Skip to comments.Debate between Plant based and Paleo Diets
Posted on 05/17/2014 10:49:04 AM PDT by RichardMoore
Debate between plant based diet and Paleo diet.
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Who is Colin Campbell? Wasn’t this just recently debunked?
I’ve been eating this way for years. A Whole food plant based diet has been shown to be the best thing for human beings.
I’ve known dedicated vegetarians who are quite capable of making delicious meals while avoiding animal products entirely, but even they admit that it is very hard work and that getting the correct proteins, amino acids, etc. into their diet is a challenge in the absence of meat.
I’ve benefitted from greatly reducing carbs and favoring animal fat over vegetable oils. Everything in moderation. Anyone who absolutely insists that this or that diet is the only correct way to go for everybody is trying to sell something.
Are you trying to sell something?
And where do you get your B vitamins?
Plants are fine. Grains will kill you.
I would prefer paleo, but Campbell looks great for an 80 year old man. Personally, I would rather die younger than go vegetarian.
Plants are arguing with animals????? How rude of them
Since humans are OMNIVORES you are clueless. Even God himself allows for the eating of animal flesh.
Enjoy your NY life style
Look lets keep in simple..
There are herbivores, carnivores and omnivores..
What have humans be for most of thier history that man has been a “man”?
Hint..Your don’t need weapon to hunt and kill a plant, you don’t need fire to cook a plant, and you don’t need sharp stone knives to skin a plant to wear it as clothing..
Meat eating goes hand in hand with going from a grazing animal, to a weapon caring, fire making, tool using, clothing wearing, man..
It just works out that way
If we had all stay herbivores, we could of all stayed naked, sitting in a tree, eating a banana, and flinging our poop and each other
You know, I’ve tried many different diets since I turned about 40 and I’ve had plenty of health problem over the last few years. So when my wife’s dr asked her to read DR Neal Barnard’s Reversing Diabetes. She lost 35 lbs and is off her meds. I’ve been eating this way for a while and i like it. I tried Atkins just before this and got sick of eating that way. I realize that most people will be resistant to this idea because of cultural programing. But too much protein is what is making us fat and sick. I’ve been around for 65 years now and I am appalled at the number of fat people I see walking around who are still quite young. Calorie dense foods are killing us. Animal products make you acidic. It may take decades to kick in but it will make you sick and kill you.
I remember back when the did not let plants debate.
we are omnivores....we developed our large brains through high protein diets...we foraged for vegetables and killed or stole meat(from carnivores).
grain in great quantities like we eat today is not natural...we still have not changed through evolution enough to eat all the grain and gluten we consume...
I’ve done both ways of eating... Was on a fat-free vegan diet for a long time. Health benefits I saw right away... my vision improved, no longer needed the reading glasses I just purchased.
However... in November I started eating a Paleo diet... full swing to the other side. Still eat tons of veggies.. but eat grass fed meat as well, and limited dairy ie grass fed heavy cream and butter. Lost the extra weight I couldnt’ shake from practicing a fat-free vegan diet.. and feel great. No sugar ups and downs at all...
Not sure which is better... it’s probably an individual metabolic issue. Either diet will want you to stay away from processed foods and sugars... which is the stuff that kills you earlier than later.
He’s not advocating a vegetarian diet. It is a Whole food plant based diet. Do you want to live to eat or live to eat? Just how sick do you want to be when you are 60 years old? Keep eating the typical American Diet and you will lucky to escape chronic illness after 55.
If we had all stay herbivores, we could of all stayed naked, sitting in a tree, eating a banana, and flinging our poop at each other...
(Hmmm...That sound a lot like a 60s hippie love in, an Occupy Wall Street demonstration, or a some Democrat Conventions)
We should probably eat less meat, but not eating any meat is not happening
How about cheese?
I love cheese. Losing weight will be hard for me, I love bread too.
If I could get the same satisfaction by eating roots it might be possible.
We’re not talking about eating roots. Potatoes, rice pasta bean soup, bread, kale, spinach, etc. On this diet you can eat as mch as you want. Check out forksoverknives.com
And none of what you said is at all anything other than blah blah blah...I tried something and it works for me.
Humans are OMNIVORES. Moderation in all things. You do not describe your diet prior. As far as I can tell you are pushing your version of the local fad. Jim cixx would agree with you I am sure.....but he can’t
And I am older than you (and I have a long lived family history) and am in great health. Be appalled all you want. The majority of those fatties are not doing anything other than eating a ton of grains and cheeses and nonsense food.
Potatoes are great, they can give me that “full” feeling I need
What’s your fasting insulin level? Postprandial insulin level?
To answer your question, the guy claims that dairy, cheese and OLIVE OIL are bad for you. Just eat carbs!
That's right. He's advocating a VEGAN diet.
I wonder how many insulin resistant people would be pushed into full-blown diabetes by eating nothing but carbs, including rice and potatoes.
I don’t think I could survive without olive and coconut oil ;)
Read “Death by Food Pyramid” by Denise Minger. The Food pyramid was set up by the USDA with grains taking up the largest part more because it was less costly and thus wouldn’t wreck the food stamp program. The food pyramid nutritional value didn’t concern the USDA in the least.
I agree, I love them both!
There are plenty of carnivores and herbivores on the planet that don’t use fire, clothing, and tools. We have much more the digestive system of a carnivore or omnivore than of an herbivore.
Humans should eat lots of veggies, meat when they can get it, and fruit in season. But grains and legumes were/are mostly poisonous and indigestible without (relatively speaking) modern processing and some people’s metabolism cannot run on them well. Some get quite sick. Pockets of genetic groups (asians/middle east) may do better with grains but they are killing the rest.
We seem to be able to get meat pretty regularly these days.
I’d be interested to hear your answer to FofF’s B12 question.
Cows eat plants, I eat cows!!
“But too much protein is what is making us fat and sick. Ive been around for 65 years now”
I’m 76, been eating meat potatoes and gravy all my life and weigh the same and can still wear the suit I graduated from high school in and don’t get sick and have never had the flu!
If I ate all that white garbage--bread, potatoes, rice, pasta, beans--my blood sugar would zoom over 200 and I'd be diabetic like millions of other Americans. It's only by giving up all the processed grains and high-glycemic sugary things like potatoes and rice that my blood sugar has come down into a nice stable healthy range.
For the past thirty years the government has been telling Americans to eat as you do, and now we have an epidemic of people who eat that stuff but can't lose weight or lower their blood sugar and blood pressure no matter how hard they exercise. I'm sincerely glad your diet works for you, but for millions, it's been a recipe for disaster. We are all different, so one thing rarely works for everyone.
I am reading this article while eating some veggies next to my honey glazed chicken.
It's a moot point for me, I'm missing the enzymes needed to digest plant proteins. But I wanted to see if it was possible for other people.
Choline deficiency effects the brain. Take that however you want to :)
I believe it’s “affects” the brain ..hope you are doing well. Take that how ever you want to, too. ;)
From the tiny bugs in the flour, just like the Bishnoi, silly...
Agree with everything you say, except for one small point.
Beans shouldn’t be lumped with bread, potatoes, rice, and pasta. Beans are a good source of protein and don’t spike blood sugar the way the others do, unless of course they’re baked beans with added sugar, or something like that.
My mom was diabetic. I still have an ADA book which describes the benefits of beans for diabetics. Any blood sugar increases are minimized even more by the addition of a protein to the beans (which you probably already know).
If I followed a diet like that, I’d be overweight, tired all the time and unable to do the work I do-that is way too many carbs for me, and not nearly enough protein.
Like most people brought up in the country, I come from a family that gets food from a home garden, free range chickens and grass fed livestock. Sugar and processed grain was considered unhealthy and not on the menu except for maybe holidays, and potatoes don’t grow well here-but there was plenty of fresh corn and winter squash, and brown rice from the grocery store for carbs that have not had their nutrients removed by processing.
Being overweight is rare in my family-it doesn’t happen with family members who don’t eat processed junk and don’t stop working.
I live in the country and still eat that way-no processed food, very few carbs, just grass fed meat, fresh eggs, home grown veggies and some fresh fruit, cheese and yogurt-locally produced, if I can get it. I bake whole grain bread to barter in the winter, and keep a small amount to eat-the only store-bought grain product I eat is an Atkins, special K or granola bar if I’m hiking at lunchtime.
I’m over 60, I weigh what I did at 17, 108-110, and I’m 5’9”. I have a physical job, and I go hiking in the woods here several times a week. I do not use drugs of any kind to this day, and will not do so-living into the 90’s to 100 is not uncommon in the family, so apparently some of us are better off without that stuff.
One size does not fit all-if what you are doing works for you, that is great-but we are not all the same.
Pinto beans cooked with beer, cilantro, onions and spices-and maybe a few cubes of ham or some bacon-are a favorite meal of mine when it is too cold or rainy to grill some meat, and I’ve been working in the cold all day. I don’t eat that food in warm weather, though...
That sounds delicious....very similar to the way I cook beans.
Thanks-my health conscious mom and aunts were into making weather-appropriate evening meals-salads with raw greens and other veggies and some grilled chicken, beef, etc in summer to keep cool, beans, stews, soups, or roasted meat and steamed veggies, and home made corn tortillas, cornbread, or whole grain bread in winter, to warm up.
That way of preparing meals was intended for those who do ranch/farm work dawn to dusk, but it is fine for anyone who works outdoors...
There is NO place on Earth where people could live JUST on locally grown fruits and veggies.
Meanwhile, the early Eskimos demonstrated that you CAN survive just fine on a meat/fish diet.
Humans evolved as omnivores. We need a mix of fruits, veggies, and meat in order to have a balanced, healthy diet. With my wife's experiences on her paleo diet, we seem to do better when we reduce the amount of grain we eat. Eating processed grains is something we've adopted relatively recently, and the main advantage of grains were that they could be stored for long periods (a very useful trait in regions which have cold winters).