Skip to comments.Homosexuals were persecuted in Nazi Germany - by other homosexuals
Posted on 05/13/2014 8:14:47 PM PDT by ReformationFan
Winger-left blowhard Ed Schultz got a mention on Drudge today, for sending out a Tweet that said, "Gay people were really the ones being persecuted in Hitler's Germany."
While 10,000-15,000 homosexuals were likely to have died at Hitler's hands (which is 10,000-15,000 too many), Schultz blithely and blindly ignores the plain historical fact that that number pales in comparison to the six million Jews who were gassed or shot by Hitler's goons.
What Schultz overlooks, perhaps out of sheer historical ignorance, is that the persecution of homosexuals in Hitler's Germany was carried out by other homosexuals.
Hitler was seeking to revive the Greek ideal of the hyper-masculine homosexual warrior, and thus gathered around him homosexuals like himself to serve with him in his sinister designs for the world.
The man who served as the director of the Institute of Sexology in 1930 wrote that "not ten percent of the men who, in 1933, took the fate of Germany into their hands, were sexually normal." Noted historian William Shirer, in his monumental work, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, observed of the "brown-shirted S.A." that "many of its top leaders, beginning with its chief, Roehm, were notorious homosexual perverts."
Adds historian H.R. Knickerbocker, "(Ernst) Roehm, as the head of 2,500,000 Storm Troops, had surrounded himself with a staff of perverts. His chiefs, men of rank of Gruppenfuhrer or Obergruppenfuhrer, commanding units of several hundred thousand Storm Troopers, were almost without exception homosexuals. Indeed, unless a Storm Troop officer were homosexual he had no chance of advancement."
So if Hitler's officers and enforcers were hyper-masculine homosexuals, who were the homosexuals they persecuted? The objects of Nazi wrath were soft, effeminate homosexuals whom the Spartan S.A. despised.
Prior to Hitler's assumption of power, homosexuality, known as "the German vice" was a crime. Those who were apprehended were sent for evaluation to the Institute of Sexology. Thus many of Hitler's officers had patient records in this institution which he could not allow to see the light of day.
Thus, In 1930, Hitler burned the Institute of Sexology to the ground to obliterate evidence of Nazi sexual proclivities.
According to Ludwig L. Lenz, the assistant director of the Institute of Sexology at the time, said, "We had a great many Nazis under treatment at the Institute. Why was it then, since we were completely non-party, that our purely scientific Institute was the first victim which fell to the new regime? The answer to this is simple...We knew too much...Our knowledge of such intimate secrets regarding members of the Nazi Party and other documentary material we possessed about forty thousand confessions and biographical letters was the cause of the complete and utter destruction of the Institute of Sexology."
Homosexual advocates often cite the "Night of the Long Knives," in which Roehm and other S.A. officers were assassinated, as evidence of Hitler's antipathy toward homosexuals.
However, noted German historian Lothar Mochtan, in his book The Hidden Hitler, written in 2001, argues that Hitler had Roehm killed for another reason: Roehm was about to out Hitler to the German public, to expose Hitler's own twisted sexual orientation, in a bid to remove Hitler from power and take the reins of Germany into his own hands. Roehm, in other words, was killed to protect Hitler's power and his sexual secrets.
One historian put it this way, "Ernst Roehm wasn't shot because the Nazi Party felt outraged by the abrupt discovery that he was 'having' his storm troopers that had been known for ages; but because his sway over the SA had become a menace to Hitler."
So when Ed Schultz says that homosexuals were persecuted by Hitler, he is half right. The other half is that that persecution was carried out by other homosexuals. That half of the story is at least as important as Schultz's half, but it's the half that Ed Schultz and other members of the Gay Gestapo hope you never hear about. Well, now you have.
Did you really expect Ed Schulz to know anything accurately about history?
Schulz is to history as Obama is to baseball - limp wristed wuss.
This is such a crock. There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that Hitler was a homosexual. None. But historians just love to try to make him into one, that or saying he was actually Jewish. No proof whatsoever of either innuendo. Go after him on what he did, not on what he didn’t do, which was to ever have ANY known homosexual relationship.
If you read the biographies of Hitler from his youth on, he lusted after one girl in his hometown whom he idolized as a teen, and many women during his life were attracted to him. He surrounded himself with and confided in women within his inner circle. He was quite old fashioned and formal with and very considerate of these women, in fact all women.
When it was the dinner hour at his home with his inner circle of men and women, Hitler would escort a different woman into the dining room each night, and seat her next to him, with Eva Braun on the other side. He had two main female relationships, one who committed suicide, which freaked Hitler out bigtime, and then he spent his later years with Eva Braun, who was his mistress and whom he married right before they offed themselves in the Berlin bunker. I defy anyone to offer proof that Hitler was actually homosexual.
“The Hidden Hitler, written in 2001, argues that Hitler had Roehm killed for another reason: Roehm was about to out Hitler to the German public, to expose Hitler’s own twisted sexual orientation, in a bid to remove Hitler from power and take the reins of Germany into his own hands. Roehm, in other words, was killed to protect Hitler’s power and his sexual secrets.”
P.S., this is another gigantic assumption that you could drive a truck through, and another crock.
Does The Producers count?
Two reasons Hitler killed Rohm.
The industrialists, whom Hitler needed to build the war machine, did not like Rohm and the SA, because they called for complete nationalization of all German industry and the liquidation of the industrialists.
The Wehrmacht would not support Hitler, because Rohm wanted to replace them with the SA.
Hitler could never gain power without the support of those two main constituents.
It was strictly business.
“Does The Producers count?”
LOL. You make my case. How people want to portray Hitler as versus who he really was. One could make a case that Hitler was bipolar, better known as manic depressive back then. Especially if you read about his behavior as a teen, and it carried through his whole life. Read the book “The Young Hitler” and then read up on bipolar and see what I mean.
“It was strictly business.”
Bingo. Roehm was basically a true Communist rather than a fascist. He had to go.
And Roehm was a homosexual. He disgusted a lot of people, but was too powerful to attack for his perversity.
“And Roehm was a homosexual. He disgusted a lot of people, but was too powerful to attack for his perversity.”
Not too big to avoid being offed by Hitler. There was someone more powerful than Roehm who cut him down to size, six feet under to be exact.
Hitler had already been 'outed' in 1931, through his relationship with his niece, Geli Raubal. She committed suicide, but the resulting scandal certainly did not help Hitler in the 1932 German presidential election, which he lost. As flaglady has correctly noted, no serious historian has ever presented a scrap of evidence that Hitler was a homosexual. He was a lot of evil things -- but not, evidently, that.
He was also largely indifferent to economics. The homosexual SA leader, Ernst Röhm, on the other hand, took the "Socialist" in NSDAP seriously, and Hitler perceived him as a threat because the SA answered to Röhm more directly than Hitler, and the "true believers" like Röhm were more interested in the Party platform than the cult of personality.
To make things worse for the NSDAP Leftists, the Wehrmacht and other elements of the center-right political powers in Germany did not like the SA.
That's why the SS was nurtured, and why Röhm was killed. Period.
Hitler was an evil monster, but the rumors that he was a homosexual, a pervert, or a coward simply have no basis in fact.
In fact the SA recruited many former Bolshevik street fighters into their ranks.
The copious murders committed in the streets of Berlin in the year before Hitler came to power were strictly between leftists who were nationalists, and leftists who believed in the Internationale and took orders from Moscow. Hitler did not mind burning them up, and had no real use for their ideology. He was a pure opportunist.
I have read this before... but have seen very little about it
I think it makes sense
Why is it not more widely known or accepted?
Does anyone refute it?
They were useful idiots.
You do know that most historians believe that Hitler never had sexual relations with Eva Braun, don’t you? I doubt Hitler was exclusively homosexual, but the fact that every girlfriend (beard?) he had committed suicide has led many historians to suspect Hitler had some bizarre fetishes or sexual deviances.
I think more than anything Hitler was married to his work.
Ive read from other sources that Hitler was probably impotent.....
But who knows if he was homosexual?
I think the real point is that there were a lot of hyper masculine gays in the SS and throughout the Nazi administration.
Its pretty clear that a lot of sick people were in there ....brutality and sadism were certainly rampant and I don’t think that comes from a healthy sex life