Posted on 05/06/2014 6:59:44 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
Fox News reported yesterday that Kiev is sending an "elite National Guard" to Odessa, and today the International Business Times reported that Kiev is sending an "elite National Guard" to Slavyansk.
Who makes up the ranks of this elite National Guard when Vice News reported on March 19, 2014 - in their article "A look Inside Ukraine's Volunteer National Guard" - and in it said then that Ukraine had - by its own admission - only 6,000 combat-ready troops?
Looks like Kiev didn't/doesn't have a pot to even... much less an "elite National Guard."
BTW, Vice News was the news outfit whose reporter Simon Ovstrovsky was - thankfully - released on/around April 24, 2014.
There is an online article "EuroMaidan creates National Guard units" 1/29/2014.
In the article, it is reported that the National Guard is made up of Maidan Self-Defense, Right Sector represented by one of its units, "The Vikings" and Cossacks.
“Right Sector represented by one of its units, “The Vikings” and Cossacks.”
As in 1st SS Cossack division, and the 5th SS Viking divisions. (both recruited from Baltic and eastern Euro countries)
And then they stand there in slack jawed amazement and righteous indignation when people point out that their inner Nazi is showing.
And when he said most Americans and Tea Partiers do not support intervention in Ukraine, you answered.
“There you go again with yet another false statement.”
So explain to us why his proposition is false. Why do you believe his statement is wrong. You said it was.
You have no credibility. You made an ad hom attack in post #2 that I devastated in post #4. You followed that up with quoting me in post #13, and I devastated that post by showing proof from the Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, quoting them, which showed that a majority of Americans are anti-interventionism. It stretches across party lines. And now you finally get around to trying yet another angle and line of attack... In this post, you use the word “strongly implies.” That is your misrepresentation of what i posted and yet another attempt at trying to pigeonhole me. Right Sector is mentioned once in the first post by me. It is mentioned once in the second post by me. In both posts (#1 and #2) I list all three that the article from EuroMaidan listed. ....
WhiskeyX could go to Google to find the news reports from Fox News, Yahoo News, NBC News (that he said I don't link to), and find them.
The WSJ/NBC News poll is easily found, too.
I wonder if WhiskeyX really wants the truth...
“Had the Allies strictly enforced the First World War Armistice terms, Germany and Hitler’s NAZI regime would have been put out of business with a minimal loss of life and treasure”
Think hard Call to Duty video game commando. See if you can dream up why the USA, Britain and France did not decide to invade Germany in 1933?
Although wars are really fun, and hindsight is 20/20, England was devastated financially and psychologically by the war. They basically had an entire generation of young men slaughtered. The USA was wallowing deeper into the great depression and had just overturned Prohibition. WWI combined with the Spanish Flu was not exactly a fond memory among Americans. The gathering of WWI vets had just been mowed down by McArthur in DC.
France? They had higher losses than England and were still trying to figure out which brick went with which in the rubble. The other Ally, Russia, was in Stalin’s death grip right then experiencing the worst of their terror. And last, having been given the finger at Versailles by the others, former Ally Japan was beginning to act oddly in China right about then.
Everyone who fought in the war was sitting around in catatonic shock writing cathartic tomes of novels.
And right then, exactly then,,, because the Germans were violating some small provisions in Versailles, you think a leader then could have made a case for attacking Germany?
There was nobody, anywhere, who thought Germany needed attacking in the early 1930s. Or really even in the late 30s right up until they launched the war.
“Then you follow up your strawman that I dealt with with just more baseless Ad Homs that are hollow and false.”
There is nothing baseless about my criticism. You made statements contrary to the evidence. For example, the following 2009 poll makes it abundantly clear there is nothing overwhelming about American non-interventionist sentiment. In fact, in many polls such non-interventionist sentiment was the minority opinion and ha been for ears earlier. See:
The title of the Pew Research Center poll, which asked 2,000 U.S. citizens about United States’ role in the world, says it all: “Isolationist Sentiment Surges to Four-Decade High.”
The survey found that almost half of Americans (49 percent) think the United States should stay out of foreign affairs and let other countries get along the best they can on their own. That number is the highest in 40 years and represents an increase from 30 percent who felt that way just seven years ago.
http://www.rferl.org/content/New_Poll_Finds_Americans_Favor_US_Isolationism_Acting_Alone/1894924.html
Public Sees U.S. Power Declining as Support for Global Engagement Slips
America’s Place in the World 2013
http://www.people-press.org/2013/12/03/public-sees-u-s-power-declining-as-support-for-global-engagement-slips/
The Founding Fathers, notwithstanding the comments of George Washington taken out of context, found it necessary to participate in collective security arrangements with America’s international allies. The need is now more urgent than it was two centuries ago. Using your polls to claim an overwhelming opinion in favor of you proposition has the same appearance and stench as the Obama and Communist tactics. It really matters not what you say your political affiliation is supposed to be. A falsehood by friend or by an enemy is still a falsehood.
See post 26. There are other polls which indicate American opinion against interventionism or for isolationism has been the MINORITY opinion and not the majority opinion, at least until 2013-214, and only by 2 percentage points even then. Minority and slight majority percentages in no way can be interpreted as clear evidence of “overwhelming” opinion as claimed.
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“The Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll (just one poll that shows the same): it found an opposition to interventionism -— “an anti interventionist current... sweeps across part lines.”
WhiskeyX could go to Google to find the news reports from Fox News, Yahoo News, NBC News (that he said I don’t link to), and find them.
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Their articles take the phrase “an anti interventionist current... sweeps across part lines.” from the 2009 Pew Research poll I referenced in which the anti-interventionist opinion was a 49% minolrity opinion, which can hardly be honestly described as an “overwhelming” majority opinion. Neither can the 52% slight majority opinion be honestly described as “overwhelming.” You hyperbole simply is not supported by an overwhelming number of poll results.
The WSJ/NBC News poll is easily found, too.
I wonder if WhiskeyX really wants the truth...
“For example, the following 2009 poll makes it abundantly clear “
A 2009 poll asking -generally- if America should “intervene in the world”, is a very different animal than one asking if Americans should intervene on behalf of the EU and their pet Nazis, in 2014, in a budding civil war, where we would likely wind up in a shooting war with Russia.
Today support for soldiers is very high, but support for intervention is low. Nobody supported the intervention in Libya but Obama and the EU flipped the American people the bird and did it anyway. In Syria, support was even lower and the opposition was more vocal. Obama was still going to attack but Putin outsmarted him and made it too difficult.
But looking around at recent events, I see very little support for a new war. Especially one to support a government that many see as installed by an EU and State Dept funded Nazi coup.
Im really sorry that Putin is mean to the homos. But Obamas revenge has gone way too far.
It helps to understand what good comes out of those situations. Working with other countries greatly helps at other times such as when natural disasters result in several countries providing assistance. The Ukrainian flag ship took part in a NATO exercise.
The international group that consisted of naval ships from several nations virtually stopped Somali piracy. The Ukrainian officers and men that worked along side us undoubtedly not only provided insight into the Ukrainian military but also provided contacts for the future.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the members of our military have more insight from personal contacts in Ukraine than the White House.
Your ignorance about the history of Hitler’s pre-war aggressions is a yawning black hole given your misuse of the dates. It gives the impression you know far more about a software game called Call of Duty than you do about the real world, so your attempt at sarcasm is a complete flop. Before tossing around such ignorant accusations, try looking up the dates for the German reoccupation of the Rhineland and other actions prohibited by the Armistice. Also note how the German military leadership says they would have removed Hitler and his NAZI Party from power by force if the Allies had moved to enforce the terms of the Armistice. Your attempt to trivialize the vast number of lives and the vast treasures lost in the war due to the failure of Europe and the United States to enforce the Armistice and the Kellogg-Briand Pact reflects poorly on your conduct.
Dream on if you think most Americans want even more wars. Americans aren’t shy about wars where there is a clear American interest at stake. But they have no desire to continue this state of continuous war. Especially for NWO and EU designs, and for revenge because Russia was mean to homos.
This current drumbeat started last summer when Russians started kicking out USAID, NGOs and started passing their homo laws. And Obama has been hell bent on revenge since then.
This crap has to stop. We have been in continuous war now almost the length of all other wars combined last century and show no sign of ending. WWII was 3.5 years. WWI was 1.5 years. Vietnam was about 7 for us depending how you count. Korea was 3. Gulf War was a little less than a year. We are coming up on year 13 of this and we are looking for new ones that have nothing to do with us.
A solid case can be made that DC doesn’t want us to focus internally.
It needs to stop.
So says the same person who failed to bother to get the date of the German reoccupation of the Rhineland even close to correct.
Try finding credible polls in which the percentages against U.S. and NATO defending Moldova, Romania, Slovakia, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia are greater than 66% of the respondents in 66% of the polls.
“German military leadership says they would have removed Hitler and his NAZI Party from power by force if the Allies had moved to enforce the terms of the Armistice”
NO dice sport. Take the word of Nazis AFTER the war who were telling us how they almost though about opposing Hitler? Please don’t be a tool. They were making themselves look less culpable. “It was all Hitler, we were really opposed to his plan”. LOL
And as for the dates, I never mentioned the Rhineland. The Germans were continually violating Versailles almost as soon as He came to power in 1933. He far exceeded the 100,000 army in 35. Launched Battleships in 36. He started fighting in Spain in 36 with an Air Force he had already built.
Dance around it all you want. In ‘33 Hitler came to power and started his violations from moment one. Nobody wanted to restart the war, though armchair video game commandos like you think they should have.
Even in the later more brazen violations, nobody wanted to use force.
The dirt truth is that even had Chamberlain come home from Munich and said we much prepare for war, his government would have toppled the next day. Churchill was openly laughed at then for suggesting Hitler was planning on killing Jews.
And who the hell are you to decide if I have poor conduct? Poor conduct is trying to beat the drums for a war on the eastern front in Ukraine, on behalf of Nazis, and trying to drag us into it.
THAT is trivializing lives.
You glittering jewel of ignorance. I never brought up the occupation of the Rhineland. That was you. I was mentioning German violations of Versailles that began the moment Hitler came to power.
You assumed I was speaking of the Rhineland. You do know about the word “assume” don’t you?
National Guard existed in 1991-2000 so it’s not new. It’s comprised of former soldiers and Maidan Self-Defense. As I mentioned in another post, Right Sector said they’re not joining the Guard.
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