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Homosexuals were persecuted in Nazi Germany - by other homosexuals
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Posted on 05/13/2014 8:14:47 PM PDT by ReformationFan

Winger-left blowhard Ed Schultz got a mention on Drudge today, for sending out a Tweet that said, "Gay people were really the ones being persecuted in Hitler's Germany."

While 10,000-15,000 homosexuals were likely to have died at Hitler's hands (which is 10,000-15,000 too many), Schultz blithely and blindly ignores the plain historical fact that that number pales in comparison to the six million Jews who were gassed or shot by Hitler's goons.

What Schultz overlooks, perhaps out of sheer historical ignorance, is that the persecution of homosexuals in Hitler's Germany was carried out by other homosexuals.

Hitler was seeking to revive the Greek ideal of the hyper-masculine homosexual warrior, and thus gathered around him homosexuals like himself to serve with him in his sinister designs for the world.

The man who served as the director of the Institute of Sexology in 1930 wrote that "not ten percent of the men who, in 1933, took the fate of Germany into their hands, were sexually normal." Noted historian William Shirer, in his monumental work, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, observed of the "brown-shirted S.A." that "many of its top leaders, beginning with its chief, Roehm, were notorious homosexual perverts."

Adds historian H.R. Knickerbocker, "(Ernst) Roehm, as the head of 2,500,000 Storm Troops, had surrounded himself with a staff of perverts. His chiefs, men of rank of Gruppenfuhrer or Obergruppenfuhrer, commanding units of several hundred thousand Storm Troopers, were almost without exception homosexuals. Indeed, unless a Storm Troop officer were homosexual he had no chance of advancement."

So if Hitler's officers and enforcers were hyper-masculine homosexuals, who were the homosexuals they persecuted? The objects of Nazi wrath were soft, effeminate homosexuals whom the Spartan S.A. despised.

Prior to Hitler's assumption of power, homosexuality, known as "the German vice" was a crime. Those who were apprehended were sent for evaluation to the Institute of Sexology. Thus many of Hitler's officers had patient records in this institution which he could not allow to see the light of day.

Thus, In 1930, Hitler burned the Institute of Sexology to the ground to obliterate evidence of Nazi sexual proclivities.

According to Ludwig L. Lenz, the assistant director of the Institute of Sexology at the time, said, "We had a great many Nazis under treatment at the Institute. Why was it then, since we were completely non-party, that our purely scientific Institute was the first victim which fell to the new regime? The answer to this is simple...We knew too much...Our knowledge of such intimate secrets regarding members of the Nazi Party and other documentary material – we possessed about forty thousand confessions and biographical letters – was the cause of the complete and utter destruction of the Institute of Sexology."

Homosexual advocates often cite the "Night of the Long Knives," in which Roehm and other S.A. officers were assassinated, as evidence of Hitler's antipathy toward homosexuals.

However, noted German historian Lothar Mochtan, in his book The Hidden Hitler, written in 2001, argues that Hitler had Roehm killed for another reason: Roehm was about to out Hitler to the German public, to expose Hitler's own twisted sexual orientation, in a bid to remove Hitler from power and take the reins of Germany into his own hands. Roehm, in other words, was killed to protect Hitler's power and his sexual secrets.

One historian put it this way, "Ernst Roehm wasn't shot because the Nazi Party felt outraged by the abrupt discovery that he was 'having' his storm troopers – that had been known for ages; but because his sway over the SA had become a menace to Hitler."

So when Ed Schultz says that homosexuals were persecuted by Hitler, he is half right. The other half is that that persecution was carried out by other homosexuals. That half of the story is at least as important as Schultz's half, but it's the half that Ed Schultz and other members of the Gay Gestapo hope you never hear about. Well, now you have.


TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: adolfhitler; bryanfischer; edschultz; fischer; germany; homosexualagenda; nazigermany; roehm
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1 posted on 05/13/2014 8:14:47 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Did you really expect Ed Schulz to know anything accurately about history?

Schulz is to history as Obama is to baseball - limp wristed wuss.


2 posted on 05/13/2014 8:26:20 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: ReformationFan

This is such a crock. There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that Hitler was a homosexual. None. But historians just love to try to make him into one, that or saying he was actually Jewish. No proof whatsoever of either innuendo. Go after him on what he did, not on what he didn’t do, which was to ever have ANY known homosexual relationship.

If you read the biographies of Hitler from his youth on, he lusted after one girl in his hometown whom he idolized as a teen, and many women during his life were attracted to him. He surrounded himself with and confided in women within his inner circle. He was quite old fashioned and formal with and very considerate of these women, in fact all women.

When it was the dinner hour at his home with his inner circle of men and women, Hitler would escort a different woman into the dining room each night, and seat her next to him, with Eva Braun on the other side. He had two main female relationships, one who committed suicide, which freaked Hitler out bigtime, and then he spent his later years with Eva Braun, who was his mistress and whom he married right before they offed themselves in the Berlin bunker. I defy anyone to offer proof that Hitler was actually homosexual.


3 posted on 05/13/2014 8:36:12 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: flaglady47

“The Hidden Hitler, written in 2001, argues that Hitler had Roehm killed for another reason: Roehm was about to out Hitler to the German public, to expose Hitler’s own twisted sexual orientation, in a bid to remove Hitler from power and take the reins of Germany into his own hands. Roehm, in other words, was killed to protect Hitler’s power and his sexual secrets.”

P.S., this is another gigantic assumption that you could drive a truck through, and another crock.


4 posted on 05/13/2014 8:38:21 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: flaglady47

Does The Producers count?

5 posted on 05/13/2014 8:38:21 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: flaglady47

Two reasons Hitler killed Rohm.

The industrialists, whom Hitler needed to build the war machine, did not like Rohm and the SA, because they called for complete nationalization of all German industry and the liquidation of the industrialists.

The Wehrmacht would not support Hitler, because Rohm wanted to replace them with the SA.

Hitler could never gain power without the support of those two main constituents.

It was strictly business.


6 posted on 05/13/2014 8:40:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

“Does The Producers count?”

LOL. You make my case. How people want to portray Hitler as versus who he really was. One could make a case that Hitler was bipolar, better known as manic depressive back then. Especially if you read about his behavior as a teen, and it carried through his whole life. Read the book “The Young Hitler” and then read up on bipolar and see what I mean.


7 posted on 05/13/2014 8:43:19 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: dfwgator

“It was strictly business.”

Bingo. Roehm was basically a true Communist rather than a fascist. He had to go.


8 posted on 05/13/2014 8:45:40 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: flaglady47

And Roehm was a homosexual. He disgusted a lot of people, but was too powerful to attack for his perversity.


9 posted on 05/13/2014 8:48:41 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: tumblindice

“And Roehm was a homosexual. He disgusted a lot of people, but was too powerful to attack for his perversity.”

Not too big to avoid being offed by Hitler. There was someone more powerful than Roehm who cut him down to size, six feet under to be exact.


10 posted on 05/13/2014 8:54:28 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: ReformationFan
Roehm was about to out Hitler to the German public, to expose Hitler's own twisted sexual orientation, in a bid to remove Hitler from power and take the reins of Germany into his own hands.

Hitler had already been 'outed' in 1931, through his relationship with his niece, Geli Raubal. She committed suicide, but the resulting scandal certainly did not help Hitler in the 1932 German presidential election, which he lost. As flaglady has correctly noted, no serious historian has ever presented a scrap of evidence that Hitler was a homosexual. He was a lot of evil things -- but not, evidently, that.

11 posted on 05/13/2014 8:59:06 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: ReformationFan; flaglady47
What a bunch of BS. Hitler is on record as having made a number of comments that he was indifferent to homosexuality, and his entire sexual history is heterosexual.

He was also largely indifferent to economics. The homosexual SA leader, Ernst Röhm, on the other hand, took the "Socialist" in NSDAP seriously, and Hitler perceived him as a threat because the SA answered to Röhm more directly than Hitler, and the "true believers" like Röhm were more interested in the Party platform than the cult of personality.

To make things worse for the NSDAP Leftists, the Wehrmacht and other elements of the center-right political powers in Germany did not like the SA.

That's why the SS was nurtured, and why Röhm was killed. Period.

Hitler was an evil monster, but the rumors that he was a homosexual, a pervert, or a coward simply have no basis in fact.

12 posted on 05/13/2014 9:02:59 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: FredZarguna

In fact the SA recruited many former Bolshevik street fighters into their ranks.


13 posted on 05/13/2014 9:05:07 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

The copious murders committed in the streets of Berlin in the year before Hitler came to power were strictly between leftists who were nationalists, and leftists who believed in the Internationale and took orders from Moscow. Hitler did not mind burning them up, and had no real use for their ideology. He was a pure opportunist.


14 posted on 05/13/2014 9:13:12 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: ReformationFan

I have read this before... but have seen very little about it

I think it makes sense

Why is it not more widely known or accepted?

Does anyone refute it?


15 posted on 05/13/2014 9:13:13 PM PDT by woofie
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To: FredZarguna

They were useful idiots.


16 posted on 05/13/2014 9:13:34 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

As ever.


17 posted on 05/13/2014 9:14:38 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: flaglady47

You do know that most historians believe that Hitler never had sexual relations with Eva Braun, don’t you? I doubt Hitler was exclusively homosexual, but the fact that every girlfriend (beard?) he had committed suicide has led many historians to suspect Hitler had some bizarre fetishes or sexual deviances.


18 posted on 05/13/2014 9:19:27 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

I think more than anything Hitler was married to his work.


19 posted on 05/13/2014 9:20:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: flaglady47

Ive read from other sources that Hitler was probably impotent.....
But who knows if he was homosexual?

I think the real point is that there were a lot of hyper masculine gays in the SS and throughout the Nazi administration.

Its pretty clear that a lot of sick people were in there ....brutality and sadism were certainly rampant and I don’t think that comes from a healthy sex life


20 posted on 05/13/2014 9:21:37 PM PDT by woofie
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To: ReformationFan

Look at the primary evidence and make up your own mind:

US Army documents record Hitler’s sexuality as ‘Homosex’: http://www.policymic.com/articles/41125/was-adolf-hitler-gay-maybe-says-new-evidence-but-does-it-matter

Testimony from a fellow WWI soldier: http://www.expatica.com/de/leisure/arts_culture/was-hitler-homosexual-1367.html

Hitler was a male prostitute:
http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/great-gay-bullies-of-the-past-adolf-hitler/


21 posted on 05/13/2014 9:21:48 PM PDT by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: Darteaus94025

No citations here either, but have it on good authority that Hitler was a burlesque drag queen in decadent ‘20s Berlin. He was a fan dancer and stripper, eine klein hootchie und cootchie.


22 posted on 05/13/2014 9:34:38 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: tumblindice

Those underlined sentances are links. Have someone familiar with computers show you how to follow the to additional information.

Welcome to the Internet, and happy computing!


23 posted on 05/13/2014 9:53:24 PM PDT by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: ReformationFan

Isn’t homosexuality a form of self disarmament and voluntarizing people to be segregatively molested willingly all the way to concentration camps?


24 posted on 05/13/2014 10:39:55 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: flaglady47

No. But he sure made funny paintings and was into liberal arts.


25 posted on 05/13/2014 10:41:00 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: woofie; ReformationFan
15 I have read this before... but have seen very little about it. I think it makes sense. Why is it not more widely known or accepted? Does anyone refute it?

Can't believe the regular Freepers who follow this thread haven't posted this info yet. Yes, the whole sordid history of homosexuality in Nazi Germany, including Hitler's sexuality, has been covered. Most of us reference Pastor Scott Lively's and Kevin Abrams' 1995 book, The Pink Swastika

5th Edition - in progress

4th edition, on-line

The Pink Swastika as Holocaust Revisionist History

26 posted on 05/13/2014 10:51:44 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

No one knows what Hitler’s love life was or wasn’t. It’s all mere speculation and conjecture based on no fact.


27 posted on 05/13/2014 11:59:59 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: ReformationFan

And sadistic perverts in the camps took whoever they wanted from the inmates, used them until they grew tired of them, killed them and selected another victim.


28 posted on 05/14/2014 12:50:11 AM PDT by fso301
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To: flaglady47
This is such a crock. There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that Hitler was a homosexual. None.

No direct proof but a mountain of indirect proof about a man who upon attaining power went to great lengths to erase something about his past.

many women during his life were attracted to him.

Such was also the case with Rock Hudson.

He surrounded himself with and confided in women within his inner circle.

So does Richard Simmons.

I defy anyone to offer proof that Hitler was actually homosexual.

There is no direct evidence but there is a mountain of indirect evidence. Read books of those near Hitler and also read the wartime psychological profiles of him.

29 posted on 05/14/2014 1:04:32 AM PDT by fso301
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To: flaglady47
P.S., this is another gigantic assumption that you could drive a truck through, and another crock.

Have you read the book?

30 posted on 05/14/2014 1:05:19 AM PDT by fso301
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To: dfwgator; dangus
I think more than anything Hitler was married to his work.

Which is exactly what the cited author (Lothar Machtan) believes to have been the case by the 1930s.

It was the younger sexually active Hitler rather than the middle aged sexually inactive leader that Machtan wrote about.

31 posted on 05/14/2014 1:16:12 AM PDT by fso301
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To: FredZarguna; ReformationFan; flaglady47
What a bunch of BS. Hitler is on record as having made a number of comments that he was indifferent to homosexuality, and his entire sexual history is heterosexual.

Sort of like hearing Obama make comment after comment that he is a committed Christian?

He was also largely indifferent to economics.

From where do you get that?

Hitler was an evil monster, but the rumors that he was a homosexual, a pervert, or a coward simply have no basis in fact.

I agree that he was unquestionably brave but there is plenty of 2nd party evidence that he had a messed up sexual identity.

32 posted on 05/14/2014 1:24:30 AM PDT by fso301
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To: flaglady47; MacNaughton
No one knows what Hitler’s love life was or wasn’t. It’s all mere speculation and conjecture based on no fact.

It's difficult to deny that it wasn't normal.

33 posted on 05/14/2014 1:28:43 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Colonel_Flagg
As flaglady has correctly noted, no serious historian has ever presented a scrap of evidence that Hitler was a homosexual. He was a lot of evil things -- but not, evidently, that.

Have you read the book cited in the article?

34 posted on 05/14/2014 1:30:31 AM PDT by fso301
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To: ReformationFan

nto so sure that i believe this stuff... seems like a lot of flinging stuff around, but little evidence to back it up.


35 posted on 05/14/2014 4:41:42 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: fso301; MacNaughton

Check out 2:15-3:25 on this clip from the 1960 movie “Exodus”-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwKP09W6-vU

Sal Mineo’s character(an Auschwitz survivor) admits what the Nazi guards did to him. I’m amazed they let that in a mainstream Hollywood film made when the Hays Code was still in effect.


36 posted on 05/14/2014 5:06:31 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: fso301
Sort of like hearing Obama make comment after comment that he is a committed Christian?

Nothing like it at all. Saying you are something, and behaving that way are two different things.

He was also largely indifferent to economics.

From where do you get that?

This is documented in MANY, MANY places. Two that I can think of right off the top of my head are Shirer's classic book, and much more importantly, Speer says this several times in Inside the Third Reich. Now, much that Speer claims is self-serving nonsense [He did not know about the atrocities, etc., etc.] but concerning Hitler, the Party, and Hitler's beliefs he has no reason to lie.

But again, we don't need the testimony of a pinko journalist who lived in Germany throughout Hitler's rise and fall, nor one of Hitler's closest insiders for evidence, because his actions are clear: he did not advance any serious part of the NSDAP socialist economic program. Had he cared about it, he would have.

I agree that he was unquestionably brave but there is plenty of 2nd party evidence that he had a messed up sexual identity.

Cite ONE REPUTABLE SOURCE.

37 posted on 05/14/2014 10:06:00 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: ReformationFan
36 Sal Mineo’s character(an Auschwitz survivor) admits what the Nazi guards did to him. I’m amazed they let that in a mainstream Hollywood film made when the Hays Code was still in effect.

Wikipedia - Sal Mineo - a little irony here
In the late 1960s Mineo became one of the first major actors in Hollywood to publicly acknowledge his homosexuality.[15] Despite this, he had several sexual relationships with women in his earlier years, most notably Jill Haworth.

Regarding Exodus, I started reading all of Leon Uris' historical novels in my senior year of HS.

Scott Lively’s and Kevin Abrams’ highly controversial book, The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party was written to counter historical revisionism by the homosexual political movement which had been attempting since the 1970s to fabricate a “Gay Holocaust” equivalent to that suffered by the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Wikipedia - The Pink Swastika

Erik N. Jensen regards the authors' linkage of homosexuality and Nazism as the recurrence of a "pernicious myth", originating in 1930s attacks on Nazism by Socialists and Communists and "long since dispelled" by "serious scholarship".[6] Jensen sees the book as coming about in "the aftermath of an Oregon measure to repeal gay rights".[6]

Dorthe Seifert cites it as a response to increasing awareness of Nazi persecution of homosexuals.[7]

Christine L. Mueller argues that the historical record does not support Abrams' assertions.[8]

Bob Moser, writing for the Southern Poverty Law Center, says the book was promoted by anti-gay groups and that historians agree its premise is "utterly false".[9]

If the SPLC condemns it, then The Pink Swastika must be closer to the truth!

Jonathan Zimmerman, a historian at New York University, wrote that the claim that gay people helped bring Nazism to Germany “is a flat-out lie.”[10] Zimmerman, points out that "Between 1933 and 1945, the Nazis arrested roughly 100,000 men as homosexuals. Most convicted gays were sent to prison; between 5,000 and 15,000 were interned in concentration camps, where they wore pink triangles to signify their supposed crime."[10] He further notes, "To win their release from the camps, some gays were forced to undergo castration. Others were mutilated or murdered in so-called medical experiments by Nazi doctors, who insisted that homosexuality was a disease that could be 'cured'."[10] In addition, "Hitler authorized an edict in 1941 prescribing the death penalty [...] for SS and police members found guilty of gay activity."[10]

38 posted on 05/14/2014 11:48:18 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: FredZarguna
He was also largely indifferent to economics.

From where do you get that?

This is documented in MANY, MANY places. Two that I can think of right off the top of my head are Shirer's classic book, and much more importantly, Speer says this several times in Inside the Third Reich. Now, much that Speer claims is self-serving nonsense [He did not know about the atrocities, etc., etc.] but concerning Hitler, the Party, and Hitler's beliefs he has no reason to lie.

By the time of Shirer and particularly Speer, Hitler had to take pragmatic stances concerning economic policy. Did he intend to return to his true roots once the short term expediencies of the war were behind him? It's hard to say with certainty. Publicly, he did speak of a future classless society. Privately, he spoke of a future society having strong central government and limited property rights but not as limited as communism.

But again, we don't need the testimony of a pinko journalist who lived in Germany throughout Hitler's rise and fall, nor one of Hitler's closest insiders for evidence, because his actions are clear: he did not advance any serious part of the NSDAP socialist economic program. Had he cared about it, he would have.

Because much of that depended on winning the war and as I already mentioned he had to be pragmatic in the short term.

I agree that he was unquestionably brave but there is plenty of 2nd party evidence that he had a messed up sexual identity.
Cite ONE REPUTABLE SOURCE.

Working backwards from the linked article, do you really believe the cited book The Hidden Hitler by Lothar Machtan is not reputable?

39 posted on 05/14/2014 1:59:21 PM PDT by fso301
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To: MacNaughton; ReformationFan; flaglady47; FredZarguna
When you read accounts by Holocaust survivors, you encounter sexual perversion inside the camps over and over. The following is from Holocaust survivor Elie Weisel's Nobel Prize winning book Night in which on Pg 48 he describes Auschwitz:

Our tent leader was a German. An assassin's face, fleshy lips, hands resembling a wolf's paws. The camp's food had agreed with him; he could hardly move, he was so fat. Like the head of the camp, he liked children. Immediately after our arrival, he had bread brought for them, some soup and margarine. (In fact, this affection was not entirely altruistic; there existed here a veritable traffic of children among homosexuals

40 posted on 05/14/2014 2:13:14 PM PDT by fso301
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To: FredZarguna
37 ... he did not advance any serious part of the NSDAP socialist economic program. Had he cared about it, he would have. ...

How about socialized medicine?

National Health Care: Medicine in Germany, 1918-1945
NOVEMBER 01, 1993 by MARC S. MICOZZI M.D.

41 posted on 05/14/2014 3:21:42 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: fso301

Which says nothing about Hitler.


42 posted on 05/14/2014 3:22:02 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: fso301
Do you really believe the cited book The Hidden Hitler by Lothar Machtan is not reputable?

Correct. I do not.

43 posted on 05/14/2014 3:23:01 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: FredZarguna
Correct. I do not.

Perhaps you could tell us why? Then we'll take it from there.

44 posted on 05/14/2014 3:28:06 PM PDT by fso301
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To: FredZarguna; MacNaughton; ReformationFan
Which says nothing about Hitler.

Nothing directly but if you'll notice, my comment was in reply to post #38 and a scene from the movie Exodos.

45 posted on 05/14/2014 3:42:02 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

OK, it’s pretty simple. He has no direct evidence except for the testimony of two people who were Hitler’s enemies. Sorry, but that doesn’t cut it. His book is not a serious piece of work, it’s all just the same old rumors with absolutely nothing to back it up. On the other side, we have Hitler’s public history, which, absent any serious evidence, we have to take at face value: he was straight. Period.


46 posted on 05/14/2014 8:02:51 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: MacNaughton

Thanks for those links.

Fischer had another article about it years ago-

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/080515


47 posted on 05/14/2014 8:13:21 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: FredZarguna; MacNaughton; ReformationFan
OK, it’s pretty simple. He has no direct evidence except for the testimony of two people who were Hitler’s enemies.

First of all, I've never said there was direct evidence. Few people that were close to Hitler but for whatever reason got on his wrong side lived to tell about it.

Secondly, if you ever get a chance to read the book you will have to admit there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence that Machtan has assembled. Through much of his life Hitler was a man surrounded by homosexuals and who gravitated to a homosexual social environment. Not many straight men will over an extended period do that.

Sorry, but that doesn’t cut it. His book is not a serious piece of work, it’s all just the same old rumors with absolutely nothing to back it up.

You've obviously never read the book or you would cite specifics rather than rehash something written on an internet review and claim as your own. Good luck finding any negative review of his book that goes into specific rebuttals other than the lack of direct evidence and a few women Hitler was photographed standing next to.

On the other side, we have Hitler’s public history, which, absent any serious evidence, we have to take at face value: he was straight. Period.

Consistency of your argument requires that you believe Al Capone to have been a tax cheat and nothing more.

48 posted on 05/15/2014 1:38:07 AM PDT by fso301 (uires that you believe)
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I read the book. It's crap.

Consistency of your argument requires that you believe Al Capone to have been a tax cheat and nothing more.

Please don't try making analogies. It requires logical thinking, and your simile is EXACTLY backward. We had evidence Capone was a tax cheat. Consistency of your argument requires us to believe Capone didn't cheat on his taxes, because one tax collector cherry-picked Capone's known associations, and many of them were not tax cheats.

Like all politicians, Hitler knew an enormous number of people. Some of them were occultists. Thus: Hitler had a passion for the occult. Except ... he didn't. Some of them were homosexuals. Thus: Hitler was a homosexual. Except ... he wasn't.

49 posted on 05/15/2014 9:18:30 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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I read the book. It's crap.

I find it odd that if you really did read the book you won't cite specific rebuttals. Is that because internet reviews downplaying the book also fail to go into specific rebuttals?

Please don't try making analogies. It requires logical thinking, and your simile is EXACTLY backward. We had evidence Capone was a tax cheat. Consistency of your argument requires us to believe Capone didn't cheat on his taxes, because one tax collector cherry-picked Capone's known associations, and many of them were not tax cheats.

If you disagree with the proven evidence that Capone was a tax cheat and nothing more, what proof can you offer that he was a murderer?

Like all politicians, Hitler knew an enormous number of people. Some of them were occultists. Thus: Hitler had a passion for the occult. Except ... he didn't. Some of them were homosexuals. Thus: Hitler was a homosexual. Except ... he wasn't.

Okay. I see we will get nowhere with Lothar Machtan's book. Next on the list, why do you believe the wartime psychological profiles of Hitler were incorrect in their assessment that he had a mixed up sexuality and may be a closeted homosexual?

50 posted on 05/15/2014 2:37:20 PM PDT by fso301 (uires that you believe)
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