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If it's OK for women to propose, why don't they?
SF Gate ^ | 05/05/2014 | CONNIE CASS, Associated Press

Posted on 05/05/2014 6:57:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Edited on 05/05/2014 6:59:59 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Steve Paska waited two weeks for Washington's famously fickle cherry blossoms to emerge, then spent two hours searching for the perfect spot beneath the canopy of fluff. He lured his girlfriend there on the pretext of buying a painting of the blooms. Then he surprised her by dropping to one knee and proposing.


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KEYWORDS: celebratediversity; culturewar; feminism; marriage; nuclearfamily; proposal; savethemales; sexism; sexroles; waronmarriage; women
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1 posted on 05/05/2014 6:57:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

They like being proposed to. Next stupid question?


2 posted on 05/05/2014 6:59:50 AM PDT by dangus
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To: SeekAndFind

Because the number of milliseconds a man hesitated to reply would be held against him for years, measured against some intangible, ephemeral standard that might change even while the measurement was taking place. And if the result was unsatisfactory from the woman’s standpoint, for whatever reason, there would in most cases never be a way around it.


3 posted on 05/05/2014 7:01:55 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: SeekAndFind

Men and women are different regardless of what the leftist want.


4 posted on 05/05/2014 7:02:09 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s not okay. A real woman wants a real man.


5 posted on 05/05/2014 7:04:07 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: SeekAndFind

they don’t propose, but they sure can pressure you to propose!


6 posted on 05/05/2014 7:04:15 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Because the number of milliseconds a man hesitated to reply would be held against him for years, measured against some intangible, ephemeral standard that might change even while the measurement was taking place. And if the result was unsatisfactory from the woman’s standpoint, for whatever reason, there would in most cases never be a way around it.

Where were you when I was 16 and needed advice about women?

7 posted on 05/05/2014 7:04:33 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In my experience, and experience of other males friends, the females indirectly hint at these subjects. Like talking about how friends of hers are getting married, and how happy the couple are together.

or, talk about some friend of hers who is having a baby, and how nice that is. And how her friend is lucky to have a wonderful man, but that her friend is not as lucky as she herself is to have YOU.

The females dance around these subjects if they are interested in marriage, and then you are supposed to pick up on it and take things from there. They just don’t want to do the asking themselves.


8 posted on 05/05/2014 7:04:41 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SeekAndFind
If Shania Twain..Leigh Nash...or Sarah Palin were to propose to me I suspect that I'd accept.
9 posted on 05/05/2014 7:04:41 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe they’re no more interested in getting married than men are.


10 posted on 05/05/2014 7:06:10 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: SeekAndFind

11 posted on 05/05/2014 7:06:20 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I bet Michelle Obama did the proposing... Or demanding.


12 posted on 05/05/2014 7:07:10 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: goodwithagun

My wife proposed to me, and I’m pretty sure she’s a real woman and I’m a real man.


13 posted on 05/05/2014 7:09:35 AM PDT by stormer
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To: IronJack

Well, anecdotal evidence is that many young career oriented women today, don’t even want to think about marriage until more established on career paths. They will still have boyfriends and be involved with someone, but, only if they can fit him into her career lifestyle. So, he’s got to understand when she needs to work late, or have to travel for business.


14 posted on 05/05/2014 7:10:03 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SeekAndFind

Because they might get turned down.

I’ve been asked a couple of times - the answer was no.


15 posted on 05/05/2014 7:12:33 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: SampleMan

It took me about 40 years to develop the theory and the lack of practice. That was about 20 years ago.


16 posted on 05/05/2014 7:13:33 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: glorgau

I proposed to my husband. Well, not really proposed, but let it be known that I wasn’t going to stick around for another year if the relationship wasn’t going to go in that direction and pretty soon (we’d been dating for 3 years). He got the hint.

I’m quite sure there is a lot of that type of ‘proposing’ that goes on.


17 posted on 05/05/2014 7:18:03 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: SeekAndFind
"I said I was so thankful for having him in my life, and we'd gone through so many things, and I'd love to marry him," she said. "And he said, 'I'd love to marry you, too.'"

i would not call that a proposal... i guess a proposal in a round-a-bout way...

18 posted on 05/05/2014 7:18:07 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: stormer
My wife proposed to me, and I’m pretty sure she’s a real woman and I’m a real man.

:)

19 posted on 05/05/2014 7:19:19 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Because the number of milliseconds a man hesitated to reply would be held against him for years, measured against some intangible, ephemeral standard that might change even while the measurement was taking place. And if the result was unsatisfactory from the woman’s standpoint, for whatever reason, there would in most cases never be a way around it.

IMO women are afraid to find out what men really think about their relationship.

...I know women don't understand men. I know there are women looking at me right now, wondering "what goes on in that little brain of his? I betcha I could manipulate that brain." I betcha you could.

I betcha women would like to know what men really think... the truth, the honest truth. You wanna know what men are really thinking? 'Cause I could tell you. Would you like to know? Alright, I'll tell you.

Nothing.

We're not thinking anything. We're just walking around, looking around. This is the only natural inclination of men. To just kinda check stuff out.

We work because they force us to, but other than that, this is really the only thing we wanna do. We like women, we want women. But that's pretty much as far as we've thought. That's why we're honking car horns, yelling from construction sites...these are the best ideas we've had so far.
-- Jerry Seinfeld, I'm Telling You For The Last Time.


20 posted on 05/05/2014 7:19:35 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: SeekAndFind

“Because women are evil and selfish and men have to do everything and men are the victims.” - Freeper


21 posted on 05/05/2014 7:23:19 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: FreeAtlanta
I bet Michelle Obama did the proposing... Or demanding.

Michelle:"I'm pregnant,Barry"

BO:"How can that be? I'm...uuuhhhmmm..."

Michelle:"Of course,but I'm still putting your name on the birth certificate"

22 posted on 05/05/2014 7:23:29 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: latina4dubya

My first wife proposed to me. Obviously I accepted. She told me twenty years later that she didn’t want to move to Birmingham with a husband. I proposed to my second wife ... obviously she accepted. Great woman.


23 posted on 05/05/2014 7:23:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Both your answer and the preceding thread are right. Women want to be proposed to because they want the right of refusal and in some cases for the man to come begging for their hand.

Any hesitation on the part of a man to a woman’s proposal would indeed be remembered and used as hammer for years to come.

Women, in general, don’t like to be told they’re wrong, will hold it against you forever if you show them they are wrong, want their way at all times or they will hold it against you forever, expect you to read their minds and contrary to popular belief are the ones who are reluctant to make and sometimes maintain a commitment or to try to work through problems.

Too many take on the view that their husbands are the cash cow/sperm donor and that there is always a better man out there if they are disappointed in any way with their current spouse. They are also frequently assured that they could go it alone because the ex and/or the taxpayer will fund their lifestyle and kids.

I have seen too many guys who were devoted husbands who have either lived through these nightmares or are currently dealing with it. Although some of these things have been issues for me, I have worked through them with my wife of 42 years. She is not perfect and neither am I but we have been able to work through problems and still love each other above all others. I have found out over the years that she is not necessarily the norm based on a large pool of observations.


24 posted on 05/05/2014 7:24:51 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Alex Murphy

LOL. There was a comedian, I can’t think of his name, who talked about men having an ‘empty room’ that they can go to in their heads. When you ask them what they are thinking and they say nothing, they are not lying.

Women don’t have an ‘empty room’


25 posted on 05/05/2014 7:25:38 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: dangus

They’re afraid of rejection even if they were 100% certain of their mate’s response


26 posted on 05/05/2014 7:28:29 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever)
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To: Gay State Conservative

What? Are you insinuating the President of the United States would falsify a birth certificate???!!!!

(/snark)


27 posted on 05/05/2014 7:32:29 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Alex Murphy
We're not thinking anything. We're just walking around, looking around. This is the only natural inclination of men. To just kinda check stuff out.

Men are natural hunters observing their environment. Women are socialist observing their social interaction. This is why I do not think women should be warriors, no mind set for it.

When a group of women are told to climb a mountain they discuss how they feel about it. The men go right into the technical aspects right away.

28 posted on 05/05/2014 7:34:38 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: MNDude

A real woman can get her proposal and have her guy convinced that it was his idea.


29 posted on 05/05/2014 7:40:46 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: Lorianne

So true!

(Though not all men are like that, and there are certainly some empty-headed women out there too.


30 posted on 05/05/2014 7:42:07 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Dilbert San Diego
In my experience, and experience of other males friends, the females indirectly hint at these subjects.

Sometimes it's a little more direct. I know somebody who has made no secret about having NO interest in getting married ever. His girlfriend, who has always said she is fine with that, emailed him a photo of an engagement ring. Guess she's not as fine with the arrangement as she's been saying... In my opinion, not a smart move on her part.

31 posted on 05/05/2014 7:44:44 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Bear His image. Bring His message. Be the Church.)
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To: Alex Murphy

“IMO women are afraid to find out what men really think about their relationship”

I would state that differently, to the point of disagreement. Women really DO want to know what men think, but if there is some fragment of something that troubles them when this info is found out, they will often drive themselves (and thus you) crazy working it over in their emotional computers. And those do not have on-off switches.


32 posted on 05/05/2014 7:45:42 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: central_va

Women are natural gatherers. They are keenly observant of their environment: subtle differences in pattern, color, background. They had to be to find and gather food and raw materials for making things.

Everybody has skills. That’s why we survived as a species.

In a military environment, women it turns out are better at reconnaissance, they aren’t tricked as easily by camouflage. They are also very good snipers for the same reason.


33 posted on 05/05/2014 7:46:33 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: RJS1950

Have we had bad experiences with women in the past? Please don’t hold it against the rest of the women who are decent.

Women have also had bad experiences with men - but we also (the majority of us) know that not ALL men are cut from the same cloth.


34 posted on 05/05/2014 7:47:47 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: Hoffer Rand

Yep, maybe not so smart for her to send him pictures of rings.

But, her doing that is a good example of what I was getting at. She’s indirectly hinting at the subject of marriage, without coming right out and saying it.

Yes, assuming he’s really dead set against it, this will be a non-starter with him.

But then, she may think she can change his mind. oh well, people wonder about the battle of the sexes.........


35 posted on 05/05/2014 7:52:35 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Alex Murphy
We're not thinking anything. We're just walking around, looking around.

"I want a beer, and I want to see sumpthin naked." - Jeff Foxworthy

36 posted on 05/05/2014 7:56:15 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Very well said!


37 posted on 05/05/2014 8:01:04 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In most circumstances, rule No. 1 for women is to always position themselves to escape blame. Proposing marriage is not only taking a risk but it is also something she could have to take the blame for if she found herself in a bad marriage (well, it was YOUR idea...).

But, in all honesty, I think part of the answer is that she wants to test the man to be sure he really wants the marriage so if he doesn’t bring it up, she has her answer.


38 posted on 05/05/2014 8:14:20 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Every time you say no to a liberal, you make the Baby Barack cry.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
"Men and women are different regardless of what the leftist want."

Precisely.

I will never forget the day in 1996 when my then-fiancee, now husband, went down on one knee, asked me to marry him, and slipped a diamond on my finger. I was over the moon with joy. Wouldn't have been the same if I'd had to ask him.

39 posted on 05/05/2014 8:14:32 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Lorianne
In a military environment, women it turns out are better at reconnaissance, they aren’t tricked as easily by camouflage. They are also very good snipers for the same reason.

You get to pick to lead a squad of recon rangers into combat, one all female the other all male. Which would you choose?

40 posted on 05/05/2014 8:16:05 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Because the number of milliseconds a man hesitated to reply .... or DIDN'T hesitate to reply, implying that he had already thought through the scenario, and probably should have proposed at an earlier date and time - known only to the woman, and subject to change at any point.
41 posted on 05/05/2014 8:42:36 AM PDT by wbill
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To: SeekAndFind

Women have more fear of desertion than men do. If a man proposes there may be more security for the woman than if he is proposed to.


42 posted on 05/05/2014 8:51:07 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: SeekAndFind

Because deep down women don’t buy into the liberal BS about feminazism.


43 posted on 05/05/2014 8:51:29 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Lorianne
When you ask them what they are thinking and they say nothing, they are not lying

Yep, that's about right.

Or, it might be "Lunch". Or, it might be "The Benefits of the 4-3 defense over the 3-4 defense, but only if we get that LB from State. What was his name again? Well, him, or that other guy from Tech....." :-)

Stuff that we know the women in our lives really aren't interested in. Be glad that we have the "Nothing" filter.

Or, specifically in my case, I said "Nothing" the other night, because I know Mrs WBill isn't all that interested in a comparative analysis of a couple of mutual funds I'm considering for my 401k. She just wants the bottom line: "I like this because....". So, I was trying to figure out what the bottom line was, and which way I should jump. Still haven't figured it yet...that might be the topic of thought while I'm walking at lunch today. hmmmmm.....

ANNNNNNDDDD.....I wish some women had the "Nothing" filter. My M-i-L can talk the paint off the walls. We'll be leaving the house, pulling out of the driveway, and she'll still be walking alongside the car and talking. "You remember our nextdoor neighbor. You met her 14 years ago at that baby shower, right? She's the one who collects cow statues. Did you see that really cute new one where the cow is wearing a red dress and only has one horn? Adorable!!!!! Anyway, HER friend's daughter's babysitter said that......"

"Nothing". I'd be fine with that. :-)

44 posted on 05/05/2014 8:56:14 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Hoffer Rand

There comes a time in poker when you simply have to say, “$hit or get off the pot!”

While such an email might end the relationship with her, it will allow her to move on if marriage is what she really wants.

Your friend might find himself dying fatherless and alone.


45 posted on 05/05/2014 8:57:28 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: MNDude
they don’t propose, but they sure can pressure you to propose!

Mine told me that either we set a date, or she was leaving. I took that as a proposal, and accepted.

46 posted on 05/05/2014 8:58:12 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Fatherless should be childless.

Biologically, everyone has a Father.


47 posted on 05/05/2014 8:58:17 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Lorianne
They are keenly observant of their environment: subtle differences in pattern, color, background. They had to be to find and gather food and raw materials for making things.

Wouldn't you think that would apply moreso to hunters? What skills does one need to find an animal in the woods or tall grass, lying down, or hiding?

48 posted on 05/05/2014 9:00:36 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: PapaBear3625

Haha! Great way to put it.


49 posted on 05/05/2014 9:23:45 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: Lorianne

Jeff: Do you know what would be the best way to wipe out all of human kind if you were a space alien with a special kind of mind ray...? Make all women telepathic. Because if they suddenly found out about the kind of stuff that goes on in our heads they would kill us all on the spot. Men are not people - we are disgustoids in human form.


50 posted on 05/05/2014 9:50:32 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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