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Hash oil explosions rise with legalized marijuana
Associated Press ^ | May 6, 2014 2:07 AM EDT | Sadie Gurman

Posted on 05/06/2014 12:08:06 AM PDT by Olog-hai

The opening months of Colorado’s first-in-the-nation recreational marijuana industry have seen a rise in fiery explosions and injuries as pot users try to make the drug’s intoxicating oil in crude home-based laboratories.

Since Jan. 1, when sales began, the state’s only certified adult burn center has treated 10 people with serious injuries they suffered while making hash oil, compared with 11 in 2013 and one in 2012.

Law enforcement and fire officials, meanwhile, are grappling with how to respond, as the questionable legality of the process has made it difficult to punish amateur chemists. Some prosecutors are charging them with felonies, while others say hash oil production is protected under a provision of the new legal pot law. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bho; butanehashoil; cannabis; choomgang; colorado; explosions; hashoil; marijuana; rockymountainhigh; soma

1 posted on 05/06/2014 12:08:06 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Stoners doing chemistry. What could possibly go wrong?
2 posted on 05/06/2014 12:16:29 AM PDT by RichInOC (...Phi Kappa Sigma, Beta Rho '87..."Will I go schizo?" "It's a distinct possibility.")
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To: RichInOC

What’s worse is that “butane hash oil” is often abbreviated “BHO”. The Choom Gang rides again.


3 posted on 05/06/2014 12:18:30 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I had not really heard of hash oil so I went and read the article - seems they use it for a more potent high. I was hoping someone might have been trying to distill (if that’s the word) it for a more medicinal reason - say for an additive to a rub for pain killing or something. I have heard for so long that cannaboids have great potential for new pain killing drugs - surely the new laws would allow for further research in this area - that is if that was not just BS from those who like to smoke it!


4 posted on 05/06/2014 12:20:22 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: Olog-hai

Ummm ... it is simple distillation, but I suppose you have to ensure adequate ventilation - assuming that vapors are flammable. It ain’t rocket science ...

I had a distillation business in college, distilling cedar oil for the biology department. Extremely pure cedar oil was used for use with microscopes, as it has excellent refractory properties. Place a drop on a microscope slide over the specimen ...

Made $15/ounce ...


5 posted on 05/06/2014 12:23:05 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56

Looks like solvent extraction to me rather than distillation. Using butane as the solvent is hazardous in any case; quite flammable.


6 posted on 05/06/2014 12:25:49 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Hadn’t read the article b4 posting.

Butane? Talk about STUPID !!!

Use the universal solvent - H2O ...

Stuff the pot in a large flask, add distilled H2O, heat, run thru an H2O-cooled condensing tube, and collect in a beaker. Oil floats on top of the H2O - pipette the oil out of the beaker. Have to ensure to add H2O to the flask as it evaporates.

Exactly like making moonshine ...

It may take longer than using butane, but MUCH safer, also only costs about $30 for the lab equipment ...


7 posted on 05/06/2014 12:33:30 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56

Water’s not a universal solvent. It doesn’t dissolve non-polar compounds.


8 posted on 05/06/2014 12:38:38 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Lmo56

I would agree with you...a typical guy with some basic science knowledge and enthusiasm...can run a distillation system in his garage. Course, there are some general rules on ventilation and flames in the garage...which I suspect in this case, were violated. The same is true of safe ways to manufacture meth, which most people refuse to do in a safe manner....and you end up with folks doing in bathtubs and using some lousy sanitation habits.


9 posted on 05/06/2014 12:40:45 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Olog-hai

Just proves what I already said earlier in these type of threads. Legalizing does nothing to stop the illegal drug trade. Governments will set limits on drug potency and people will find ways to make more extreme versions.

All legalizing any of these drugs do is make it more likely others will try them and get hooked. The the cycle of needing more for the same high, then repeat the vicious cycle.


10 posted on 05/06/2014 12:40:56 AM PDT by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: Olog-hai

Nothing is 100%, but water is referred to as the universal solvent since it dissolves more substances than any other liquid ...


11 posted on 05/06/2014 12:45:44 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: LowOiL
Legalizing does nothing to stop the illegal drug trade.

You wan to rethink that sentence?

12 posted on 05/06/2014 12:49:17 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Lmo56

This dumb ass blow the side of an apartment out 6-9 months ago. The taxpayers and owners are the ones paying for the damage.


13 posted on 05/06/2014 1:29:38 AM PDT by Domangart (LBGT = NAMBLA)
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To: melsec
There are YouTube videos about the oil used for medicine. It can be used for IBS or Crohn's and I'm sure other reasons. There is a girl that was literally dying and needed her colon removed but cured herself with this oil. She states she is completely cured. I don't know if that means in remission or cured, but she is still using the oil.

Another source for info would be to read about the stock symbol GWPH. I can't remember the name of the company, but they are working on several chemicals removed from pot. They are excited about a treatment for MS right now. The stock looks risky, but maybe they will hit on something, no pun intended.

14 posted on 05/06/2014 1:30:01 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: Olog-hai

Butane is cheap, readily available, and very pure. It would make a great solvent for extracting the very hydrophobic THC. The problem is that these are stoned idiots doing the extraction.


15 posted on 05/06/2014 1:34:31 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Olog-hai
We actually have a pending murder charge (Manslaughter Two) related to a hash oil explosion and fire in my town.

I live east of Seattle.

The miscreants are three former Microsoft employees who were “cooking” in their apartment.

After the explosion, which moderately injured and burned the three guys, an entire section of the complex caught on fire.

An elderly woman, the first female Mayor of Bellevue, WA, fell and fractured her hip trying to evacuate.

She died a few weeks later, from respiratory and bladder infection issues, which is quite common for elderly females after hip fractures.

Marijuana will be legal in Seattle by July according to the latest estimate.

I think King County handles major criminal cases like this.

Bellevue PD has asked for a murder charge against the main perp.

The outcome is iffy.

The perp has a history of schizophrenia.

Plus, a strict reading of Bellevue Code actually seems to allow the manufacture of hash oil inside a residence.

16 posted on 05/06/2014 1:45:09 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: chuckles

It would be great to see it’s potential be realized. Yes I have heard some claim that it can cure cancer when ingested. When my niece was younger she used to smoke it and parroted the line “If God hadn’t meant us to smoke it then why did he put it here?”. I always responded that smoking it may be a misuse and we may find with it’s properties it is useful for many things in the future - besides rope and clothing which it was used for before being banned. I would like to be proven right in my lifetime! :)

Thanks for the info!


17 posted on 05/06/2014 1:50:13 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: Baynative; steve86
Washington State Ping.

“Hash oil explosions rise with legalized marijuana”

See my Comment #16.

A Bellevue, WA explosion may result in a murder charge.

An elderly former Bellevue mayor died two weeks after fracturing her hip trying to evacuate.

18 posted on 05/06/2014 1:58:43 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: melsec
Please be very careful with “edible” marijuana products.

There are really no enforced safety codes at the moment.

A recent survey of edible marijuana in Colorado found E. Coli, pesticides, herbicides, fertilizer, and high levels of certain metals.

19 posted on 05/06/2014 2:03:50 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

I don’t intend to go that way my friend but thanks for your concern - I am just hopeful that the plant may be used in a way that safely benefits people. I get arthritis in hands and feet plus a bad back - I noticed that there are some topical creams that are supposed to have some effect on pain without any psychotropic effect at all. I doubt they are available here in Australia or if they are they might be hard to find and not produced under any great scrutiny - but who knows the near future may change things.

Mel


20 posted on 05/06/2014 2:15:13 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: Olog-hai

Volatile aromatic hydrocarbons + heat source = poor outcomes


21 posted on 05/06/2014 2:43:12 AM PDT by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: melsec

I think there is a lot of positive things to come in the future with legalization, especially in MS and Cancer Research! Check out this site http://phoenixtears.ca/
I find it very typical of our government to tell us that there is no medicinal value to marijuana, yet our government holds the medical patent for it, they are once again, taking both sides of the argument. It’s a plant that like all the other life on this planet, was put on this earth by our creator (Seems like I read somewhere in The bible where it says all plants are good) It was used in hundreds of ways including medicine for thousands of years and It has been illegal for the last 70 or so years. I think the old adage follow the money might fit here.


22 posted on 05/06/2014 3:09:09 AM PDT by AzNASCARfan
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To: pepsionice

Ventilation?

23 posted on 05/06/2014 3:14:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Olog-hai

So I was using my girlfriends bottle of Hash Oil to stir fry some bananas, when all of a sudden, this huge collumn of flames shot up to the ceiling. I said Whoah! WTF. We threw pancake flour on top to smother the flames. //


24 posted on 05/06/2014 3:46:15 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: AzNASCARfan

My friend reckons once Dupont invented and patented nylon that they got the government to ban hemp using it’s misuse as the reason - I am unsure if that is true or not but the older I get the more suspicious I am of government actions - when I see what is happening to that farmer Bundy via Harry Reid and the turtle excuse in Nevada you have to wonder if they do anything that does not have some self interest! Thanks for the link I will check it out

God Bless

Mel

And yes God saw that all His creation was good including the hemp plant!


25 posted on 05/06/2014 4:52:03 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: melsec

You don’t have to use heat in the BHO method. The only reason one would is if one is in a hurry. Nevertheless it’s still dangerous and silly to do it indoors with heating elements present, where even an high wattage light bulb can set it off.

It’s not done to make a more potent high, it’s done to make a more convenient and portable high by using it for edibles. It’s also used mainly for less than grade B marijuana — as the article describes it’s made from the chaff and stems of the plant ... which is silly because the stems will yield nothing but foul tasting Chlorophyll.


26 posted on 05/06/2014 5:45:19 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Lmo56

THC is water insoluble. The method you’re designing is used to make commercial Hash — a more desirable compact and convenient form for either cooking or just traveling with. It’s done using crushed ice, water and sieves in the form of a set of bags in decreasing sieve size.

So basically with Butane or Alcohol or some other solvent you gather what passes through the filter, THC dissolved in the solvent, and with water and ice you gather what’s left in the filter, THC suspended in the water.

They both need to be dried. In the case of solvent, the hacks use electric heating elements while the pro’s only use a vacuum chamber, or the in between who would merely let it sit and evaporate itself — in a safe spot presumably.

For the water based extraction, it’s pressed and compressed over and over and then cured for several weeks in a cool dry place or for a few days in special curing ovens.

The oil ends up in a very sticky liquid form — is difficult to work with unless you’ve got it from a true pro like Rick Simpson’s Phoenix Tears oil.

The water method yields a lump of heavy THC/Particulate lump of clay — called bubble hash by some.

This as opposed to the dry and shake method or the more ancient hand rubbing method.


27 posted on 05/06/2014 6:01:53 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Usagi_yo

Naptha, everclear and 90% rubbing alcohol are also used to make “rick simpson oil” or “phoenix tears”. Some say it can cure some cancers. But mostly it is smoked


28 posted on 05/06/2014 6:10:26 AM PDT by winodog
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To: winodog

I find that just plain Hash is good enough for all needs, unless you just want that big fat blunt.

A lot of people who need THC for either pain, insomnia, anxiety or racing thoughts can’t smoke it or won’t smoke it.

I know of some cancer people who are are on the Gerson system (method) and supplement themselves with Phoenix tear’s oil.


29 posted on 05/06/2014 6:19:33 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: SeeSharp; LowOiL

Why? What Low Oil said is correct.. You legalize one aspect of dangerous drugs and 3 more problems come up.


30 posted on 05/06/2014 8:01:59 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Nevertheless, legalizing drugs does stop the illegal drug trade. By definition.
31 posted on 05/06/2014 4:53:03 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp
You wan to rethink that sentence?

Nope. Over 14 years here on FR reading opinions on this subject, and haven't seen anything yet that will change my my mind except the mind altering drugs some want to legalize.

32 posted on 05/08/2014 5:10:04 AM PDT by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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