Skip to comments.Raw video: Man arrested at Gilford school board meeting
Posted on 05/06/2014 2:00:06 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda
Raw video: Man arrested at Gilford school board meeting
Published on May 5, 2014 William Baer, a parent upset over a reading selection in Gilford, was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct when police said he did not leave a school board meeting after being asked
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Arrest was unnecessary. However, he did speak out of turn and did disrupt the meeting. It would have been more suited to the crime if he had just been sited for trespass.
So questioning our elected officials is now an offense were you can be arrested? The young robot school board girl that just kept repeating sir...sir is the problem.
One day these punk liberal so-called educators will learn they work for us.
I know it’s easier said than done but concerned parents need to UNITE. Stand together with those who speak out. The other people in the meeting should have gotten between the cop and the concerned parent. Force the cops to arrest them all. The citizens have been inattentive too long.
Before speaking, Baer was told he had two minutes. He went beyond that time and sat
down, but then got into an argument with another parent who approved of the book at
the high school.
“So what is the remedy here?” Baer asked.
The board said it would not take questions on the matter.
“Why dont you have me arrested then?” he asked, after which an officer arrested
him and took him to the police station.
It was wrongful arrest, but he put that bee in her bonnet. “Why don’t you just arrest me then?? (I double-dog-DARE you!!)” Walk over that chalk line, sister! “As you say, Sir”. That room is meant for little children, not fully grown men and women in their office clothing. Could be due to the crowded room, the speaker chick ‘felt threatened’. ( “I thought he was going to grab my blouse!”.)
The word is “cited” and you think that this arrest is in any way appropriate?
Since when are we supposed to be limited to two minute limits on our rights?
Anyone who is really concerned about liberal indoctrination in public schools shouldn't have their kids in them to start with. That's what the whole public school paradigm was designed to do from the get-go.
Most disturbing to me was the way the cop reached down and took a hold of his wrist.
Ready to bend, twist, break, etc., for pain compliance.
(My imagination) Then if Baer screamed and collapsed to his knees, he could beat Baer for resisting, failure to stand/lay when commanded, and ‘resisting.’
That’s incorrect and a bad assumption on your part.
He’s a lawyer who is planning to take this as a case.
What was the crime?
So sure, everyone just jump and start talking all at once. That leads to everyone talking and no one listening - the opposite of civil discourse. The right is to peacefully assemble. In order to maintain the peace, it is necessary to have rules where everyone gets a chance to speak. Thus the need to limit each person to the same amount of time. Two min in this case. If that rule is not put in, or if that rule is not followed, then one person gets their right to speech at the cost of others rights to speech.
The man that was arrested did not follow the rules for the conduct of the meeting. He spoke out of turn and did not yield when required by the chair.
The right to free speech is not absolute. You do not have the right of free speech on my property. You can not endanger others or defame them.
He was disruptive to the meeting. The Chair should have asked the officer to Trespass the man (remove him). Failure to voluntary remove himself would then result in removal and citation.
However, that is not what happened. Instead of using the least amount of law/force, the officer jumped straight to disorderly conduct and arrested.
two articles below - the first link has two videos on it.
Watch What Happens When One Parent Speaks Out at a School Board Meeting About a Controversial Book Assigned to His Daughter
Dad handcuffed for protesting graphic-sex book
I’m sure that was public property . and I’ll stop at that because your post just pissed me off.
...and they wonder why conservatives are fleeing Red England in droves.
I am also sure that you are aware that public property does not allow everyone to do what ever they want. City parks can be closed. Individuals who trespass after hours can be arrested.
Its more like we have tax crushed dems moving from places like New York. at least the people from mass for the most part are on the red side.
Oh like the occupy crowd. that worked.
The occupy crowd does NOT have the right to use a city park or public location without the permission of the city. However, the city officials decided for political reasons not to enforce the removal of those individuals. The failure to act on behalf of the city was a political decision not a legal one.
There's such an emphasis on order and protocol that that average person just gives up.
Or they speak out of turn and get arrested.
so the city broke the law? nice
No, with the occupy crowd, they failed to enforce the law. Perhaps a minor difference.
I agree and it time to stop the nonsense.
Kinda like obummer does. Don’t like a law don’t enforce it.
I am going to assume, based on what I saw in the video, that the meeting took place at a school library. That is NOT public property, it is state property.
Not all property owned by the state (or school district) is public property. Rather it is state property. State property is “private” in that it is owned by the state (school board) who has and exercises full ownership of that property. They have the right to say who is able to enter or use that property. Further, they have the right to trespass (remove) someone from that property should they not be in compliance with the rules set forth by the owner of the property. In many ways, this is the same right you exercise to keep someone off of your private property.
For example, you can not enter a military base without permission of the military. That is state property. A city park that is open to the public is a subset of state property and is truly public property. Sidewalks are considered public property as well as roads because they are usable by any member of the public.
Some of the offending material is excerpted on this page. http://m.eagnews.org/?url=http%3A%2F%2Feagnews.org%2Fnew-hampshire-father-opposes-required-reading-of-pornographic-novel-in-9th-grade-english%2F&dm_redirected=true#2883 . It’s too offensive to post on FR, but it’s being forced on children in public school. Take the time to read it before defending it any further.
This was a public meeting. The parents have every right (and obligation) to speak up against the sexual abuse of their children. No two minute rule would stop me from defending my child.
So your original comment was about a crime being committed. And there was no crime. And when you’re called on it, you try to BS me.
"Speak for over two minutes and get arrested" indeed. Good thing George Washington and a few of his gutsy friends ignored that rule.
people better start standing up and speaking out....if it happens thousands of times across the country the msg will be sent...
and the govt and its workers don’t break the “rules” everyday of the year?...because they do...do they get arrested and taken away?...never....
but gee, speaking out of turn is soooooo much worse then defecating on cop cars, raping women in tents, and leaving your little todders outside to roam by themselves while you fornicate in a tent and use drugs....
did you ever ask yourself why OUR public officials seeking OUR input would have it in a place that THEY control even though the citizens pay every stinking dime for it....
what the govt entities do is PRETEND to have open meetings...they then set a strict narrow agenda of approved ideas and if you wonder off the rez....whammo....you're a trouble maker...
I’m going to guess that you have taken advantage of your states new pot laws to make a statement like that.
I just posted to another thread that I didn’t want to view the vid of the cat being kicked because I would never be able to unwatch it. That is to say, it will always be in my memory.
This father’s daughter was given “literature” to read that she can never unread. As a parent, I would bend over backwards to protect my kids from sleazy material, and if someone sneaked some in without my knowing, I’d be livid. I don’t blame this father for his outrage. No amount of apology can undo what was done.
I suspect the 2-minute rule was just an empty gesture to give parents the sense that they had some input in their kids’ curriculum. I also suspect the father knew that. If he were my father, I’d have been very proud of him. Fortunately, we didn’t have such issues in my day.
Big battle going on in our school also.
Head of school board announced that anyone not having a child in school would not be allowed to speak.
(Taxpayers have no voice)
Perhaps you missed my point. His crime was being disruptive to the meeting which is technically “disturbing the peace”. However, it would have been better handled by the Chair by asking the officer to trespass (remove) the individual. That would have likely resulted in just a citation.
So you are asserting that because one person breaks the law, that now everyone can break the law. I do not agree with that line of thinking. I believe the laws should be enforced.
Technical ... perhaps, but that is the current state of the law.
Making false accusations about people you have know knowledge of is a tactic used by the left and is unbecoming of a Freeper. I have not now, or ever consumed any form of pot. Please keep your false accusations to yourself.
I am of the opinion that at a minimum, a lawsuit is in order and perhaps pornography charges could be brought against the teachers that distributed the material.
Laws ( or just rules as in this case) which violate the constitution are not to be obeyed. This father was absolutely right to defend his daughter and by extension, everyone else’s child. This incident demonstrates just how far our country has fallen away from our constitution.
So, what’s your story? Fall out of the left side of your bed this morning?
This incident was more like Nazi Germany or Mao’s China than the USA.
The correct method to address this would be for the father to address the school board, properly and in accordance with the rules. If that did not achieve his goals, then file a lawsuit against the school board. And if that did not work, swear out a complaint / arrest warrant against the teacher and/or school board that supplied the pornographic materials.
The correct order for affecting change in a democratic republic is (metaphorically):
The jury box cover civil disobedience which is what this father did by refusing to follow the rules of the meeting. Perhaps that was his intent and perhaps he wanted to be arrested. Too many times people escalate to the the biggest stick that they have. Just like the Chair and the police officer in this case escalated to “disturbing the peace”. The officer could have simply told the man to leave and if he did not, cite him for trespass. However, because both sides wanted a confrontation, the situation quickly escalated and in my opinion, unnecessarily.
Somehow I can’t envision you as a participant in the original Tea Party.
I imagine that the poor Jews made pretty well the same arguments about following the rules in the 1930s.
You seem to imply that this guy deserved to be arrested, simply because another of the parents decided to engage him in a debate. There were a number of far better options open to them from allowing him to finish his argument to simply moving on. Instead, in true fascist manner, he was taken away and handcuffed and charged with an offense.
This guy is a hero for standing up for his daughter and for all of our children.
You, however, think that it’s perfectly alright that he was arrested. You have kids?
Actually I agree with him being arrested, although the charge should be enrolling his kid in a public school.