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2+2What? Parents rail against Common Core math
Associated Press ^ | May 15, 2014 7:08 AM EDT | Michael Rubinkam

Posted on 05/15/2014 4:29:29 AM PDT by Olog-hai

An Iowa woman jokingly calls it “Satan’s handiwork.” A California mom says she’s broken down in tears. A Pennsylvania parent says it “makes my blood boil.”

What could be so horrible? Grade-school math.

As schools around the U.S. implement national Common Core learning standards, parents trying to help their kids with math homework say that adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing has become as complicated as calculus.

They’re stumped by unfamiliar terms like “rectangular array” and “area model.” They wrestle with division that requires the use of squares, slashes and dots. They rage over impenetrable word problems. …

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Education; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: commoncore; liberalagenda; newmath; satanshandiwork
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1 posted on 05/15/2014 4:29:30 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Making Rush’s “skulls full of mush” a reality in order to manipulate the masses, IMO.


2 posted on 05/15/2014 4:36:48 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Olog-hai
Personally, I think some of the Common Core methods are purely for political mis-education, but for this math agenda, they might be looking for children with different thought processes, for what reason, I do know.

All I know is that when some educator or ‘scientist’ comes along and says we HAVE to be able to do something multiple different ways, I wonder why, for what purpose. I've always believed in the Occam’s Razor principle, and would also apply that to methodology.

3 posted on 05/15/2014 4:38:40 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Olog-hai

Why are they always screwing with Math? Even when I was in school a hundred years ago. We had “new” math. I mean it’s a rhetorical question. They want our kids to be as dumb as possible so the left can take over this once great country.


4 posted on 05/15/2014 4:40:29 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: Gaffer

They seek those with “different thought processes” so they can eliminate the rest?


5 posted on 05/15/2014 4:43:13 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Your guess is as good as mine. They could be searching for an Einstein, or an Eichmann - who knows? All I know is that I don’t trust them one damn bit.


6 posted on 05/15/2014 4:46:37 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Olog-hai

Kids need to learn this type of math so that as adults they can conceptualize such things as $17 trillion of debt being a good thing.


7 posted on 05/15/2014 4:48:43 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: Gaffer
Personally, I think some of the Common Core methods are purely for political mis-education, but for this math agenda, they might be looking for children with different thought processes, for what reason, I do know.

Children will come up with their own methods for managing mathematics, the methods that work for them. It seems that Common Core attempts to teach them methods directly, instead of teaching them to simply add and subtract and letting them come up with their own methods. That can't work, since the methods a child settles on are not likely to be the same as those taught in Common Core--and Common Core is bypassing the essential skill anyway, which is to perform the number operations in whatever way that works. 5x7=35, no matter how my brain ends up processing it.

8 posted on 05/15/2014 4:51:20 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Gaffer

Einstein learned math the traditional way, actually; despite the nasty rumor that he “failed math” as a kid, he actually taught himself differential and integral calculus before age 15.


9 posted on 05/15/2014 4:55:19 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: exDemMom

I don’t think they really care whether a child can get the answer on their own or not. It is not conformance. Left to their own devices upon encountering a child with synesthesia, they would fail her/him because the child failed to get to the answer ‘their’ way(s).


10 posted on 05/15/2014 4:57:49 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

The education echelon postulates they can teach children math theory by this method instead of wrote learning and practice, (which they perceive as boring and loses some kids to distraction). This postulate is nothing but VooDoo passed down from upper level academia to prove some elitist doctoral thesis.

Learning to play the piano is done through repetition and practice of fundamentals (scales and such) not theory alone, it’s the same with mathematics.


11 posted on 05/15/2014 4:59:13 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Olog-hai

And, Eichmann likely progressed through school normally, even through medical school probably. But there was something very basically different between the two. All I’m saying is that by forcing more degrees of freedom into the process, can they - will they - try to isolate the behavior they are looking for?


12 posted on 05/15/2014 5:00:20 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: VTenigma

Sometimes, rote learning, memorization and practice are the only way to retain basic knowledge such as the ‘times tables’


13 posted on 05/15/2014 5:01:56 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Olog-hai

If you’re sending your kids to a government school, you’re part of the problem. You either care enough about your kids to put them in a privately run and funded school where they won’t be exposed to this and all of the other dangers or you don’t. Quit bitching and take responsibility for your kid’s education.


14 posted on 05/15/2014 5:02:52 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Olog-hai

Parents need to attack Common Core as child abuse and demand that politicians, school administrators, and teachers who try to implement Common Core on children are put on nationwide lists of child abusers.


15 posted on 05/15/2014 5:02:53 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Gaffer

No, because they don’t understand human nature. All they care about is control, anyway.


16 posted on 05/15/2014 5:03:45 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Revolt!


17 posted on 05/15/2014 5:03:54 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Olog-hai

And after 12 years of this junk, they still won’t be able to make change for your McMeal.


18 posted on 05/15/2014 5:10:14 AM PDT by wrench
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To: Olog-hai

Time to bring back the abacus.


19 posted on 05/15/2014 5:15:51 AM PDT by ImNotLying (The Right To Bear Arms: Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless!)
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To: defconw
Why are they always screwing with Math? Even when I was in school a hundred years ago. We had “new” math. I mean it’s a rhetorical question.

My 6th grade math teacher was asked to try a new math book with us. This was in the early '60s. He complied for a week or two then basically said "enough of that" and went back to teaching in the traditional way. What a relief.

20 posted on 05/15/2014 5:26:00 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Carl Vehse

Parents need to attack Common Core as child abuse and demand that politicians, school administrators, and teachers who try to implement Common Core on children are put on nationwide lists of child abusers.


Just like zerocare, the elitist don’t have to live with this. They have their kids in private school. No cc for them, they will rise educationally about the government masses.


21 posted on 05/15/2014 5:26:00 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Olog-hai

“In the first place, God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made school boards.” - Mark Twain


22 posted on 05/15/2014 5:26:17 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: Olog-hai

This is the design. To divide parents from their children, to prevent the prior generation from passing on knowledge. It’s diabolical and very Brave New Worldish.


23 posted on 05/15/2014 5:36:46 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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How sad. There is a very easy solution to grade school math that will work for over 90% of students. MEMORIZE your multiplication facts from 0x0 up to 12x12. Once you have those memorized, everything up to Geometry is doable.


24 posted on 05/15/2014 5:36:53 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Orangedog
Unfortunately, I have found that "educators" are pretty much all coming out of the same mills.

Even the Parochial and Private schools will have trouble avoiding those indoctrinated to teach using methods approved by the same people who issue teaching degrees and certificates to the teachers in the public schools.

This is a pervasive rot in education, and difficult to avoid.

25 posted on 05/15/2014 5:37:30 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Olog-hai

There was a video explaining how 32-12 would be solved with Common Core math. The next generation of kids are going to be unable to function outside school if that is the only method they are taught.


26 posted on 05/15/2014 5:41:25 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Flick Lives

Ole Mark had a pretty keen sense of observation.

(Assuming I know the root of your screen name...) How is Panamon Creel?


27 posted on 05/15/2014 5:45:39 AM PDT by MortMan (Avoid temporary variables and strange women.)
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To: VTenigma

“Learning to play the piano is done through repetition and practice of fundamentals (scales and such) not theory alone, it’s the same with mathematics.”

Excellent!


28 posted on 05/15/2014 5:50:15 AM PDT by kitkat (STORM HEAVEN WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Then find a private or parochial school that doesn’t participate in that curriculum or teach to those methods. Someone needs to show me where Christian/Catholic/Baptist/etc schools are just busting to get them some common core before I buy the story that it a problem there, too.


29 posted on 05/15/2014 5:53:08 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

Hundreds of Catholic schools have adopted Common Core from what I have read elsewhere.


30 posted on 05/15/2014 5:53:53 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Olog-hai

That’s a good point...everyone learns differently. I did not really GET calculus the old school taught way. The light didn;t come on until I did Excel spreadsheets with math functions. Ironic it was, as I got straight B’s in Calc and the light came on using a product that Bill Gates sold!


31 posted on 05/15/2014 5:54:42 AM PDT by gr8eman (There's no "R" in Warshington!)
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To: Orangedog

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/24/Catholic-School-Parents-Organize-To-Oppose-Common-Core-Standards


32 posted on 05/15/2014 5:54:45 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

When a program whose stated goals could have been accomplished far cheaper and easier and without a particular consequence,

you can assume that the consequence IS the goal.


33 posted on 05/15/2014 5:55:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: wrench

Which is why the drive-thrus have the automatic change makers. /sigh


34 posted on 05/15/2014 6:10:11 AM PDT by mykroar (We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again. - Nathanael Greene)
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To: Olog-hai

to separate children from their parents


35 posted on 05/15/2014 6:11:20 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: GeronL

And the parents are in charge, here. If Catholic schools start seeing their enrollment get kneecapped, common core will get dropped like a bad habit (there may be a pun here that needs pardoning).


36 posted on 05/15/2014 6:16:37 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

Not everyone can afford to put their kids in a private school.


37 posted on 05/15/2014 6:24:37 AM PDT by Catsrus (A)
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To: GeronL

The real problem is that it isn’t the only way that they’re taught. It’s just one of any number of ways they’re taught, which ensures that they won’t understand any of them.

Unnecessary complications and deliberate confusion abound. Equations are no longer equations; they’re now “number sentences”. Kids no longer “solve for x” or “express x in terms of. ..”; they now “make x the subject of the number sentence”. Subjects and sentences belong in English class, not math class.

< rant over >


38 posted on 05/15/2014 6:30:18 AM PDT by Bob
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Not everyone can afford to put their kids in a private school.

Na...you just don't care. To put my four kids through the nearest private school for four years I would only need $169,600. And even better, I can get all four of them through K-8 around here if I come up with $133,884.

Really...if you can't find a way to come up with a measly $303,484 in today's booming economy, what kind of selfish parent are you? You're part of the problem. You have no right to complain. You shouldn't go to school board meetings to voice your concerns. You shouldn't try to affect change.

If you can't come up with $300k, you should just shut up and take it.
39 posted on 05/15/2014 6:34:59 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Catsrus

Bulls**t. I sent mine to a private school and I was making way below the average income at the time. It meant eatling lots of mac and cheese, not going out to movies or events and not having a fancy phone. I also had a deadbeat ex wife on my payroll the whole time. If I can do this, so can others.


40 posted on 05/15/2014 6:38:48 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: mmichaels1970

Oh, sorry. I forgot it’s my problem that you intentionally chose to have more kids than you can offord feed, clothe and educate. I forgot all about your right to whelp out a litter and piss and moan about how much it costs to people who chose to live within their means.


41 posted on 05/15/2014 6:46:22 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog
I forgot it’s my problem that you intentionally chose to have more kids than you can offord feed, clothe and educate.

Oh sorry. I forgot the world was so full of judgemental asses that people who have a family and choose public schools should be relegated to second class citizens with no right to complain.
42 posted on 05/15/2014 6:51:17 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: mmichaels1970

Gotta love those suburban soccer moms who’s sense of entitlement would make the stereotypical inner city welfare queen blush.


43 posted on 05/15/2014 6:59:01 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Catsrus

Homeschool your children if you can’t manage a way to send them to a private school. Actually, homeschooling may be the better answer all the way around. I’ve done both.


44 posted on 05/15/2014 7:02:01 AM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: defconw

Many liberals sit through liberal arts programs where there is no absolute right or wrong answer, from philosophy to English to history. The idea that there is only ONE answer, and that there is a direct, logical and ideal way to get the ONE right answer is anathema when you think all ways and interpretations are equally valid.
So they apply muddied analysis and debate methods to math, for which it doesn’t work.


45 posted on 05/15/2014 7:09:26 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: VTenigma

The problem with running all children through number theory, essentially teaching them to derive Calculus by high school, is:
A. Most kids aren’t smart enough for it
B. Most kids spend so much time on theory that they don’t learn math facts
C. You teach kids that math is too hard, because it is so confusing, and drum out a large number who could have become engineers and STEM experts.


46 posted on 05/15/2014 7:11:28 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: tbw2
I was never particularly good at Math as a kid, but once I it clicked I loved Math. It's concrete. 2+2=4 and it can never be anything but 4. I do not understand when so many kids struggle with Math that this is going to help anything at all.

I am not a teacher, but I remember the joy and satisfaction that I felt, when I finally "got it". I think these kids are going to be so frustrated they may give up altogether and then we will have more ignorant people running around.

47 posted on 05/15/2014 7:15:21 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: FamiliarFace
Homeschool your children if you can’t manage a way to send them to a private school.

I agree that this is a viable alternative. However, I believe the government will have a much easier time forcing common core on homeschoolers than they will on private schools who may at least be able to afford quality legal representation.
48 posted on 05/15/2014 7:16:54 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Gaffer

“Your guess is as good as mine. They could be searching for an Einstein, or an Eichmann - who knows? “

They are searching for people who can understand the math of our alien overlords.


49 posted on 05/15/2014 7:33:50 AM PDT by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: Olog-hai
I'm decently advanced, so this may be under my skill level, but how do you conceptualize basic addition/subtraction? It's a pretty concrete number. 1+1=2 is about as low of a concept as you can get.

"For years there has been a raging debate in mathematics education about which is more important, procedural fluency or conceptual understanding.

I don't really see how these aren't what was previously taught. Procedural fluency is remembering your times tables. PEMDAS. etc. Conceptual understanding is EASY to teach to a kid. It's definitions. Multiplication is addition. 9*3 is defined as nine added to itself 3 times. 9+9+9 = 9*3. That's what the concept is. The problems I've seen from CommonCore are not in any way related to this kind of teaching.
50 posted on 05/15/2014 7:36:33 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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