and 2008 recession) caused in the first place by the Federal reserve inflating the money supply and easy credit policies. What you see as the cause of the problems was actually the effect of intervention by the gov’t and the federal reserve.


34 posted on 05/04/2014 10:50:26 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Dodgy source and with the ever popular unnamed source.

Come on folks be a little bit more discerning would ya?


35 posted on 05/04/2014 11:07:56 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

“CIA, FBI agents ‘advising Ukraine government’: report”

Berlin (AFP) - Dozens of specialists from the US Central Intelligence Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation are advising the Ukrainian government, a German newspaper reported Sunday.

http://news.yahoo.com/cia-fbi-agents-advising-ukraine-government-report-101508429.html


36 posted on 05/04/2014 11:13:08 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Citing unnamed sources....May as we’ll come from RT


37 posted on 05/04/2014 11:16:12 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster; Rusty0604

Audio interview - it appears to be a credible story:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/05/04/361282/report-about-cia-fbi-in-kiev-credible/


38 posted on 05/05/2014 1:43:40 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: Rusty0604

John McCain tells Ukraine protesters: 'We are here to support your just cause

39 posted on 05/05/2014 2:01:16 AM PDT by McGruff (I'ts not the crime it's the coverup they said.)
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To: Rusty0604

Not surprised. They do whatever Dorhn, the MB,
al Qaeda, and their Obama and Soros want.


40 posted on 05/05/2014 3:55:30 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Rusty0604

My people in Ukraine tell me that Ukrainians believe we are behind the destabilization. We are not well regarded over there right now


41 posted on 05/05/2014 4:19:51 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: bronxville

You make me laugh so hard....

You keep posting from a source that is in its origin dodgy. Then you post from cites that have picked up the original post. I don’t care if yahoo news, reuters, the guardian, google news, etc etc pick up and pass on the same story. It is STILL the same story.

And the source you chose this time is IRANIAN television....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA


42 posted on 05/05/2014 7:32:45 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Zhang Fei
It is rarely contended in this forum (and erroneously so) that the term "general welfare" serves as a justification for unlimited government. The history of the framing and ratification of the Constitution simply do not support the claim.

For a detailed explanation by James Madison, see Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 letter from James Madison to Andrew Stevenson.

43 posted on 05/05/2014 7:51:35 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Nifster

“You keep posting from a source that is in its origin dodgy. Then you post from cites that have picked up the original post. I don’t care if yahoo news, reuters, the guardian, google news, etc etc pick up and pass on the same story. It is STILL the same story.”
.

I posted to you one time only and it’ll be the last. I don’t talk to rude...


44 posted on 05/05/2014 2:47:10 PM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: bronxville

Most communists have a thin skin


45 posted on 05/05/2014 7:32:26 PM PDT by Nifster
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