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Photoshop experts: Is this real? (DC-10 drop over San Marcos, CA Fire)
Facebook ^ | May 16, 2014 | Self

Posted on 05/16/2014 1:18:24 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy

Posted on a local Facebook page. The photo quality is poor. Is this photoshopped?


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Anybody have any thoughts?
1 posted on 05/16/2014 1:18:24 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

I want some Tang...


2 posted on 05/16/2014 1:19:41 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

It looks like a painting in the background and a photo in the foreground.


3 posted on 05/16/2014 1:20:33 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

I think you’re a delusional paranoid.

Who, out there, would fake something like this?

(Looks faked to me.)


4 posted on 05/16/2014 1:20:53 PM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

The lighting angles and shadows look correct, but the quality makes it hard to know for sure. If real, it’s a cool photo.


5 posted on 05/16/2014 1:21:17 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
If it's fake, search brings up thousands of them, so somebody must be doing a LOT of digital modifications:


6 posted on 05/16/2014 1:21:51 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
Untouched fire photo:


7 posted on 05/16/2014 1:21:52 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Probably real. There isn’t much reason to fake such a photo. It’s not like it’s a joke, or there is some political point to be made.


8 posted on 05/16/2014 1:22:04 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

The “Rainmaker” DC-10 is in action in the San Marcos fire.


9 posted on 05/16/2014 1:22:27 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

I think that’s Walter White’s house.


10 posted on 05/16/2014 1:23:02 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

Funny!


11 posted on 05/16/2014 1:23:24 PM PDT by OwenKellogg (Fundamental transformation leads to ... you don't want to go there, buddy.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Hope the owners of those houses had bug-out bags...because that sort of fire isn’t something you tend to survive by sheltering in place.


12 posted on 05/16/2014 1:23:33 PM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Found a clearer version....

13 posted on 05/16/2014 1:25:53 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (The bill was the subject of a truly awe-inspiring tsunami of poorly informed indignation. Rich Lowry)
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To: dead

LOL. I’ll steal that. Thank you.


14 posted on 05/16/2014 1:26:26 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: dead

Well, at least his coco is hot. LOL.


15 posted on 05/16/2014 1:27:27 PM PDT by Obadiah (Always remember that you're unique. Just like everyone else.)
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To: Dagnabitt
There isn't much reason to fake such a photo.

Vandals and idiots need no reason.

Still,the clear version I found looks legit.

16 posted on 05/16/2014 1:28:02 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (The bill was the subject of a truly awe-inspiring tsunami of poorly informed indignation. Rich Lowry)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
The DC-10 has been used as a tanker for several in fighting fires. Likely not shopped.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanker_910

Scroll down under "2014 Fires"

17 posted on 05/16/2014 1:28:37 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Looks real to me.


18 posted on 05/16/2014 1:29:40 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: IYAS9YAS

several in fighting fires = several years in fighting fires


19 posted on 05/16/2014 1:30:03 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Well, apparently they do come large...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzwS8Gv27J8


20 posted on 05/16/2014 1:30:20 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

https://www.google.com/#q=dc-10%20fire%20bomber


21 posted on 05/16/2014 1:30:30 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

I thought it was fake only because I’ve never seen them flying so close to homes before (and it looked fake), but the clear version does look legit.


22 posted on 05/16/2014 1:30:49 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
This looks like the source photo of the 10 Tanker, reversed and higher resolution.

Here's a resized comparison:



23 posted on 05/16/2014 1:30:54 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

seems a bit low.... but...


24 posted on 05/16/2014 1:31:08 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Flaps and ailerons in STOL configuration.


25 posted on 05/16/2014 1:31:08 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy; All

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/video/#!/news/local/Super-Tanker-Drops-Right-by-NBC-7-Camera/259327861


26 posted on 05/16/2014 1:31:29 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
Here's separate video of the same(?) plane dropping the faaaa-laming retardant:

http://www.break.com/video/news-team-gets-hit-with-payload-drop-2610430

27 posted on 05/16/2014 1:31:58 PM PDT by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

If you have Facebook check out this drop on the reporter/photographer.

lolz


28 posted on 05/16/2014 1:32:45 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Same tanker? (”Suppresses” a news photographer) Note the spotter plane leading the DC-10 in & popping smoke at the drop point: http://www.military.com/video/aircraft/military-aircraft/dc10-supertanker-soaks-cameraman/3569585196001/


29 posted on 05/16/2014 1:33:15 PM PDT by Drago
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To: Gen.Blather

That’s a 747. This pic is a DC-10. I saw them flying around here over the past few days. I wasn’t questioning the existed of the plane, just the authenticity of the pic. It was very distorted. I found a cleared version of the pic up thread.


30 posted on 05/16/2014 1:33:49 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (The bill was the subject of a truly awe-inspiring tsunami of poorly informed indignation. Rich Lowry)
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31 posted on 05/16/2014 1:34:25 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: GeronL

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152395684866068


32 posted on 05/16/2014 1:34:28 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy; All

New photo check page determines whether a photo has been altered or not.
“Computers have long made it possible to create highly realistic fake images. Now, thanks to Izitru — a new service launched by photo forensics firm Fourandsix — those very same computers can help us automatically detect those fakes. Izitru builds on the pioneering work that imaging guru Hany Farid has done in detecting phony photos. Unlike previous systems, Izitru is completely automated, relying on a set of six tests to help verify uploaded JPEG images...”
http://www.izitru.com/
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/182350-izitru-lets-you-check-whether-photos-are-real-or-fake-for-free


33 posted on 05/16/2014 1:34:51 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

While the chemical drop on flames looks real, I don’t know about the altitudeo or atitude of the plane. I think there’s a slight possibility that the plane was photographed in action and then photoshopped a bit too low over a residential area. I am not a pilot so I’m perfectly willing to be wrong - but the location of the plane flying so low over heated air would make it a bit hard to control (that’s why birds appear to dive bomb your car when you are on the freeway - they are flying along just fine until they fly over heated asphalt, the air is thinner and their altitude drops suddenly)
Maybe I’m just off in my depth perception - we can’t see much about the topography.


34 posted on 05/16/2014 1:35:16 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: IYAS9YAS
It's fake. Ask how Evergreen Avi who are bankrupt can fly this plane? Cal fire refused to use it last year.
35 posted on 05/16/2014 1:35:26 PM PDT by Domangart (LBGT = NAMBLA)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Does the retardant travel thought the air faster than the jet?? Looks fake to me


36 posted on 05/16/2014 1:37:14 PM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: Domangart

flame retardant dropped on reporter/photographer

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152395684866068

cool video.... I’m jealous, I have always wanted to bomb the media...


37 posted on 05/16/2014 1:37:23 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Drago

Great video. Thanks.


38 posted on 05/16/2014 1:38:26 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (The bill was the subject of a truly awe-inspiring tsunami of poorly informed indignation. Rich Lowry)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

“That’s a 747.”

Yes, I realize that’s a 747. My take was, is this even real? I’d have thought that jets would make poor firefighting vehicles. But I was wrong. (Apparently.) I just went looking for the biggest one. The photo did look like a very poorly done Photoshop. Even if it is, I have learned something new.


39 posted on 05/16/2014 1:39:30 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy; All
 photo FIRE_zps91178ed3.jpg

Looks good to me!

40 posted on 05/16/2014 1:40:50 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Gen.Blather

Got it. Thanks.


41 posted on 05/16/2014 1:41:24 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (The bill was the subject of a truly awe-inspiring tsunami of poorly informed indignation. Rich Lowry)
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To: IYAS9YAS

The DC-10 is real. It was used back in 2007.

http://telstarlogistics.typepad.com/telstarlogistics/2007/08/former-dc-10-ai.html

A 747 water bomber has also was tried in 2009.
http://telstarlogistics.typepad.com/telstarlogistics/2009/08/747-supertanker-makes-its-firefighting-debut-.html

If there was a fleet of 747s on standby they could stop the largest of fires in a hurry, but for some reason they don’t really seem to be interested in doing this.


42 posted on 05/16/2014 1:43:22 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: ransomnote
they are flying along just fine until they fly over heated asphalt, the air is thinner and their altitude drops suddenly)

Not quite LOL. Ask any sailplane pilot. The heated air rises as a thermal and the birds (depending on species) use it either to ascend or to not have to flap their wings as hard.

43 posted on 05/16/2014 1:43:40 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: Domangart
It's fake. Ask how Evergreen Avi who are bankrupt can fly this plane? Cal fire refused to use it last year.

Evergreen flew modified 747s (and before that strictly helicopters), not DC-10s. Read the wiki page I linked. The DC-10s are not owned by Evergreen. They are owned by 10 Tanker, LLC.

44 posted on 05/16/2014 1:43:48 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: IYAS9YAS
Funny enough, that photo is on the DC-10 owner's website: http://www.10tanker.com/stillsvideo.html

It's at the bottom.

45 posted on 05/16/2014 1:46:41 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: dead

Probably from a cell phone camera.


46 posted on 05/16/2014 1:52:14 PM PDT by CyberAnt (True the Vote: MY AMERICA, "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: Jack Hydrazine

747 probably unsafe to fly that low and wake turbulence may fan the flames.


47 posted on 05/16/2014 1:54:14 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
 photo REID-fire-bomber_zpse7fa63c3.jpg
48 posted on 05/16/2014 1:56:09 PM PDT by februus
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To: steve86

So they really are trying to kill us by driving their beaks through the windshield!

But heated air is less dense. It’s freaky how many times I’ve read the classic “Parakeet got out of his cage, flew around the room and landed in the fying pan that was in use.”
And the drop of birds over hot roadways.

I think sailplanes and these bird examples have some differences. I agree “hot air rises” but there’s the “and it’s less dense” problem.


49 posted on 05/16/2014 1:56:30 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
Looks real to me. The shadow cast by the wings and tail looks too real to be faked.

In any case, that's a ballsy maneuver!!!

50 posted on 05/16/2014 1:56:30 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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