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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 20 MAY 16, 2014
Free Republic | may 16, 2014 | greeneyes

Posted on 05/16/2014 12:31:49 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks.

No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. There is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


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Greetings from Missouri. We are at 55 degrees here at the one acre ranch. The past two weeks have been record setters. First we had temps about 30 degrees above normal, and now we have had temps about 30 to 40 degrees below normal.

This AM we had frost on the roof tops, had to cover tomatoes last night, and bring in a bunch of my seedlings. This is unprecidented in my memory. I have never before experienced frost after Mother's Day, but it does demonstrate why I figure on June 1 as the "real planting date".

Thanks to Rightly for posting the thread last weekend. The drive to Kirksville was great - such pretty country and farmland. We got to see our daughter for the first time since she moved to Kansas. So proud to see our Granddaughter graduate from Truman State. She worked so hard and got full scholarships so that she doesn't have any college debt, and has a job starting in two weeks.

I was asked for a pickle recipe, and I'll post that after the ping on this thread. Hope that all of you are doing well, and your gardens are lush and productive. Have a great weekend. God Bless.

1 posted on 05/16/2014 12:31:49 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes; To Hell With Poverty; Altariel; heartwood; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; ..

Pinging the List.


2 posted on 05/16/2014 12:36:15 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Our mini heat wave gave the tomatoes the jolt they needed.. The fruit trees aren’t as full of baby fruit as desired, we had bees so, hopefully the squirrels and birds will go easy and eat more peanuts from a local feeder.


3 posted on 05/16/2014 12:41:39 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: greeneyes

Been kind of a crap week, really cold and wet, almost cold enough to snow.

Had a funnel cloud pass by a couple of miles south last weekend. Plants were outside and sustained over 10 minutes of pea/marble sized hail and torrential downpour. Tore things up pretty good.


4 posted on 05/16/2014 12:43:06 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: greeneyes

Got German tomatoes growing wild, just got my order of hops seeds so I can start my “beer garden” and will be innoculating a few logs with shiitake plugs this weekend! Gotta love spring!


5 posted on 05/16/2014 12:45:01 PM PDT by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: greeneyes
Here in Sacramento we've had a couple of 100deg days in a row and everything is flourishing.

Tomato leafs so green they're almost blue. Limes and Oranges already the size of your thumb.

Picked my first cherries last night.

6 posted on 05/16/2014 12:46:14 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: dware
....hops seeds so I can start my “beer garden” and will be innoculating a few logs with shiitake plugs this weekend!

My garden is very boring compared to yours.

7 posted on 05/16/2014 12:49:55 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of course I didn't read the article. After all, this is Free Republic.)
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To: greeneyes

It’s 65 degrees here in Massachusetts today, but the recent warm temperatures have moved us much further into typical spring weather, and our trees and bushes are very close to being in full leaf. Our seedlings are doing better, and my husband harvested some lettuce for dinner tonight.


8 posted on 05/16/2014 12:53:07 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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9 posted on 05/16/2014 12:54:25 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: sockmonkey

Been trying a lot of new things. I really do want to get a lot more sufficient when it comes to the stuff I grow/make. Kinda tired of giving my hard earned money to other people, for stuff I can do on my own!


10 posted on 05/16/2014 12:56:38 PM PDT by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: greeneyes; hearthwench
Here is the Zuke Pickle recipe. I was not able to find my notes, so I'll try to remember how I altered the recipe:

SWEET AND SPICY PICKLED ZUKES - makes 4 pints

2 lbs zucchini
1 med. onion
2 heaping Tbls coarse salt
2 cups ice cubes
1 1/2 cups apple cider vinegar
1 1/2 cups white vinegar
2 cups sugar
1 tsp whole mustard seed
1/4 tsp ground turmeric
3/4 tsp whole black peppercorns
1/4 tsp red pepper

Slice the onions and zukes, and toss with the salt and ice cubes. Refrigerate for 3 hours. Drain, Rinse, and drain again.

Combine the other ingredients and bring to a boil. Put the zukes and onion in jars and follow directions for raw pack pickle canning in your Ball Blue Book, water bath canner book, or pressure cooker book, ladling in the hot mixture and leaving the appropriate head room.

Processing time is 10 minutes.

I added dill, garlic, and pickle crisp to this recipe. About 3/4 Tablespoon of dill to the mixture, 1/8 tsp pickle crisp per pint and 1 clove of garlic to each pint.

I cut the zukes in spears about 3 inches long, and 1/4 inch wide, using a chef's knife. I also cut off the centers so that most of the seeds were cut off.

When I fill the jars with hot liquid, I put a metal spoon or knife into the jar to help absorb the shock of the boiling liquid and prevent breakage - something my Granny taught me.

If I ever find my notes, I'll let you know if there are any additional ingredients I might have used.

11 posted on 05/16/2014 1:05:56 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Crazy weather we’ve had in Central Missouri this spring.

No frost at my place last night, but there’s another chance of it tonight.

Still pumping out the pond from all of the rain we got earlier in the week. I noticed this morning that it was just about empty so it ought to be done by the time I get home today. Need a couple days of sunshine and wind before I’ll be able to get back in there with Nanner.

Haven’t done any work in the garden since last Saturday, but it’s growing like crazy. Lettuce is now big enough to pick on, snap peas are about a foot high, kentucky wonder beans are sprouting, sweet corn has started to spike, and the best part - next to no weeds coming up. What few do make it through that thick layer of horse poo I just cut with a shovel and they’re done!

I still have quite a bit of free space out there but I haven’t decided what all I want to plant. Cilantro for sure, some dill, and maybe some odd varieties of salad greens, but that still will leave free space. What to do, what to do...


12 posted on 05/16/2014 1:07:55 PM PDT by Augie
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To: greeneyes

Afternoon all. So my yellow squash is doin what ist is supposed to be doing. I am getting very nice blossoms on all of my plants. So nice that I want to pick them and stuff them like a stuffed pepper.

Being that last season I had the blossoms, but instead of producing anything they fell off the plant and died. Wth good blossoms, how long does it normally take before I start seeing a veggie?

I am in the San Antonio area.


13 posted on 05/16/2014 1:08:08 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary"S)
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To: NormsRevenge

I am ready for a small heat wave too.LOL


14 posted on 05/16/2014 1:08:19 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Free Vulcan

I am so glad that the Funnel cloud passed you by. Now that would have really torn up the garden even more so not to mention other stuff.


15 posted on 05/16/2014 1:09:38 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: dware

I do love spring, problem is it keeps regressing, and soon it will be summer. Cold wet springs are not helpful to the gardening efforts, but it beats no rain and dry hot conditions, so I am thankful that the rain barrels are full.


16 posted on 05/16/2014 1:11:28 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Mariner

That sounds great. You are blessed with a good climate.


17 posted on 05/16/2014 1:12:27 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: trisham

I have some lettuce started in pots to grow, so that I can bring them in if needed.

This weekend, I plan to plant some more lettuce in the outdoor garden no matter what.


18 posted on 05/16/2014 1:14:04 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; sockmonkey

Hey greeneyes & all! Enjoy it while it lasts! We got a cool front this week (bonus heavy rains) & it’s sure been nice. It was HOT before that.

We had Mia, our little Eskie girl up at A&M last week (mixed bag- good news & scary news that’s still ongoing- no answers yet. Scary because she has been seen by the best), so some of my stuff (squash, cowpeas, & corn) is going to be late. Everything else is up & running (turnips, beets, carrots, okra + herbs). We’re getting strawberries one by one from the little hanging basket, but they are sweet & delicious!

There is something weird on the leaves of my Valley Cat tomatoes. It looks like the image (lighter than the leaf itself) of a long thin worm that’s kind of curling around. I need to figure out how to post pictures. I don’t know what this is.
But they’re blooming, so hoping for tomatoes.

Adding my wishes for everyone’s health & prosperity. And God Bless you, too.

sockmonkey, I think I found you some trees. The place doesn’t have a sign that I can tell (maybe attached to a little restaurant next door?), but it’s on the way to my vet in Somerset, so I’ll be back over there & soon. It’s on 1604 between I35 South & Old Pearsall Road. I’ll holler.


19 posted on 05/16/2014 1:14:49 PM PDT by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: Augie

My corn is not co operating. Refusing to sprout. May have to order some different seeds. Hubby’s corn and beans are doing well as so are the potatoes.

We have green strawberries and some of the honey berries are almost ripe. We are anxious to see how they taste when ripe.


20 posted on 05/16/2014 1:17:40 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Sometimes the first bunch of flowers don’t have both male and female flowers, so they fall off with no fruit. Watch for the male and female, and then you can help them pollinate with a tiny brush or q tip.

Also if the temps get really hot, sometimes fruit won’t set on tomatoes, so I suppose that could happen with squash, but don’t know for sure. They sell a spray for tomatoes to help with this.

The DTM (days to maturity) can usually be found on the package you planted or in the catalog description.


21 posted on 05/16/2014 1:22:42 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
I am thankful that the rain barrels are full.

That's my next venture, although I've got some conflicting info on the legalities in my area. I figure when I get closer to being able to set it up, I'll get a little more serious about the legal research.

22 posted on 05/16/2014 1:22:47 PM PDT by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: KGeorge

I would pick those little worms off get rid of them, I think.


23 posted on 05/16/2014 1:26:02 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

In my experience, most squashes have problems setting fruits about 95F. Some sort of sull if it’s over 90F much. For c. moschata winter squash the 95F is the one to pay attention to.


24 posted on 05/16/2014 1:27:43 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: greeneyes

Anyone try to regrow romaine lettuce? You tube has a video showing how it’s done with romaine, carrots, celery and onions. Simply cut about 2” from the bottom of the romaine stalk, place it in 1/2 inch of water (which is changed daily) and it will start to sprout within a few weeks. I am now going to transplant it in the garden as a test.


25 posted on 05/16/2014 1:28:46 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: dware
We also set up a swimming pool so that we can hold about 4000 gallons, in case we have a longer drought than usual.

A couple of summers ago, the drought was so bad that our rain barrels were dry by the end of May, and didn't get full again till fall. We hauled water for the fruit/nut trees and perennials, but let the garden burn up.

We are on a well, so we do conserve water as much as possible. Don't want to run it dry.

26 posted on 05/16/2014 1:29:26 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

It’s been a difficult spring, but not a disaster. Spring can be quirky and inconsistent.

I have quite a few seeds left to plant. I also have some spongy-feeling boards on the deck, which concern me, since our plan is for more containers going forward.


27 posted on 05/16/2014 1:30:12 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes

I always believed tomatoes liked hot weather but last year, when the temps went into the upper 80s, the tomato plants simply stopped producing. Fortunately, the farmers market on the local square was filled to over flowing.

Our over night low was 36 in town but closer to 45 here along the Lake of the Ozarks. The water temp is in the upper 60s/low 70s so we skipped the garden covering routine. I can’t remember ever having frosty weather this late.

Four varieties of peppers are healthy. Three types have small peppers. I’m waiting to see what the “Trinadad Scorpion” plants produce. I believe they are a variety of ghost pepper, which I have dryed and ground into powder in past years. They must be special. $2.50 bought me 10 seeds.

Cheers !


28 posted on 05/16/2014 1:33:19 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: greeneyes; sockmonkey; All

Reminder to self—never again try using seeds from store bought tomatoes as just about every one of the small transplants have succumbed to disease and died off. Have bought a few various variety backup ones to be transplanted next week.
The peppers and cukes are slow but the recent rains picked them up just a bit and now sunny, warmer weather should give them another jolt. Cruddy N. Tx clay soil doesn’t help matters although I mulched it good over the winter and add in compost to the planting holes. Can’t blame ya one bit Greeneyes for doing the raised beds at your place.


29 posted on 05/16/2014 1:34:39 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: greeneyes

For 10 years I’ve stored some of my perennials in containers. This year, thanks to global warming, err, I mean climate chaos catastrophe disruption, a record cold spell killed everything. I’m just about starting from scratch this year. Any more of this global warming and I’m going to have to start raising reindeer.


30 posted on 05/16/2014 1:35:52 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: trisham

I have lots of seeds left too, but not corn seeds.


31 posted on 05/16/2014 1:36:26 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: KGeorge
There is something weird on the leaves of my Valley Cat tomatoes. It looks like the image (lighter than the leaf itself) of a long thin worm that’s kind of curling around.

Hope you get some good news in your mixed bag of Mia news. TAMU is supposed to be the best.

I think it is a leaf miner, and it only has a bottom jaw, so it makes those scrapy shapes. When I see those, I cut the leaf off, and dispose of it. I think they carry some kind of blight, so, they are little jerks.

I await the 411 on the no name tree place.

32 posted on 05/16/2014 1:36:39 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of course I didn't read the article. After all, this is Free Republic.)
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To: StarFan
Anyone try to regrow romaine lettuce?

Yep although the few I have tried that way never seem to take and die off. I don't notice much of a root system before transplanting but maybe I'm doing it wrong.

33 posted on 05/16/2014 1:37:54 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: greeneyes

I’ve never grown corn. It’s very large.


34 posted on 05/16/2014 1:38:41 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I used a sheet to make a shady roof over my tomatoes and that helped. Still, I didn’t get a lot of tomatoes till fall.


35 posted on 05/16/2014 1:39:01 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: tflabo

Yes, indeed the raised beds are a big improvement over clay soil which is abundant here.


36 posted on 05/16/2014 1:40:17 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

4.6 inches of rain last night, NoVa....


37 posted on 05/16/2014 1:41:16 PM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: KGeorge

The little green worms are probably small caterpillars. They drop out of the trees on a line of silk and will land on a leafy plant and cause the leaves to roll into a cigarette shape. I pulled a dozen off my hickory and pecan trees this week. I hate to do it but it looks as if I’ll need to spray.


38 posted on 05/16/2014 1:42:38 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: greeneyes; All

Lots of heavy rain all night ... 3-4” of rain in surrounding areas - I think we got an inch minimum. If it hadn’t stopped raining when it did, I was thinking the tomatoes would need water wings. All seeds have now sprouted in the garden .... progress!


39 posted on 05/16/2014 1:43:04 PM PDT by Qiviut (Obama: A Caesar at home & a Chamberlain abroad, dividing the country & uniting the world against us.)
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To: Organic Panic

We were so glad that we decided to plant dwarf trees. We were able to cover them and use a 100 watt light to prevent the frost from damaging the blossums this spring.

If things keep cooling we may have to build a green house around them.


40 posted on 05/16/2014 1:43:16 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: trisham

You might try the deck corn that Marcella is growing. It only takes a pot of 2 inch diameter for 9 seeds. They also make some dwarf varieties that you can put 4 seeds per sq. inch.


41 posted on 05/16/2014 1:46:31 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Bulwinkle

Good news. Rain is a real kick starter for gardens.


42 posted on 05/16/2014 1:47:40 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Here outside of Shitcago it was 80 degrees last Monday.

Today it SNOWED!


43 posted on 05/16/2014 1:48:38 PM PDT by Petruchio (Democrats are like Slinkies... Not good for anything, but it's fun pushing 'em down the stairs.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; who knows what evil?

The biggie problem with tomatoes and heat is night time temps. Once those go much about 72F you’re toast. I find that the cherry varieties tend to produce better mainly because they’ve got more blossoms open at once and stand a better chance of timing that pollination when the temp/humidity are favorable. Also the heat tolerant varieties tend to do better for a few more degrees of nighttime heat than the others.

YMMV.

Trinidad Scorpions are about twice as hot as ghosts on average. I’m pinging a pepper expert to this as well.


44 posted on 05/16/2014 1:50:19 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: greeneyes

I’ll think about that for next year. By then, my puppy will be older and I would be able to grow it in the yard. Right now, he’s digging everything up.


45 posted on 05/16/2014 1:51:27 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Qiviut
I was thinking the tomatoes would need water wings. All seeds have now sprouted in the garden .... progress!

But what about your cucuzza..Any news on those? Out of my 12 pots, I still only have the three up, and they are out in the yard now.

46 posted on 05/16/2014 1:56:13 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of course I didn't read the article. After all, this is Free Republic.)
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To: Black Agnes

We’re growing only the small tomato varieties. Last year, our big tomatoes didn’t do well (probably because of the heat.)

On another subject, I observed the first dead armadillo on the highway today. I thought the cold from last winter might have killed them off but no luck.

Time to get out the 2 X 6 boards and coon traps. A couple years ago, I nailed eight of these critters in one summer.

A Texas buddy remarked they are “good eating.” I don’t know if he was kidding but I’ll stick with more recognizable fare.


47 posted on 05/16/2014 1:56:56 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Armadillos carry tuberculosis IIRC. Be careful with the dead bodies.


48 posted on 05/16/2014 1:59:18 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Big gloves.
Into the trash bag.


49 posted on 05/16/2014 2:01:11 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: sockmonkey

Cucuzza = zero, zip, zilch, and nada. I have resisted the urge to uncover the most recent two and ‘peep’. Next year, I will buy different seeds, not this brand. Watch the darn things sprout around September .....


50 posted on 05/16/2014 2:06:33 PM PDT by Qiviut (Obama: A Caesar at home & a Chamberlain abroad, dividing the country & uniting the world against us.)
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