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“I am the 70s child of a health nut. I wasn’t vaccinated”
Mamamia ^ | 01/03/2014 | Amy Parker

Posted on 05/09/2014 6:18:00 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA

I was brought up on an incredibly healthy diet: no sugar till I was one, breastfed for over a year, organic homegrown vegetables, raw milk, no MSG, no additives, no aspartame. My mother used homeopathy, aromatherapy, osteopathy, we took daily supplements of vitamin C, echinacea, cod liver oil.

I had an outdoor lifestyle; I grew up next to a farm, walked everywhere, did sports and danced twice a week, drank plenty of water. I wasn’t even allowed pop; even my fresh juice was watered down to protect my teeth, and I would’ve killed for white, shop-bought bread in my lunch box once in a while and biscuits instead of fruit like all the other kids.

We only ate (organic local) meat maybe once or twice a week and my mother and father cooked everything from scratch – I have yet to taste a Findus crispy pancake and oven chips were reserved for those nights when mum and dad had friends over and we got a “treat.”

As healthy as my lifestyle seemed, I contracted measles, mumps, rubella, a type of viral meningitis, scarlatina, whooping cough, yearly tonsillitis, and chickenpox, some of which are vaccine preventable. In my twenties I got precancerous HPV and spent 6 months of my life wondering how I was going to tell my two children under the age of 7 that mummy might have cancer before it was safely removed.

So having the “natural immunity sterilised out of us” just doesn’t cut it for me. How could I, with my idyllic childhood and my amazing health food, get so freaking ill all the time?

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"If you think your child’s immune system is strong enough to fight off vaccine-preventable diseases, then it’s strong enough to fight off the tiny amounts of dead or weakened pathogens present in any of the vaccines."

"But not everyone around you is that strong, not everyone has a choice, not everyone can fight those illnesses, and not everyone can be vaccinated. If you have a healthy child, then your healthy child can cope with vaccines and can care about those unhealthy children who can’t."

1 posted on 05/09/2014 6:18:00 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: exDemMom

Ping!


2 posted on 05/09/2014 6:18:55 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: MD Expat in PA
Bingo.

We have the luxury of developing half-baked theories about vaccines. I even see people doing it with their poor dogs - advocating not getting rabies shots.

Those of us who remember the summer polio panics and friends with a brother or sister deaf or retarded because their mom had German measles while pregnant, know better.

3 posted on 05/09/2014 6:27:03 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia! OF the B)
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To: MD Expat in PA

“If you think your child’s immune system is strong enough to fight off vaccine-preventable diseases, then it’s strong enough to fight off the tiny amounts of dead or weakened pathogens present in any of the vaccines.”

The issue isn’t with those pathogens. It’s the chemicals injected directly into the bloodstream during critical stages of development.

There has to be a way to gain immunity without them


4 posted on 05/09/2014 6:30:18 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: AnAmericanMother

Fully agree; I bet you anything that if a genuine epidemic of polio (likely since it has hit Europe, the Middle East, and Africa) hit the US, these very idealists would be screaming about how the government didn’t do enough to protect their vaccine free spud.


5 posted on 05/09/2014 6:32:31 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: MD Expat in PA

I loved hearing of all the diseases like mumps and such that I had as a kid, and all the vaccinations, and I even liked that batch of shots the military used to give during the Vietnam war, and I have turned down a free tetanus shot, it always seemed like the more immunization, the better.


6 posted on 05/09/2014 6:32:39 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: MD Expat in PA
Thanks!

As healthy as my lifestyle seemed, I contracted measles, mumps, rubella, a type of viral meningitis, scarlatina, whooping cough, yearly tonsillitis, and chickenpox, some of which are vaccine preventable. In my twenties I got precancerous HPV and spent 6 months of my life wondering how I was going to tell my two children under the age of 7 that mummy might have cancer before it was safely removed.

That is because pathogens seriously don't care how healthy you are. They evolved specifically to evade the immune system. It also takes around two weeks for the immune system to start producing antibodies, so that the viruses or bacteria have plenty of time to incubate and cause disease before your body can put up defenses. Many pathogens can kill long before the body responds, and antibiotic or antiviral drugs don't work for everything. Vaccination has saved millions of lives, by preventing illness in the first place.

I have to say that the "healthy" lifestyle this woman's mother imposed on her and she is imposing on her children is a lifestyle of deprivation. While other kids got to eat tasty food, she was only allowed boring swill. I think that she is the exception rather than the rule, in maintaining that kind of diet even after reaching adulthood. Lots of people are likely to indulge to the point of obesity, because they never were allowed tasty food as children, and never learned self-control.

7 posted on 05/09/2014 6:41:22 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: ansel12

I was a military brat and when my family moved to Germany back in the early 60s, I got a battery of shots (13 IIRC). Later, when I joined the Navy, got another batch of shots in boot camp and yet many, many more when it was decided that VM would be my first assignment. To this day most germs are more afraid of me than I am of them. LOL!

I did, however, suffer from the mumps and measles when I was a small child (late 40s to early 50s).


8 posted on 05/09/2014 6:43:59 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: CorporateStepsister
Fully agree; I bet you anything that if a genuine epidemic of polio (likely since it has hit Europe, the Middle East, and Africa) hit the US, these very idealists would be screaming about how the government didn’t do enough to protect their vaccine free spud.

I'm not so sure. Part of their vaccine-free lifestyle involves a serious disregard for the health and well-being of others. Polio does not make everyone seriously ill--only about 1 in 200. Unless their kid is that one in 200 who actually becomes disabled from polio, they won't care. We've already seen this where whooping cough outbreaks have occurred in strongly anti-vax areas--these people don't even care about protecting their own children, much less other people's children.

9 posted on 05/09/2014 6:46:48 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: MD Expat in PA

Great article, thanks for posting.


10 posted on 05/09/2014 6:47:03 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: doc1019

My little brother had polio, but it wasn’t serious, maybe it was lessened because of the vaccine, but I don’t remember the timeline.


11 posted on 05/09/2014 6:50:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: varyouga

Ditto. And, amen.


13 posted on 05/09/2014 6:51:24 PM PDT by muglywump (Seven days without laughter makes one weak.)
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To: MD Expat in PA

Vaccines in the military are a requirement, not an option.

I have had the relatively safe vaccines such as flu shots all the way up to small pox and anthrax.

No issues. Same for every other soldier I served with.


14 posted on 05/09/2014 6:52:55 PM PDT by And2TheRepublic (People like freedom of speech, but only when it's sweet to their ears.)
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To: ansel12
and I have turned down a free tetanus shot, it always seemed like the more immunization, the better.

Naturally I meant to say that I have NEVER TURNED DOWN a free tetanus shot.

15 posted on 05/09/2014 6:53:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: exDemMom

I still resent my mother’s home made granola. Having to eat that stuff when I was a hungry 10 year old messed with my mind. Made me want to kill plants as if revenge would improve the taste.


16 posted on 05/09/2014 6:56:21 PM PDT by Justa
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To: CorporateStepsister

Some of us are friends with people who got polio from the vaccination.


17 posted on 05/09/2014 6:56:49 PM PDT by porter_knorr
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To: MD Expat in PA
Can't place my finger on it..and can't prove it either.

But I smell a wiff of Bovine Scat.

18 posted on 05/09/2014 7:01:21 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: And2TheRepublic

Same here. I was active duty Navy 85-89 and drilling reservist for another 7 years. Got LOTS of shots. I’m doing okay.


19 posted on 05/09/2014 7:01:21 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: porter_knorr

“Some of us are friends with people who got polio from the vaccination.”

Where did this happen? I’ve never heard of such a thing.

The polio vaccination was a miracle as far as I’m concerned-—I remember the epidemics.

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20 posted on 05/09/2014 7:01:32 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Mears

It happened, there was a bad batch of vaccine that infected a couple of hundred people.

“”After mass inoculations began in 1954, everyone marveled at the high success rate—some 60-70 percent—until the vaccine caused a sudden outbreak of some 200 cases. After it was determined that the cases were all caused by one faulty batch of the vaccine, production standards were improved, and by August 1955 some 4 million shots had been given. Cases of polio in the U.S. dropped from 14,647 in 1955 to 5,894 in 1956, and by 1959 some 90 other countries were using Salk’s vaccine.

A later version of the polio vaccine, developed by Albert Sabin, used a weakened form of the live virus and was swallowed instead of injected. It was licensed in 1962 and soon became more popular than Salk’s vaccine, as it was cheaper to make and easier for people to take. There is still no cure for polio once it has been contracted, but the use of vaccines has virtually eliminated polio in the United States.””


21 posted on 05/09/2014 7:08:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Mears

This is one of the reasons they discontinued the use of the live vaccine in the US. I personally know 2 people who contracted polio within a week or so of having had the live vaccine in the late 50’s. One of them spent time in an iron lung. This was a known side effect of the live vaccine.

The live vaccine is still used in the 3rd world. The feces of the vaccinated person can still transmit polio virus for several weeks after they’ve been vaccinated. It was a problem in the 3rd world with ‘sanitation problems’ when they first started vaxing for that. Mom would change the baby’s diaper/tend the baby’s feces and contract polio. Also the fact that open sewers ran down the middle of most of the streets helped spread it as well.

The live vaccine also spread another virus (a contaminent in the green monkey kidneys used to culture the vaccine) called SV40 which has been linked to soft tissue cancer and also appears to be spread by sexual contact. Ie, they’ve found it in children of those who were vaccinated with batches known to be contaminated who have themselves never received a live vaccine.


22 posted on 05/09/2014 7:08:25 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: MD Expat in PA

Because the life style wasn’t any more healthy than any other, maybe less so even, but was superstitious.

And because you weren’t vaccinated against diseases, so you caught them later.

Stupid hippies.


23 posted on 05/09/2014 7:11:11 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: varyouga

Nothing personal, but your comment is pure ignorance.


24 posted on 05/09/2014 7:12:12 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Justa

Indeed.

My mother used to make a vile concoction called “Tiger’s Milk.” A major ingredient was brewer’s yeast.

An ingredient of the broth used to grow bacteria in the lab is autolyzed yeast. Every time I mix up media for bacteria, the stench of that yeast brings me right back to my childhood.


25 posted on 05/09/2014 7:13:36 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: foundedonpurpose

I think you need to check on your sanity or demonic possession status, whichever way you like to look at it.

Or just admit you are a lefty.


26 posted on 05/09/2014 7:15:25 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Black Agnes; ansel12

““”After mass inoculations began in 1954, everyone marveled at the high success rate—some 60-70 percent—until the vaccine caused a sudden outbreak of some 200 cases. After it was determined that the cases were all caused by one faulty batch of the vaccine, production standards were improved, and by August 1955 some 4 million shots had been given. Cases of polio in the U.S. dropped from 14,647 in 1955 to 5,894 in 1956, and by 1959 some 90 other countries were using Salk’s vaccine.”

I was unaware of a bad batch-—thanks for the info.

I was teaching 1st grade in 1954-55 and the kids received the vaccine during that school year. It was a great thing for all of us.

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27 posted on 05/09/2014 7:17:36 PM PDT by Mears
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To: MD Expat in PA

quinsy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peritonsillar_abscess

Peritonsillar abscess (PTA), also known as a quinsy or quinsey, is a recognized complication of tonsillitis and consists of a collection of pus beside the tonsil in what is referred to as peritonsilar space (peri—meaning surrounding). It is a commonly encountered otorhinolaryngological (ENT) emergency.


28 posted on 05/09/2014 7:19:09 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Mears

It was a miracle.

Vaccinations that were developed in the 20th century are the height of human achievement. The height of conservative rational achievement.

The suffering and deaths of millions upon millions were avoided.

I often think one of the reasons we are so messed up now as a society is because of our triumphs, life became so easy.


29 posted on 05/09/2014 7:19:15 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: foundedonpurpose

What a great, fact filled post...


30 posted on 05/09/2014 7:21:43 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: AnAmericanMother

I had to deal with a ‘SIDS’ death in the Army. It occurred on the night of the 6-month (MMR) vaccination. I asked the attending hospital nurse if she though the vaccine had anything to do with the child’s death. Her response: “we’re not supposed to talk about that”. Dead and damaged babies are the cost of the Faustian Deal the medical community has made since the late 1800s to stop commonplace outbreaks of cholera, rubella, etc. which were spread in open air markets and in poor sanitation. With under developed immune systems the babies were the vectors so they were the targets for immunization. I don’t see people throwing garbage and sewage in public, open-air food markets yet I do see children dying and damaged from vaccines used to combat the ghosts of 19th century sanitation.


31 posted on 05/09/2014 7:23:54 PM PDT by Justa
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To: varyouga

or wait until they are older and spread them out. and also use fresher vaccines without questionable unnecessary preservatives. use vaccines that don’t have squalene and thimerosal and the rest of the crap that isnt vaccine.

and realize you can still have problems from the vaccine or the extras in it.


32 posted on 05/09/2014 7:25:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ifinnegan

“Vaccinations that were developed in the 20th century are the height of human achievement.”

Yep. I had measles,mumps,whooping cough,and chicken pox.My brother got all of those plus scarlet fever and that forced us to be quarantined for 3 weeks.

Polio was the terror every summer.

Tough times.

.


33 posted on 05/09/2014 7:25:27 PM PDT by Mears
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To: And2TheRepublic

“I have had the relatively safe vaccines such as flu shots all the way up to small pox and anthrax. No issues. Same for every other soldier I served with.”

Same here. Had all the shots I needed as a kid, and the Army took care of the rest. I never have had mumps, but had measles and chicken pox in a row when I was about 8 or so.


34 posted on 05/09/2014 7:25:39 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: MD Expat in PA
"As healthy as my lifestyle seemed, I contracted measles, mumps, rubella, a type of viral meningitis, scarlatina, whooping cough, yearly tonsillitis, and chickenpox, some of which are vaccine preventable."

Schools and no vaccinations. Pretty risky.

"In my twenties I got precancerous HPV and spent 6 months of my life wondering how I was going to tell my two children under the age of 7 that mummy might have cancer before it was safely removed."

From another high-risk behavior.


35 posted on 05/09/2014 7:26:18 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: MD Expat in PA

36 posted on 05/09/2014 7:26:55 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be")
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To: ifinnegan

I forgot to mention in my previous post that my father had died from tuberculosis a few years earlier.

My poor Mom.

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37 posted on 05/09/2014 7:31:46 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Mears

It wasn’t just a bad batch. It is/was a known side effect of the live virus vaccine. Still. It’s one of the reasons the live virus vaccine was discontinued in this country. The killed virus vaccine isn’t as effective though so the live one is still used in hot spots like Asia.

Live vaccines always have a risk of contracting the disease itself. One of my former coworkers contracted chickenpox from his infant/toddler daughter when she got her varicella vaccine. When he visited his internist it was one of the first questions the doc asked him. Was he around any young children who may have been recently vaccinated or anyone who had a case of the shingles. His kid had been vaxed about a week or 10 days previously. Coworker had had chickenpox as a kid, too.


38 posted on 05/09/2014 7:32:32 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Mears

http://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/news/19991208/health-officials-call-for-virtual-elimination-of-live-polio-vaccine


39 posted on 05/09/2014 7:33:40 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: All

its strange that her parents would try something different than the typical main stream medicine, pharmaceutical and food industries, considering how rare disease is among those who live like most of the country does.


40 posted on 05/09/2014 7:44:28 PM PDT by willywill
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To: Black Agnes

Thanks for a most informative link.

I find the last paragraph sad since polio is occurring again.

“According to the CDC, there were 5 confirmed cases of vaccine-associated polio in 1997 and 1 case in 1998. “There is hope that within the next decade we can eliminate polio vaccines altogether as the disease nears eradication,” says Marcuse.”

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41 posted on 05/09/2014 7:47:44 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Mears

My friend who got polio from the vaccine in the late 50’s had the vaccine just prior to Christmas break. His parents got to spend Christmas day with him in an iron lung. His doctor was perplexed though as he’d had the vaccine and it wasn’t polio season (usually the summer) so he called the CDC. CDC official drove there, examined him and pronounced his paralysis as a ‘side effect’ of the vaccine. And cautioned the MD that it couldn’t possibly BE polio since he’d received the vaccine. There was a great deal of denial about this particular side effect early on. As a result, my friend has never trusted any vaccines at all. I’m not entirely sure I blame him. He may be a poor candidate for live culture vaccines in general.


42 posted on 05/09/2014 7:53:58 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: MD Expat in PA; All; Jim Robinson

http://vaccineriskawareness.com/

Here’s one site, there are many out there... please do your homework!

To much propaganda!!!!


43 posted on 05/09/2014 7:56:13 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose
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To: Justa
Kids sometimes get a high temp from the 2nd MMR. My first did. We were alerted to that possibility by the pediatrician and were ready with baby Tylenol and sponge baths. An uncomfortable night but no danger so long as we could keep the temp down.

If someone let it run untreated I could see complications . . . but SIDS is another issue altogether. There's still no satisfactory explanation.

The nurse may have been told not to connect the two because there was no connection, not because there was a conspiracy.

But anti-vaccine agitators have their minds made up, they are convinced that pediatricians and drug companies are conspiring to kill their clients.

44 posted on 05/09/2014 7:57:37 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia! OF the B)
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To: MD Expat in PA

My niece was breastfed until she was SIX by a Leftist, Liberal, Feminazi whackjob. It wasn’t the child who was getting fed.


45 posted on 05/09/2014 8:00:59 PM PDT by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
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To: And2TheRepublic

I turned down flu shots before my first tour and had to explain why to the CO of the battalion why I wouldn’t take them. We get overseas, and lo and behold, my whole section is laid up except me. It sucked being the only healthy guy to do any work.

There are two sides to every story, and when the government tells me I must do something, I tend to head the opposite way.. I’m an extremely lousy follower.


46 posted on 05/09/2014 8:02:58 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Mears

if you look at the polio data, it was naturally dying off, then when vaccinations came out, there was a jump in cases.


47 posted on 05/09/2014 8:04:06 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: ifinnegan

their comment is not pure ignorance, like I said earlier there are two sides to it all.


48 posted on 05/09/2014 8:05:41 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Peritonsillar abscess (PTA), also known as a quinsy or quinsey, is a recognized complication of tonsillitis and consists of a collection of pus beside the tonsil in what is referred to as peritonsilar space (peri—meaning surrounding). It is a commonly encountered otorhinolaryngological (ENT) emergency.

I suffered from severe tonsillitis for many years as a child and a teenager in the 70’s when there was a shift by many doctors (GP’s) at the time, from removing infected tonsils to just treating the infection with antibiotics and treating the symptoms with drugs like Codeine. But I was constantly sick, my immune system was so compromised that I caught just about every bug that came around.

The worst was in 1978 when I had several colds, one after another, and then severe strep infections one after another, and then caught the Russian Flu that laid me in bed for over a week and was so sick that for a time I was actually hoping for death, followed by the so called “walking pneumonia” meaning one day I was walking, the next I was bedridden the next I was back up walking, the next bedridden again – my mother had it too and for her it developed into pleurisy and bacterial pneumonia. My throat was so constantly sore and my tonsils so inflamed that I couldn’t and didn’t want to eat and I lost a lot of weight, becoming painfully and unhealthily thin, yet our family GP kept telling my parents that tonsillectomies were out of “fashion” and not necessary. FWIW, this GP was also not in favor of vaccinations.

While there is no vaccination for tonsillitis, our GP failed to recognize how very serious my condition was becoming.

The week was graduating from HS, I caught yet another “cold” and tonsillitis so bad that not only could I not swallow nor I could I eat but this time I could barely breathe and I had a very high fever that jut wouldn’t go away. I barely made it to my graduation and went straight to bed afterwards.

My parents finally took me to an ENT and when he examined me, the first words out of his mouth were “Oh my God!” My tonsils were so badly infected and evidently so chronically infected over such a long period of time, he told my parents that he was amazed that I hadn’t gone “septic” (I might have had quinsy, I don’t remember) all I know was he told my parents that getting them out was an emergency surgery situation and that I could actually die if this remained untreated, i.e. had my infected tonsils removed. I was admitted to the hospital the very next morning and I had them taken out two days later and it was the best thing that ever happened. A week of recovery, but then afterward, I slowly regained my strength and my immune system and I stopped getting sick all the time.

49 posted on 05/09/2014 8:05:41 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: Bulwyf

I’ve learned quite a bit tonight about bad polio vaccines.

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50 posted on 05/09/2014 8:05:58 PM PDT by Mears
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