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The Old Car Loophole When Will It Be Closed?
ericpetersautos.com ^ | 5-15-14 | Eric Peters

Posted on 05/17/2014 7:49:15 AM PDT by dynachrome

They haven’t – yet – succeeded in “controlling” guns. Taking them out of our control, that is. One reason for this is the ferocious pushback from gun owners, who are numerous and take the threat posed by even innocuous-seeming schemes such as “background checks” and bans of “high capacity” magazines (and so on) very seriously.dodge ad

It’s been the same – so far – with regard to their so-far-unsuccessful efforts to outlaw old cars. Or to enact legislation that would amount to the same thing via various end-runs.

It is still “legal” to own and operate a vehicle built without a catalytic converter, a computer, air bags, ABS and traction control - notwithstanding that according to current government regulatory standards such a car is “unsafe” (and also “emits excessive pollution”). But only because – historically speaking – there has been a large and very politically active old car hobbyist cohort. There is also SEMA – the Specialty Equipment Manufacturers Association - which is the old car/aftermarket car parts equivalent of the NRA. Whenever a Diane Feinstein type has reared its leathery neck to eruct a new law threatening old cars, SEMA – and the legions of old car hobbyists – have stomped it into the mud.

But, that rough equilibrium may be shifting. Because the old car hobby is graying. Check out who’s pictured in Hemmings Motor News articles, in magazines like Hot Rod and Car Craft. It’s the easy-fit jeans crowd. The young ones are in their 40s. The majority of them are Boomers – so, guys (and it’s almost always guys) deep into their 60s. Same demographic at car shows.

Viagra should look into the advertising/marketing opportunities.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Society
KEYWORDS: 1984; cars; government
Another way to control the sheeple. Old vehicles are harder to track. Pretty long article. Would not surprise me if this happens in Kali-fornia and New York to start with
1 posted on 05/17/2014 7:49:15 AM PDT by dynachrome
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To: dynachrome

They’d really like another cash for clunkers. Enforced this time around. This may be why:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-16/where-worlds-unsold-cars-go-die


2 posted on 05/17/2014 7:52:27 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: dynachrome

These may be the only cars that will continue to function after an EMP.


3 posted on 05/17/2014 7:58:38 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: dynachrome

The push to raise tax revenue through ‘miles driven’ is the way the Tyrants will do it. Just like the truck drivers are forced to have GPS to track these miles, so it will go for passenger cars. Those who don’t comply due to having an older car will have to get a new one or ride the bus. And why is this happening? The corruption is rampant with waste, misuse and misappropriation. Michigan collects millions and millions of gas taxes each year, but none of it is earmarked to be spent on the roads by law & design. So, where do you think it goes? The roads were in better shape when we spent 50 cents a gallon.


4 posted on 05/17/2014 8:01:54 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

Where does it go?

Like Marion Barry. Crack and hookers. Lots of crack and hookers.


5 posted on 05/17/2014 8:03:12 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: dynachrome; Black Agnes
Yeah. And there is such a shortage of new cars too!
6 posted on 05/17/2014 8:09:33 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: Black Agnes

Oops. Beat me to it.


7 posted on 05/17/2014 8:10:24 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: null and void

GMTA.


8 posted on 05/17/2014 8:11:02 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: dynachrome

They will do what they have done for years in Japan. The older the car gets the higher the taxes to operate it get. That influences people to constantly buy new cars and keep the car manufacturers happy.


9 posted on 05/17/2014 8:17:32 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: dynachrome

I lived in Japan for a few years. There, your car is subject to inspection for safety and appearance (no dents, broken glass, etc) and the inspection is quite expensive. For cars under 10 years of age, it is once every two years. For cars older than 10 years, the inspection is required annually. The inspection costs drive buyers into newer cars and keeps older and unsafe vehicles off the highways. Not saying it is a good idea, but watch for it in the US... A sneaky way to support the auto industry...


10 posted on 05/17/2014 8:26:45 AM PDT by Temujinshordes
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To: dynachrome
And of course in reality who will suffer the most from eliminating older cars? The persons which that is all they can afford. Cash for Clunkers was a sinful waste of many times good cars with perhaps over 100K miles life left in them which lower income persons like myself buy.

Cash for clunkers happened about the time we needed to buy another USED van. I had to look for over a month in four different counties to find one.

My newest vehicle is a 98 Dodge 2500 High Top Conversion van. Now is it my first choice of a vehicle? No. But necessity dictates we have to have one. It can accommodate a 350 lb hydraulic wheelchair lift and haul a motorized wheelchair. The high top gives needed clearance so my wife doesn't hit her head on the ceiling. The only other options are very expensive. Either a used transport bus used by agencies or a mini van with the floorboard lowered. The mini van will not make it up our driveway so that would mean having to sell our home and move. No thanks, it's paid for.

Our government overlord Idiots believe We The People are too stupid to purchase a vehicle based on our own needs and taste. They'll pry my 95 F-100 from my cold dead hands because I'm not giving it up either.

11 posted on 05/17/2014 8:38:37 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: USNBandit

“They will do what they have done for years in Japan. The older the car gets the higher the taxes to operate it get. That influences people to constantly buy new cars and keep the car manufacturers happy.”

In Singapore, once a car reaches ten years old it can no longer be driven there. So, what does the owner do? He drives across the bridge to Malaysia and sells it. Just a side note, the number of pre-catalytic cars is very small and diminishing every day. Those that become collector cars aren’t driven very much. In fact, the more one of these cars is worth the less it’s driven. So, their contribution to air pollution is “fly shit in pepper” as we say here in Texas :)


12 posted on 05/17/2014 8:42:41 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Black Agnes
Interesting link. That is the natural end-product of Keynesian economics.

That idiot co-worker of mine who suggested years ago that the best way to guarantee perpetual prosperity is to manufacture millions of cars and launch the unsold ones into the sun may have been onto something after all.

13 posted on 05/17/2014 8:45:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: cva66snipe

It’s also Agenda 21. Make it too expensive for poor people to drive their own vehicles. It would eliminate rural poor altogether.


14 posted on 05/17/2014 8:48:24 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

My God, what a waste of resources.

How the hell can companies write all that off?


15 posted on 05/17/2014 8:52:47 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: dynachrome
Because the old car hobby is graying.

This is unfortunate but true. I was instantly drawn to hotrods and performance cars as a kid and have pursued it as a hobby all my life. I'm going to a swap meet later today where I'm sure I'll find the median age at about 53.

I'm reluctant to make blanket statements so let me just say that all of my efforts to entice kids into the hobby have fallen on deaf ears. They just don't have any interest. So many kids these days see cars only for their utility value - they don't appreciate technology (unless it is built-in electronics) or performance (although I'll admit that a lot of cars these days are pretty peppy).

Customizing cars seems limited to putting in bigger speakers and an amplifier. Taking a torch to one seems like a lost art these days.

*Sigh* - another facet of Americana being polished off in favor of shapeless, flavorless, boring blobs.

16 posted on 05/17/2014 8:52:49 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: headstamp 2

Where do you think the stimulus passed in this and other countries went wrt automobile manufacturers?

This sort of picture is why we ended up with cash for clunkers early in Obama’s first term.


17 posted on 05/17/2014 8:54:24 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: dynachrome

Liberals are fascists.


18 posted on 05/17/2014 8:59:45 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: dynachrome

“Would not surprise me if this happens in Kali-fornia”

They are doing it with car smog check laws for cars made after 1975. Getting harder every year for the older cars to pass emissions. For those cars made in and before 1975 they are exempt so far. That is the reason I bought my 1965 Buick Skylark. No smog checks.


19 posted on 05/17/2014 9:14:07 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: rockrr
Cars being built today aren't suitable for customizing. I turned 16 in 1973. Guys in high school were driving 55 Chevy's old 50's model trucks, 60's Chevy's Fords, etc. Most of the guys did their own customizing and own mechanical work.

Today to get a car a 16 year old could work on you would have to go back into the 1980's and cars being built then were mainly junk. The cars we drove you could sit on the hood. Today's cars it would cause several thousand dollars damage LOL.

The thing is todays cars are not built for the average shade tree mechanic to work on. My ex-father in law is a retired mechanic. He mainly worked on diesel engines but could fix any of the older engines from old VW bugs to a Detroit 671. He takes his car to the shop. In 1976 I had a new F-100. I could fix anything on it. Tune ups were easy you just climbed under the hood and sat down on the wheel well. Last year I changed out the plug wires and plugs on my 95 F-100 w/302 and I was cussing. I had to stand on a step ladder bending down into the engine to reach parts I could not even see.

Yesterday I was at my cousins house and his 97 Toyota 4Runner needed a new water pump. I never saw such a mess in my life. The older cars you could fix on the side of the road in a few hours. Todays cars a sensor located in some obscure place will leave you sitting and only a garage with a diagnostics system can determine which one is bad. The Crank Positioning Sensor is notorious for this. With breaker points you had some warning. I've had at least 3 tow bills because of that one issue.

My dream car fix up I never got to do. I bought my sisters 65 Mercury Comet. I had every intention of putting a 302 in it :>} But at the time there were kids to raise and bills to pay. But I did have a 71 Torino with a 302 stock. My youngest daughter needed a car so it got traded off. There was no way I was turning her loose with that LOL.

20 posted on 05/17/2014 9:24:11 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Black Agnes
It’s also Agenda 21. Make it too expensive for poor people to drive their own vehicles. It would eliminate rural poor altogether.

I'll buy a darn mule if I have too LOL.

21 posted on 05/17/2014 9:31:48 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

Makes travel to/from hospital kind of iffy.

Rural hospital access will suffer next.


22 posted on 05/17/2014 9:33:23 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

There’s one about 12-15 minutes from me now. It’s in an area built up so it will stay open. But Yea outlying areas will suffer and already are.


23 posted on 05/17/2014 9:42:15 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Black Agnes
The longer I have lived, the more convinced I am that feminism is true Hate Group.

“Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.” – Catherine Comins

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“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” — Andrea Dworkin

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We constantly see female politicians pushing their "solutions" which in reality are nothing more than an attack on masculinity, men, and boys.

Ban guns. Ban classic cars. Ban male sexuality. Ban contact sports.

You won't see Diane Feinstein or Barbara Boxer running to the Senate floor to denounce and propose a ban on hair relaxers and skin lighteners marketed to, and used on, black women because those products are highly toxic and bad for the environment (which the both happen to be).

No, they want to ban classic cars now.

I am not a psychiatrist, but I do know what the Bible says about the soul and heart of us humans. And I would wager that the root of feminist hatred is really a hatred towards the ultimate in "patriarchy" - God Himself.


24 posted on 05/17/2014 9:42:19 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: dynachrome

I am totally dependent on my older vehicles. If the government tries to take them away they will become flying projectiles aimed at whomever.


25 posted on 05/17/2014 9:48:00 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: Black Agnes

Might benefit manufacturers of cheap offbrand sneakers, but no one’s got money for new cars anymore.


26 posted on 05/17/2014 10:08:29 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: dynachrome

They’ll take my old clunker from my cold dead hands.


27 posted on 05/17/2014 10:23:50 AM PDT by Know et al (No one has ever choked to death on a raw oyster.)
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To: steve86
If the government tries to take them away they will become flying projectiles aimed at whomever.

Can you imagine a front line of 100 '86 F-350 4WDs fully equipped with battering rams? Would make the Bundy supporters look like pea shooters.

28 posted on 05/17/2014 10:50:14 AM PDT by steve86
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To: dynachrome

“The once-common bonding ritual of a dad showing his son how to do a brake job – and the son eventually graduating from that to more complex jobs – has been set asunder.”

Not true in my house, but yes, that is the general case now. The high school that I went to deleted their auto shop, as EVERYONE going to that school should go to college instead. I assume they never checked, as most of us in those auto classes actually made it to college (me included).

The idea that today’s cars are harder to work on is debatable, when you have a computer pointing to your problems...and when much of the car is still unchanged (i.e., brake pads, suspension, etc.).

What the article implies, but doesn’t state clearly, is just how much these old cars pollute - a minimum of 10 times of more modern cars, and more like 100 times that of new cars. You better believe that they’re in the cross hairs. Sad...but if Amnesty passes, the Dems will then have the votes they need to prevail on this.


29 posted on 05/17/2014 11:27:31 AM PDT by BobL
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To: null and void
Yeah. And there is such a shortage of new cars too!

It won't matter... With Barky Care, once Barky's illegal changes expire, insurance rates will be such that people simply won't have any disposable income with which to make payments on a used car, let alone being able to save enough to pay in cash.

Mark

30 posted on 05/17/2014 11:53:05 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: dynachrome

EFI and electronic ignition are good improvements on an old timer, a converter isn’t a bad thing either.

ABS and all the other computer controlled crap is just that...needless, problematic CRAP.

It’s an invitation to score an older vehicle of your liking and give it all the sensible upgrades made possible in the past couple of decades.

A modern pickup chassis with all the foolishness removed, but retaining modern brakes, engine control and steering makes a great platform for a vintage truck or car.

The smaller pickups can become a fine street or retro-rod.

Ska-rew TPMS, ABS etc.


31 posted on 05/17/2014 12:03:25 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: cva66snipe

That ‘97 4-Runner needing a water pump would be a piece of cake next to some of the newer ones.


32 posted on 05/17/2014 3:40:36 PM PDT by oldtech
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To: oldtech

Have a 73 Duster in the garage with a 318 and every factory option except a sunroof. Have a 340 in the shed that I could assemble some-day, waiting.......

Anyone interested?


33 posted on 05/17/2014 5:00:12 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (The zombies here elected alcee hastings. TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: Black Agnes
Where does it go?

Like Marion Barry. Crack and hookers. Lots of crack and hookers.

The rest gets wasted.

34 posted on 05/19/2014 6:31:07 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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