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Woman Wants Citgo Station To Pick Up Tab For Damage Caused By Bad Fuel (Water)
CBS New York ^ | May 14, 2014

Posted on 05/15/2014 2:13:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway

A Bergen County gas station is under investigation for allegedly selling contaminated fuel. As CBS 2′s Hazel Sanchez reported, a woman said that her gas tank was filled with water, and now she wants the station owner to pay.

Adrienne Roetman said that her nightmare began when she filled her car’s nearly empty tank with contaminated gas from a Citgo station in Midland Park, New Jersey. It didn’t take long for the car to die.

“It just died. I mean, it wouldn’t start.” she said.

Roetman was driving a one-year-old Mazda3. A Mazda dealership mechanic said that the engine died because the gas tank had been filled with water.

Midland Park police have had to rescue more than a dozen stranded drivers, but gas station management blamed the problem on a bad fuel delivery.

Mechanics said that Roetman’s car needed new fuel pumps and injectors. The repairs cost more than $3,000.

Station owner Mohit Chopra took responsibility for the damage, but told Roetman, via email, that he would not pay her bill.

“We cannot issue a check for an unreasonable bill. Any auto expert can explain that in a case of bad gas replacement of parts is not required,” the note read.

Roetman said that Chopra initially agreed to pay the bill and then rescinded his offer. Station management said that the owner paid for the damage to all other affected cars.

“I do not have the money to put out to pay for all these expenses that your gas station has incurred on me,” Roetman said.

The Bergen County Division of Weights and Measures inspected the station and confirmed that it had sold contaminated gas, but had since been cleaned.

They said that the owner was not issued a violation, but could be if it is found out that he did not properly reimburse affected customers.


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1 posted on 05/15/2014 2:13:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

3k in repairs seems rather steep for legitimate repairs.


2 posted on 05/15/2014 2:15:57 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: nickcarraway

FWIW, This isn’t the first time I’ve heard of problems with CITGO gas.


3 posted on 05/15/2014 2:18:50 PM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: nickcarraway

All filling station gasoline storage tanks have water at the bottom from condensation. It doesn’t hurt anything as long as it is at the bottom. Problem is, when they get a delivery and a tanker truck fills the storage tank, the water at the bottom gets all stirred up. If you pump gas while a station is getting its tanks filled, you are asking for trouble.

I know all this first hand because I got gas in my motorcycle once when they were getting a delivery. Made it about half a mile before the bike sputtered to a halt. After about a half hour of fiddling I took off the bike’s gas cap and could see the water sloshing around the bottom. I took off the tank and dumped it all out, then pushed the bike to another station and filled up there. Started right up.


4 posted on 05/15/2014 2:19:04 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Rich21IE

Isn’t Citgo the Hugo Chavez gas company?

Maybe we should close them down; maybe it’s not the station’s fault.


5 posted on 05/15/2014 2:25:06 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Could you have siphoned the liquid from the bottom of the tank and kept the lighter stuff on top?


6 posted on 05/15/2014 2:27:00 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: nickcarraway

I once got gas from a gas station that filled their tanks with diesel fuel back accident! My car was puttering smoke and would kill all day.

I wondered how many other cars got filled with diesel that day.


7 posted on 05/15/2014 2:27:08 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: lepton

You’re probably correct, but maybe at dealer list prices for parts and New York labor rates they could approach that.

I looked up on Rockauto, the pump was $300 and the injectors $100 x 4.


8 posted on 05/15/2014 2:29:49 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: nickcarraway

I know all the experts have all the answers, but I suspect, IF the Mazda techs at the Mazda dealership say the one (1) year old Mazda needed new injectors and a new fuel pump and the bill came to $3,000.00 or $10,000.00 station owner Mohit Chopra is liable. Hell, if that Mazda is a rotary, Chopra is getting off cheap.


9 posted on 05/15/2014 2:34:06 PM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

ALL tanks should have a water meter to detect water in the tank . If there were multiple problems at once I’d say its the tanker trucks delivery.


10 posted on 05/15/2014 2:37:32 PM PDT by sopwith (LIVE FREE OR DIE)
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To: nickcarraway

When I was in high school back in the 60s I worked at a filling station weekends. When we got a gas delivery, I had to do two things. One was to examine the tanks on the truck to make sure it was full and after delivery, I took a wooden stick and smeared something on it which would react if there was water in the mixture.

There never was.


11 posted on 05/15/2014 2:40:37 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: lepton

Thats the Mazda dealer covering there a$$ til its out of the warr.


12 posted on 05/15/2014 2:46:20 PM PDT by sopwith (LIVE FREE OR DIE)
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To: nickcarraway

Try getting water in a tank of Jet-A in your helicopter. Then go fly to lift a wrecked Cessna as sling load out of a ravine on the side of an old volcano at 6,000 ft elevation.

I got a few yaw kicks so I set down, shut down and started looking for the problem. The fuel filter housing was half full of water. I had to drain, disassemble and dry the fuel tank & system, then truck in a new drum of fuel before I fly out of there. Bell Helicopter says a tablespoon of water past the filter can flame out the engine.

Two other fixed wing aircraft that had refuels at that same airport pump also got water in their fuel.

Water in fuel can happen even in the most careful of environments.


13 posted on 05/15/2014 2:49:36 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: nascarnation
I looked up on Rockauto, the pump was $300 and the injectors $100 x 4.

The labor to install is usually 3x to 4x the cost of parts. This would total $2800 to $3500. Gas Station owner should pay up.

Small Claims Court is frequently a reasonable way to pursue this type of claim.

14 posted on 05/15/2014 2:55:42 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: lepton

3k in repairs seems rather steep for legitimate repairs.
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The gas station owner is correct , no repairs are needed ,, drain and replace the bad fuel and drive away ... maybe $100 plus some cash for the inconvenience.


15 posted on 05/15/2014 2:57:46 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: lepton

One injector is over $175. Pump, regulator etc I can easily see $3k.

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/mazda-3-injectors


16 posted on 05/15/2014 2:59:50 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Neidermeyer
The gas station owner is correct , no repairs are needed ,, drain and replace the bad fuel and drive away ... maybe $100 plus some cash for the inconvenience.

Ayup. Maybe a new fuel filter, just in case. But there's no way it needed a new pump and injectors.

17 posted on 05/15/2014 3:00:36 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: CurlyDave

I guess you don’t turn wrenches for a living.


18 posted on 05/15/2014 3:07:20 PM PDT by sopwith (LIVE FREE OR DIE)
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To: nickcarraway

One word: Ethanol
Why if we only had more everywhere this would not happen at all....
BTW If that were the case then we would have a million cars a day with this problem.


19 posted on 05/15/2014 3:13:23 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: IYAS9YAS

I concur, it isn’t like the water was in the system long.


20 posted on 05/15/2014 3:15:43 PM PDT by KEVLAR (Liberty or Death)
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To: CurlyDave

OEM parts from a dealer are not sold at Rockauto prices.


21 posted on 05/15/2014 3:21:27 PM PDT by wrench
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To: nickcarraway

Sue Maduro.


22 posted on 05/15/2014 3:23:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: lepton

New Mazdas are direct injected which means an electric fuel pump at the tank, a mechanical fuel pump at the fuel rail, and then 4 bosch in cylinder injectors (similar to a deisel) which are several hundred dollars a peice.

If I were to play amature detective here I would wonder were the parts truely damaged or is the Mazda dealer covering their butt while the car is under warranty. I suspect that the other cars who got bad gas had their tanks dumped and fuel system flushed to the tune of a couple hundred dollars. When the owner saw several $300 bills and then a $3,000 bill he balked.


23 posted on 05/15/2014 4:12:57 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: tsomer

Maybe, but I was far from home and had no access to any tools other than the ones under the seat.


24 posted on 05/15/2014 4:19:05 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: nickcarraway

water in the fuel system would have caused no damage whatsoever.....no mechanical damage would have been caused PERIOD .....I was in the foreign car repair business for 30 years....


25 posted on 05/15/2014 4:22:28 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: Rich21IE

I stopped buying Citgo gas years ago when I found out it was Hugo Chavez’s company. I know he’s dead now, but the corrupt Venezuelan government still owns it.


26 posted on 05/15/2014 5:01:04 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: mad_as_he$$
One injector is over $175. Pump, regulator etc I can easily see $3k.

Please explain how the water will destroy the injector, pump, and what the hell does the regulator have to do with it?

Hell yes the providor should and must take care of what happened. It did not destroy the above mentioned items.

ps the "regulator" is an electronic chip and computer program.

27 posted on 05/15/2014 10:46:43 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: minnesota_bound
One word: Ethanol

It is great for drinking but sucks in an internal combustion engine. It has cost me a lot of dollars with small engines. It is hell on seals and tubing of small engines.

The best place for ethanol is in glasses for drinking and the hell away from internal combustions engines.

28 posted on 05/15/2014 10:53:14 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Tupelo

“Hell, if that Mazda is a rotary,...”

Sadly, Mazda no longer sells a rotary engine.


29 posted on 05/15/2014 11:16:32 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: cpdiii

I have seen water intrusion into injectors cause pitting and uneven flows. On a small engine it could cause severe performance issues. Especially if it is a high pressure system.


30 posted on 05/16/2014 5:07:20 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yeah, now I see I’m the pot calling the kettle black.
I’ll have to get a piece of pipe for my truck—once it’s rolling again.


31 posted on 05/16/2014 5:57:50 PM PDT by tsomer
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