Skip to comments.Heinlein, Hugos, and Hogwash
Posted on 05/08/2014 7:29:55 PM PDT by Perdogg
Robert Heinlein could not win a Hugo Award today.
If you are a fan of science fiction, you know how shocking that statement is. If you are not a science fiction fan, I salute you for having better things to do with your time than read stories about space princesses being rescued from bug-eyed monsters by stalwart and clean-limbed fighting men of Virginia; but please let me explain why this is shocking.
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I’ve read this earlier. Reminded me of Starship Troopers and how they limiting the vote to the military. I’d seriously consider running for office on such a platform. What’s wrong with the idea?
I’m rereading the Edgar Rice Burroughs Venus series now.
I didn’t recognize it when I read it as a teenager but its an anti communist story.
I think a critical component to voting should be paying taxes. That doesn't mean everybody has to be rich. We need a tax structure where everybody pays something. That "something" immediately makes all but the uber-warped liberals into somewhat of a fiscal conservative. The current freebie structure we have make a big voting block who vote to fill their pockets with money from those who pay taxes.
It’s a concept which appeals to many in the military.
But other than that...no.
So only government employees who are trained to follow orders no mater what can vote? And you don’t see a flaw in that?
Thanks for the tip. I haven’t read any John C. Wright, but I’ve just ordered his Chaos trilogy from Amazon, in used paperbacks. Looks promising.
Heinlein would be required reading if I were a high school English teacher. My English teacher had us read The Puppet Masters and I think read it 5 more times over the summer.
Nothing is wrong with the concept as long as you really grok (sorry I’m a Heinlein fan) it. It was more complicated than just allowing the military to vote.
If R.A.H. were still with us; I suspect he’d be reading John Scalzi & Robert J. Sawyer. Both of them have won Hugo’s and have written novels with STRONGLY Heinleinian themes.
If you’ve missed it; find and read Sawyer’s “Calculating God”!
Back in the mid-1980s while I was in the U.S.Navy, I bought a sci-fi anthology that featured all female authors. I also bought a couple more sci-fi novels written by men. Who had written what didn’t matter to me until I got into the anthology and found some of the short stories were about lesbians.
I’m not interested in the stories of lesbians or other homosexuals. This would include others, such as straights, involved in S&M - not interested.
Mel Brooks on Blazing New Comedic Trails in ‘Blazing Saddles’
“They can’t make that movie today because everybody’s so politically correct. You know, the NAACP would stop a great movie that would do such a great service to black people because of the N-word,” says Brooks. “You’ve got to really examine these things and see what’s right and what’s wrong. Politically correct is absolutely wrong. Because it inhibits the freedom of thought. I’m so lucky that they weren’t so strong then and that the people that let things happen on the screen weren’t so powerful then. I was very lucky.”
I’m still trying to finish the Nebula 1958 Anthology.
Seems to be a lot of prissiness among SciFi writings fans. Didn’t know that this even existed. Well, I guess political correctness infects even those who like non-existent worlds and people.
I’ve met a lot of Sci Fi actors/actresses and some writers. Found them to be very nice, educated, and friendly, even after spending hours at SciFi conventions. They seem to have a high regards for most of their colleagues (don’t get me started on the Shatner/Takei issue).
Why can’t we all just get along?
If you want to read or hear really nasty PC stuff, go to any American university campus today. Just tell the Moslem students that you are Jewish and see what happens. Tell the Marxists that marxism has killed more people than any other “ism” and they will deny it, justify it, or try to silence you.
Do the old Charles Bronson “finger pointing as a gun” gesture and you’ll end up in jail, even if you are 5 years old.
Say something negative about a liberal woman (esp. if it is true), and you are labelled a mysognist or whatever despite the fact that you are married to a woman. Now, if you are a man and married to a man, you might get away with it. If not, you’re toast.
Let’s let Sci-Fi writing remain one of the last PC-untouched bastions of literature. Otherwise, “beam me up Scotty, there’s no intelligent life down here.”
It's gone in the US, and in the Western World for the foreseeable future. The why’s are complicated. There's a ton of legal and political history, and it's not all bad. The truth is, the so-called “givers” haven't always treated the so-called “takers” like humans (and the meaning of those concepts has changed radically troughout time), and it sort reinforces the idea that people can't be trusted to treat people like people. It's human nature. If only someone besides humans would take charge...
SciFi in the 1950-70’s was different. I like it better than today's, in general (George RR Martin... his Song of Ice and Fire/ Game of Thrones series is a masterpiece [and HBO does a great adaptation], I wish he'd finish it already.)
But, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Starship Troopers, Stranger in a Strange Land, etc, are awesome. Written by a man who loved humanity and loved in country. By the way, same can be said for Slaughterhouse Five, Breakfast of Champions, and Cat Cradle, different people, different perspectives, but the same love of mankind in general and the American way in particular, but very different.
I'll finish “The Mote in God's Eye” tonight, which has some of that same militaristic honor vibe, and some cool human nature commentary. A great book.
Orson Scott Card wrote Ender’s Game for every kid who though they were smart but misunderstood. The other books in the Ender Quintet were Antrhobology 101 for Americans who though they could understand other people and other groups by applying their own views to explain the actions of others (another masterpiece, and I wish he'd write about whoever created that virus). Card has some beliefs that people who loved his work and his philosophy thought intolerant. they were surprised, and that shock made them mad. I think it's ironic given his message. As a SciFi writer, he's brilliant.
Also, read Patrick O’Brian. Not Sci Fi, at all, but a similar old school philosophy that won't be popular now, but was an awesome series.
But, in the end, I think this is simple. Until the late 1960’s, then changing through about 1980, our society started to reject the pre-196(4/5-ish) American culture, in favor of some Post-modern, more equitable beliefs, and that change included the arts, movies, literature, TV, etc. That wasn't all bad. There were major inequities and cultural failings in our country and Western culture that were ignored. The problem was that we started ignoring the good stuff that was there, and too many of today's people forget the good.
It's a shame. It's also probably a luxury of being rich and safe, or fat dumb and happy for too long.
Federal Service Guarantees Citizenship.
You’re probably correct, I’ve not read the book for awhile!
It would be reasonable if it included the hard civic service in the book, too.
But today it might fail because only 1.5% are active military. We’d see public school teachers, environmentalists, NGO workers and other left dominated groups say they serve the public, they get to vote.
Michael Savage proposed a system where anyone collecting federal benefits, from a federal civilian employee to someone collecting TANF or Section 8 housing vouchers or SNAP food benefits or Medicaid is ineligible to vote. If you live even partially at the benefit of the treasury, you don’t get to vote on how the money is apportioned.
Analog ran a story called The Vaults of Permian Love. I started reading it, groaned when I got to the lesbian, but stuck it out and was pleasantly surprised by the story. There were no lesbian love scenes, but the fact that one character was a lesbian was crucial to the rather interesting premise of the story, not just a gratuitous drop-in.
John C. Wright is really, really good. It should say who wrote the article because conservative people who dig sci-fi should know his name if they don’t.
Once a classically educated libertarian, now a conservative Catholic whose ‘golden age’ series is the best thing to come out since Dan Simmon’s Hyperion, at least that I have read. If there’s any justice he will be looked back at as being up there with Gene Wolfe, another conservative Catholic sci-fi writer, one who is actually pretty well regarded even among the lib elite, as he should be.
I haven’t read the Chaos series, but have read ‘count to a trillion’ and the golden age series. I thought it was tremendous, really a love letter to classic sci-fi series of the 60s using an argument about the dangers and benefits of where technology might be taking us, from a pretty conservative and Christian point of view. Anyone who digs really good sci-fi from say the late 50s-60s would dig it, but many let his politics turn them off, which doesn’t say too much for them as sci-fi fans, in my opinion.
The libs can’t stand this guy, his blog is full of everything between dissertations on natural law to classic sci-fi to modern politics. Usually with a heavy Catholic view, at least since his conversion, which he claims is miraculous and happened when he had a heart attack.
I was thinking more along the lines of anybody who has the stomach for hard work, service, and willingness to defend the country, as having a higher liklyhood of not abusing their vote. But, this is all dreaming, not even conservative utopias should be trusted, so you’re probably right in your objection. Vanity of vanities, all is vanity!
I had the rather odd thought that American Men should marry Russian women, and American women should marry Russian men...
Should apply to state workers too.
To be honest, I think we need compulsory military service the way South Korea does. I believe that when they reach a certain age, they have to put in 2 years. I would like to make it “compulsory” if you want the right to vote. I also think we need better war preparations in this country, particularly by building the same type of shelters and giving the same kind of basic training and drills that the Russians put their people through. They’re preparing for a world war and a nuclear exchange. We’re likely to go down with a single EMP strike. But I also want a million dollars, and maybe a supermodel for a wife! So, I’m not too hopeful on the average American giving up their comfort and making sacrifices like that, willing to go out and make the constitutional changes this would require.
I just re-read the Pellucidar series, found ‘em in a used bookstore, all with the Frazetta covers.
I thought there was a lot of pretty conservative ideas I missed the first time around. Definitely would have got ERB vilified if he put it out today.
A perfect rebuttal to a longstanding proposal.
Heinlein definitely had a deviant side. Want proof? In “Time Enough for Love”, Lazarus Long has a romantic relationship with his mother. ‘Nuff said.
I need to reread his book, as it has been quite awhile. I do recall that there were indeed other ways to qualify. But, the premise, I most certainly embrace, that citizenship is not a birthright.
critical component to voting should be paying taxes
I agree, this is why I favor a consumption tax, with no exemptions. When everyone has a stake in the game the game will change.
At least Russian women can drive a tractor and harvest potatoes. Most American women can’t do that.
However, my wife can really cook potatoes and I taught my daughter to drive at tractor at age 12. We were never on a kibbutz, but we like farming so but I guess I’ll have to create a new saying:
You can take a Jew out of the kibbutz or shtetl, but you can’t take the kibbutz/shtetl out of the Jew.
Interestingly, none of my Russian or Austrian grandparents lived in them either. They were city folk. Some left because of the pogroms that were just starting in Russia. A few left Austria for a new life in America (still under the Hapsburgs). The rest stayed and were killed in the Holocaust.
I’m so regular American that I bleed Red, White and Blue. And proud of it. I really hate those PC fools. They make life bland, fearful and rigid, just the opposite of what freedom should be.
Just rambling. It is late and I’m going home to get some dinner.
Russian farm women can do that. And there probably isn't a single American farm woman who can't do it, too.
In the book everybody could serve in some form or another. They would find a job you were capable of doing. For example, even a paraplegic could be used to test new medicine.
Ah, yes; great idea. Keith Laumer explored it...
You might want to try out some of John Ringo's books. The first book in his Aldenata series is A Hymn Before Battle, and is available for free at Baen Publishing's website at the aforementioned link. The Last Centurian is not free, but you won't find a more conservative freeper-style book short of Matt Bracken.
Because it has an unpopular name ... Fascism. Perhaps we can re-brand it as Smileists and Smileism.
Yea, that’s happened to me a few times. It’s like getting a bucket of cold water tossed in your face. Good for some, not for me.
Thanks for posting this.
I love Major Mike's comment to the article at the link.
Can you imagine the invective and vitriol that Farnham's Freehold would bring if it were published today?
[no Muslim would hold a white slave eunuch - that's racist]
Starship troopers is a bit dated today. It’s Jingoism at it’s finest. Today’s U.S you can’t even be an otherwise law abiding citizen and not offend somebody.
I read a lot of his books. Entertaining, easily understood if a bit over the top but his style and my tastes evolved over time.
I mean who doesn’t like: “An armed society is a polite society”?
You might also want to look at the work of Tom Kratman. He’s collaborated with John Ringo on a couple of books, and written some on his own. Also, Michael F. Flynn writes very intelligent, not left-leaning books. He’s been compared to Heinlein on numerous occasions.
Something we are in agreement on, who knew?
If you are unfortunate enough to be in the military under this regime... You are knowingly or unwittingly a tool of the Marxist in the white hut.
The Heinlein paradigm only works when patriots are commander in chief.