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Keidel: Pro Football Meets Johnny Football
losangeles.cbslocal.com ^ | May 9, 2014 10:05 AM | Jason Keidel

Posted on 05/09/2014 7:45:52 PM PDT by BenLurkin

But what happens after the fall? When, to paraphrase John Facenda, the game becomes a duel in the rain and cold November mud? When the wind whips in from Lake Erie, and the monstrous arms of Big Ben and Joe Flacco fling the ball through the ornery winter snow? While Johnny Manziel falls face-first into the muck, crunched by Geno Atkins or Brett Keisel?

Brian Hoyer is getting the cosmetic decency of the starting job in May. But anyone with a pulse knows you draft Johnny Manziel to start Johnny Manziel. He’s too famous, too fabulous, to squat on the pine. Especially in Cleveland, a town that lost its soul when LeBron James took his talents to South Beach, and hasn’t won an NFL title since 1964.

That’s not to say he can’t play or play well. No player has ever burst into the NFL with more moxie and celebrity than Manziel, who also enters the league with the best handle in history: Johnny Football.

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Many of us wanted to see Manziel plucked by the Dallas Cowboys, the sport’s most famous and dysfunctional team and the draft’s most compelling figure. Jerry Jones, who adores the spotlight, actually drafted by need. Go figure.

Cleveland has needs, too. They need a lot more than Johnny Manziel. Do they even need Johnny Manziel? Can a team build from the ground-up with a player people expect to walk on water?

Johnny Football is a long way from Texas. But for the first time in a long time, the Browns matter. They’ve already sold 1,200 season tickets since last night. They’re all there to see Johnny Manziel win. Will they stick around if he loses?

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1 posted on 05/09/2014 7:45:52 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

With the history the Browns have with QBs, I hope he rents a short lease apartment.


2 posted on 05/09/2014 7:49:52 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: doc1019

Whatever happened to that homosexual boy who was in the draft? There was much ado being made of it in the sports press. Apparently he was primed to make quite the fashion statement. Did anybody pick him?


3 posted on 05/09/2014 7:54:18 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

Tries to watch sports center and it was all Manziel, seriously they seemed insane. Dallas dissed him? He is the Browns savior? Why talk about this guy and not all of those better players picked up before him?

Reminds me of the old golf coverage being Tiger Woods, even when he was last place or all NASCAR coverage being about Danica Patrick, who I doubt has even come close to winning a single race.

It is extremely annoying that they choose one person to hype that way, and it makes me hope Manziel turns out to be a major dud


4 posted on 05/09/2014 8:00:03 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: doc1019

5 posted on 05/09/2014 8:01:11 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: GeronL

Ryan Leaf is hoping for the same outcome!


6 posted on 05/09/2014 8:04:12 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: BenLurkin
No player has ever burst into the NFL with more moxie and celebrity than Manziel,

Funny that two other players from A&M were drafted ahead of him.

7 posted on 05/09/2014 8:07:23 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: SamAdams76
Whatever happened to that homosexual boy who was in the draft?

They are still working on the third round with four to go. Homo boy will get picked near last, if at all.

8 posted on 05/09/2014 8:09:46 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: GeronL
If Manziel turns out to be a NFL dud, he can practice and join the PGA tour.

Several weeks ago Johnny Football shot a 79 at Pebble Beach!

9 posted on 05/09/2014 8:11:48 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: BenLurkin

I live in the area and can relate. If the Browns would allow a QB to stay long enough to help build a culture, I think they would have a chance. However, if a coach or QB doesn’t win a super bowel in one or two seasons ... they are gone.

The only crap coach they hung onto, even though he was a loser as head coach, was Romeo Crennel and only because he was black. Didn’t want to give the locals an excuse to bitch, moan and complain.

It is almost like the owners really don’t want a winning team.


10 posted on 05/09/2014 8:12:10 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Moonman62
They are still working on the third round with four to go. Homo boy will get picked near last, if at all.

LOL! "Homo boy"! That last line drew a chuckle out of me!

11 posted on 05/09/2014 8:28:42 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: BenLurkin
Manziel, who also enters the league with the best handle in history: Johnny Football.

It remains to be written if he can leave the league with an enduring handle like "Broadway Joe"

12 posted on 05/09/2014 8:32:28 PM PDT by logitech (It is time.)
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To: GeronL

Agree with you about sports center, but just because someone is picked earlier doesn’t mean he is better than someone picked later. Russell Wilson was third round, Kaepernick was second, and Brady wasn’t even drafted (as I recall). They are clearly better than all or almost all who were drafted ahead of them. Who gets picked when depends in large part on what a team needs. Sometimes choices are simply bizarre, like SF’s choice in the first round. Bortles went no. three, but other than height and weight his stats from playing in a weak conference were nowhere as good as Manziel’s. The Jag’s probably thought that Bortles would help sell teickets as a “hometown” boy, and it may workout that way, but there is no evidence that he will perform as well as Manziel. I think Manziel may be the best athlete in the draft, but I don’t mean that he is necessarily the best football player. If you’ve watched him you’ll see a leader, a competitor, a great arm, speed, and an almost supernatural sense of what will happen next on the field and how to get out of jams. He is exciting. Whether he succeeds depends a lot on the Browns’ system, the quality of the coaches, whether he has anyone good to throw to, whether the line can protect him, etc. Manziel is a lot like Wilson, but with better athleticism. He may do better than people expect if the Browns are at all a good fit. I also think Bortles and Carr will be pretty good. A.J. McCarron could also be a surprise.


13 posted on 05/09/2014 8:34:08 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: doc1019

For a long time I suspected that the Tribe was run so badly because the string of various owners were using it as a tax write-off.


14 posted on 05/09/2014 8:34:20 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: achilles2000

I fear (and am speaking as someone who has rooted for the Browns for half a century) that before Manziel’s first season is over he will have SREELETS or SNEVAR permanently stenciled on this chest.

Or maybe both.


15 posted on 05/09/2014 8:37:54 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

No, no ... like the Cubs, I think the tribe stadium is built on old Indian burial ground, that’s why they can’t win. LOL


16 posted on 05/09/2014 8:39:10 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: BenLurkin

The offensive line is that bad?


17 posted on 05/09/2014 8:46:23 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: BenLurkin

Was not like Delhomme was a lousy QB when he had a decent team. Seem to recall he was a few plays from winning a Superbowl if the clock had not run out.


18 posted on 05/09/2014 8:58:02 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: achilles2000

He’s not a pocket QB.

I’m afraid that Johnny is going to take a huge hit some day if he zigs when he should have zagged.

It’s the NFL. Every player is big, fast, and football savvy. Especially in the AFC North.


19 posted on 05/09/2014 8:59:08 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
Yes, and of late he should probably be worried about a SLAGNEB stencil as well.

The answer to whether he can take a hit will probably be answered faster in his new division than any other...

20 posted on 05/09/2014 9:03:41 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: doorgunner69

The Browns need to find a coach and stick with him, find a QB and stick with him, find an offense system and stick with it, and stay innovative on defense.


21 posted on 05/09/2014 9:04:32 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: FredZarguna

Pfft! Nobody is worried about the Bengals.

The only threat the Cincinnati poses to the Browns — is when the Bengals steal Cleveland’s place at the bottom of the division.


22 posted on 05/09/2014 9:06:35 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

The keys to Manziel’s success will be his leadership abilities and how his teammates respond to him....If he has good leadership capabilities he will be successful.


23 posted on 05/09/2014 9:09:05 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: lonestar
Several weeks ago Johnny Football shot a 79 at Pebble Beach!

yep--my nephew works there :)

24 posted on 05/09/2014 9:10:39 PM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: BenLurkin

[I say this as someone whose father took him to see his first Steeler game up on “The Hill” in 1961.] You should check your assumptions: Cincy’s defense in 2013 was better than both the Ravens’ and the Steelers’.


25 posted on 05/09/2014 9:15:23 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: Moonman62

And one of them, Moke Evans, said Johnny should have gone first.


26 posted on 05/09/2014 9:26:35 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: BenLurkin

Manziel needs tall receivers like he had at A&M. Cleveland did the right thing by passing over Lee in the 2nd round.


27 posted on 05/09/2014 9:40:26 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Moonman62
Funny that two other players from A&M were drafted ahead of him.

Evans made Manziel that much better.

28 posted on 05/09/2014 9:46:35 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Moonman62
Could be that "Johnny Football" (I still have a hard time using that moniker in reference to anybody but Unitas) got a soul-shattering wake-up call when the No. 1 pick in this year's draft beat his time in the 40 at the NFL Combine by nearly .2 seconds. Here he was, the Heisman-winning Johnny Football, as fleet of foot as any QB in the SEC, utterly smoked in the 40 by a defensive lineman, although a pretty good one.

Now, Johnny has probably tied quite a few on since that slap in the face, and he may have forgotten about it by now.

But that memory will come flooding back about 45 seconds after he steps onto the field for the first time.
29 posted on 05/09/2014 9:54:24 PM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: achilles2000

Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round. Pick number 199.


30 posted on 05/09/2014 9:56:38 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: BenLurkin

Couple of years ago I saw one of the best signs ever in the stands while watching a Browns game .............

Cleveland
Rebuilding since 1964


31 posted on 05/09/2014 10:07:11 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: BenLurkin

Johnny is going to be shifted to WR and will take over for Josh “Drug Test”Gordon. That is why they passed on Sammy Watkins


32 posted on 05/09/2014 10:29:28 PM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: GeronL

Some would put the struggling Lolo Jones in that category as well style over substance.
“Look at her! As pretty as she is, she deserves at least one gold medal, or maybe her own talk show.”


33 posted on 05/09/2014 11:25:07 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: BenLurkin

Cleveland: The Elephant Bone Yard of QBs


34 posted on 05/10/2014 12:23:14 AM PDT by twister881
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To: BenLurkin

If Manziel can avoid the big hit, he’ll probably do okay. If Cleveland doesn’t already have a running game, I don’t see Manziel’s presence on the field opening ruing lanes. If there’s no running game, defenders will shut him down.


35 posted on 05/10/2014 3:36:01 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Rockpile

Thanks! Nevertheless, I don’t think anyone would say that those drafted ahead of him were all more talented players ;-)


36 posted on 05/10/2014 6:06:07 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: GeronL

You were almost right, Danica has only won a single race.

On the other hand, she has been top 10 for the season multiple times and has taken top 5 in a ton of races. I think most of us would be very satisfied with being one of the 10 best in our profession.


37 posted on 05/10/2014 6:06:32 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: BenLurkin

You are right, but that’s true for any QB. Manziel will probably modify what his freewheeling style in the NFL, especially if the Browns have a defense, which A&M lacked entirely (How do you score 42 points on Alabama and lose? It’s easy with the A&M defense.). Still, he has better vision, reactions, and anticipation than anyone I’ve ever seen. He’ll probably get away with more than the typical QB, and it will be interesting to watch.


38 posted on 05/10/2014 6:13:23 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: doc1019

Amen to that. Cleveland and Oakland are the black hole for QB’s.


39 posted on 05/10/2014 8:11:55 AM PDT by alarm rider (Basically, we are toast.)
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To: doc1019

Crennel is a good assistant coach, he is terrible as a head coach.

I will say this about Manziel. He is one of the best thinking quarterbacks to come out of college in a long time. If he stays healthy, he will be in the hall of fame someday.


40 posted on 05/10/2014 8:30:34 AM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: achilles2000

More importantly, Manziel is a leader, which is the most important trait for a quarterback...He looks like the kind of guy that won’t tolerate receivers not running their routes properly. I think the entire team will take on his personality.


41 posted on 05/10/2014 8:34:07 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: GeronL
Why talk about this guy and not all of those better players picked up before him?

To build him up before they tear him down.......they love doing that.

Tebow would likely be playing today had it not been for all the media attention that turned him into a distraction for any team thinking of signing him......

42 posted on 05/10/2014 8:39:42 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Under Reagan spring always arrived on time.....)
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To: dfwgator

I agree. Whether the Browns are a good fit, who knows. I think young QBs are much more susceptible to being ruined by being drafted by the “wrong” team than players at other positions.


43 posted on 05/10/2014 9:48:54 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: SamAdams76

The sports press is still giving him undeserved publicity.


44 posted on 05/10/2014 9:50:08 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: CharlesWayneCT

True, but there are guys doing better who we’re getting zero attention during the Danica-craze


45 posted on 05/10/2014 11:28:55 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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