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[Vanity] Things We Said Today (Beatles)
2014-05-17 20:50 US/Central | Nobody but me

Posted on 05/17/2014 7:05:45 PM PDT by re_nortex

If you search my posting history, you'll find that I never really got acclimated to the rock music of the 50s, 60s and beyond. My tastes still remain rooted in Southern Gospel (The Kingsmen, Happy Goodmans, Florida Boys and such) and traditional country (Roy Acuff, Webb Pierce, Kitty Wells and the like).

Today while heading back from errands, my car radio happened to scan onto a station playing a song I had never heard before, "Things We Said Today" by the Beatles.


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KEYWORDS: beatles; guitar; lennon; mccartney; minor; music; rock
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I've never been a fan of the Beatles although, of course, I recognize that they had an enormous impact on the culture, a lot of it very negative IMHO. That said, I was admittedly intrigued by this particular song. It's probably familiar to most coming across this thread but I had never been exposed to it until just an hour or so ago.

It's in a minor key and somewhat dark and brooding but has, at least to my ears, a good, tight harmony presumably with Paul McCartney and John Lennon. It may be among the very songs from the rock genre that captured my ears and I find appealing. So, FReepers (a reliable font of wisdom), what's the real backstory on "Things We Said Today"? I'd really hate to think it came from a drug induced state since it seems like a interesting and catchy tune yet melancholy.

1 posted on 05/17/2014 7:05:45 PM PDT by re_nortex
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To: Liberty Valance; Spktyr; dfwgator

Ping to the “musical youth” who might be able to share their insight on this tune, an oldie to you but a new discovery to me.


2 posted on 05/17/2014 7:07:29 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d-Z7vakj4s


3 posted on 05/17/2014 7:10:31 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Anybody

Things We Said Today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev_XPaakW9Y


4 posted on 05/17/2014 7:12:35 PM PDT by deks (Sent from my BlackBerry Q10)
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To: re_nortex

1964 ... don’t think it came from a drug induced state

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlYsjCNOfIk


5 posted on 05/17/2014 7:12:49 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: re_nortex

Some good info here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Things_We_Said_Today


6 posted on 05/17/2014 7:13:36 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: re_nortex

Beatles 60’s pop music. Nothing sinister.

You say you will love me
If I have to go
You’ll be thinking of me
Somehow I will know

Someday when I’m lonely
Wishing you weren’t so far away
Then I will remember
Things we said today

You say you’ll be mine, girl
‘Til the end of time
These days such a kind girl
Seems so hard to find

Someday when we’re dreaming
Deep in love, not a lot to say
Then we will remember
Things we said today

Me, I’m just the lucky kind
Love to hear you say that love is love
And though we may be blind
Love is here to stay and that’s enough

To make you mine, girl
Be the only one
Love me all the time, girl
We’ll go on and on

Some day when we’re dreaming
Deep in love, not a lot to say
Then we will remember
Things we said today

Me, I’m just the lucky kind
Love to hear you say that love is love
And though we may be blind
Love is here to stay and that’s enough

To make you mine, girl
Be the only one
Love me all the time, girl
We’ll go on and on

Some day when we’re dreaming
Deep in love, not a lot to say
Then we will remember
Things we said today

Songwriters
LENNON, JOHN / MCCARTNEY, PAUL

Published by
Lyrics © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC

Read more: Beatles - Things We Said Today Lyrics | MetroLyrics


7 posted on 05/17/2014 7:14:58 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Support Free Republic!!!)
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To: re_nortex

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8 posted on 05/17/2014 7:16:31 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: ansel12
Thanks for the link, ansel12. I remember when the Beatles came blasting onto the scene not long after the JFK assassination. Like many of that era, I thought most of their music of that time was just a lot of loud, abrasive noise. This one does strike me as different. Maybe I've mellowed in my dotage or perhaps this song is a cut above. The first comment in the YouTube link is interesting:

I know most of the obvious Beatles songs but this beats the lot! Glad I found it. As fossie32 says - some tremendous key changes in there.

So I take it this wasn't among their hit records?

9 posted on 05/17/2014 7:16:53 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex

In before “The Beatles were Overrated.”


10 posted on 05/17/2014 7:19:44 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: re_nortex

It was big enough, the Beatles sang a lot of romantic and upbeat songs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Things_We_Said_Today


11 posted on 05/17/2014 7:20:17 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: re_nortex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PdVqWuqUsI


12 posted on 05/17/2014 7:21:04 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: re_nortex

Early Beatles were probably more influenced by the Everly Brothers than anything.


13 posted on 05/17/2014 7:21:43 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: re_nortex

Nice vocal harmony leading into the chorus. Otherwise not a super interesting song in my opinion.

Best minor key Beatles dirge is probably the radio classic While My Guitar Gently Weeps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3RYvO2X0Oo


14 posted on 05/17/2014 7:21:54 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

But I think if you match it up with anything else out there in 64, it’s pretty out there.


15 posted on 05/17/2014 7:22:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Yardstick

Eleanor Rigby was in a minor key.


16 posted on 05/17/2014 7:24:23 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Good point — probably so.


17 posted on 05/17/2014 7:24:47 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: re_nortex
backstory on "Things We Said Today"?

Something sordid no doubt -- it is the Beatles after all.

18 posted on 05/17/2014 7:27:13 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: dfwgator
Appreciate the info. Although I generally avoid Wikipedia (some evil people are behind it from what I gather here on Free Republic), for something innocuous like this, it's probably a valid source of information. That article has this quote from Paul McCartney:

It was a slightly nostalgic thing already, a future nostalgia. We’ll remember the things we said today, sometime in the future, so the song projects itself into the future.

And that's likely what made this song intriguing to me. It caught me as being lyrically deeper than the bubblegum pop of much of the rock music of that era. Or to sum it up succinctly, like the article says, "reverse nostalgia".

19 posted on 05/17/2014 7:27:15 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: BenLurkin

I wonder what it says if you play it backwards.


20 posted on 05/17/2014 7:28:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

The minor feel and thrummy spaghetti western guitar are reminding me of Yardbirds’ Heart Full of Soul (1965):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXKE13PZz6c


21 posted on 05/17/2014 7:28:32 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: dfwgator

“I exhumed Paul”


22 posted on 05/17/2014 7:30:08 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Yardstick

Actually it sounds a lot like The Hollies “Bus Stop.”


23 posted on 05/17/2014 7:30:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Yardstick

Check out this version from Chris Isaak:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr8CRgMSACs


24 posted on 05/17/2014 7:36:37 PM PDT by Benito Cereno
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To: windcliff

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25 posted on 05/17/2014 7:45:27 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: BenLurkin
Well, I'm pretty much of a square (fuddy-duddy, old fogey, straight laced and so on) so the lifestyles of those in the rock music camp has always been questionable to me. I do give Ted Nugent a pass since he's a Patriot, never did drugs and is pro-God, pro-gun, pro-military and pro-Palin.

With that glimpse into my background, you may find this amusing. Long, long ago, during one of the Southern Gospel quartet conventions in Nashville's old Municipal Auditorium (where the Dixie Flyers hockey team used to play), I had to chance to visit one of the singing group's tour bus parked outside. While on the tour bus, imagine how shocked I was to see the Sgt.Pepper (Beatles) tape in the 8-track player. I was so naive that I thought the only music a gospel group would listen to would be others in that genre. :)

26 posted on 05/17/2014 7:45:51 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: Benito Cereno

Cool. I hadn’t heard that one before. Maybe a little too smooth compared the original (my picky tastes speaking here). Find myself missing the jagged fuzz guitar lead on the original. Also not totally digging the gated reverb on the snare. But still cool. Chris Isaak’s next album was a total killer.


27 posted on 05/17/2014 7:50:30 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: dfwgator

You’re right, very similar in their vibe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It75wQ0JypA


28 posted on 05/17/2014 7:53:55 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: re_nortex

29 posted on 05/17/2014 8:09:09 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Yoko looks good there. Maybe I’m losing my mind.


30 posted on 05/17/2014 8:18:04 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: re_nortex
"...an oldie to you but a new discovery to me."

It's very good. Of their early work i'd call it outstanding.

31 posted on 05/17/2014 8:33:53 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: MUDDOG

You’re not losing your mind...she does look fetching there.


32 posted on 05/17/2014 8:38:11 PM PDT by Married with Children
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To: Married with Children

Thanks! Glad it wasn’t just me.


33 posted on 05/17/2014 8:40:49 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: dfwgator

On the other hand, by even late ‘60s standards it’s less than thrilling. Guess it depends on the framework you choose to judge it by.


34 posted on 05/17/2014 8:52:29 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: re_nortex

The allure of the Beatles will always be that they were part of the Baby Boom culture, a demographic of young people that wanted to change the world.

The drugs, cigarettes, alcohol were all backdrop to the culture of the time. The Beatles were not leaders of it although in their effort to imprint a unique art stamp to pop music history they used it to explore new boundaries of musical art.

They were foolish, immature, lovable, funny and naughty. They were like the boys next door except they were extremely talented and handsome to the young girls of the era.

Some of their songs showed a wisdom and maturity well beyond their years and makes one wonder if George Martin had a guiding hand in it. John Lennon’s “In My Life” has been rated as one of the top 3 most beautiful songs ever written and it is hard to imagine the wisdom of the lyrics coming from a 24 year old.

They were used by the progressive left as icons of anti-establishment anti-capitalism but they themselves put the leftists in their place; just listen to the lyrics of “Revolution” and you can imagine conservatives saying “Damn straight John!”.

So they were a bit of an enigma but they mostly stuck to love songs and ballads.

John in his last years is said by many close to him to have come to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It’s so sad we weren’t able to see him fully grow up into a real great man.


35 posted on 05/17/2014 9:21:10 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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So they were a bit of an enigma but they mostly stuck to love songs and ballads.

Very interesting and I think quite perceptive. It's odd that the Beatles never made much of an impression on me when all four were alive. And now, half a century after the British Invasion, a chance stumbling across "Things We Said Today" on the radio is piquing my interest in their music. Sure, Southern Gospel remains my musical genre of choice but I'm not quite as dismissive of the Beatles as I once was based upon my reaction to the song and the fascinating comments in this thread. I now almost wish I would have given them a fair hearing way back then.

36 posted on 05/17/2014 9:29:09 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex

You’re not alone in missing them at the time and in fact it’s better to discover them now with all the politics of the era removed. It’s incredible to witness the youtube comments by young teenagers today who are absolutely enamored with them and their music. Even my 7 year old says “everyone loves the Beatles” and I can’t argue with that too much.


37 posted on 05/17/2014 9:47:16 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: re_nortex
Thanks for bringing this up...I haven't heard the song in years and it is a great tune with the key changes. I just ripped it from YouTube (MediaHuman YouTube to MP3) and added to my limited Beatle's collection.

From Wikipedia:

"McCartney wrote the song in May 1964 while cruising the Caribbean aboard a yacht called Happy Days with his then-girlfriend Jane Asher. Music critic Ian MacDonald said, "The sombre lyric—provoked by the frustrating interruptions of a relationship between two career people—matches the lowering gloom of the music."

"Things We Said Today" has a reverse nostalgia premise. McCartney said, "I wrote this on acoustic. It was a slightly nostalgic thing already, a future nostalgia. We’ll remember the things we said today, sometime in the future, so the song projects itself into the future."


38 posted on 05/17/2014 9:54:58 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
McCartney wrote the song in May 1964 while cruising the Caribbean aboard a yacht called Happy Days...

Derailing my own thread, when I read that line about where Paul McCartney was located, I flashed back to Gary Hart's infamous yacht, Monkey Business. I'm glad you happened by this thread and that you enjoyed recalling "Things We Said Today". Realizing the song was from 1964, but totally new to me, it's taken 50 years off my age and I feel like I'm a spry 23 again! :)

Ain't Free Republic a great place.

39 posted on 05/17/2014 10:13:17 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex

I was 14 when the Beatles made their debut in New York. I always liked their work, and I thought their earlier music was best. I can remember being stationed at Pearl Harbor in 1970 when they broke up, and there was a lot of upset Beatle fans then.


40 posted on 05/17/2014 10:17:23 PM PDT by longhorn too
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To: re_nortex

FR indeed is a grand place. OT, but here are some interesting trailways that occurred over the last 45 minutes starting with your thread here.

1. In #21, Yardstick wrote “The minor feel and thrummy spaghetti western guitar are reminding me of Yardbirds’ Heart Full of Soul (1965).” Haven’t heard that in years, either, so listened to that on YouTube.
2. While listening up to Heart Full of Soul, I began reading up on the Yardbirds (one of my favorite bands as I was starting high school) and suddenly remembered the band had Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, and Eric Clapton in it during my high school years.
3. Then listened to Yardbirds cover of “I’m a Man,” a song written and recorded by Bo Diddley in 1955. That got me to wondering why the lyrics and sound by the Yardbirds were so different from what was recorded by The Spencer Davis Group in 1967.
4. So I listened to “I’m a Man” by The Spencer Davis Group (what a great opening to the song!) and Wikipedia then reminded me that Chicago Transit Authority did a cover of it on their debut album in 1969 (I’m a high school senior now) which I really enjoyed, so I listened to that. Reading up on CTA, I had forgotten that the bluesy guitar playing of Terry Kath is what infused the group with such a signature jazz/blues sound that I loved.
5. Chicago’s Kath accidentally killed himself in 1978, one week short of his 32nd birthday.
6. Kath’s widow, Camelia Emily Ortiz, was married to actor Kiefer Sutherland from 1987 to 1990.
7. Finally, last week I started watching the new “24” series “Live Another Day” starring none other than Kiefer Sutherland.

So my musical journey tonight started with your post and brings me directly to 24 on my Tivo tonight!


41 posted on 05/17/2014 10:37:27 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: re_nortex
So I take it this wasn't among their hit records?

In the summer of 1964, it got a lot of airplay on KRLA, one of Southern California's two AM rock blasters, and it probably got played a lot on KFWB, its rival, which I didn't listen to as much. However, I don't think the recording was released as a single, because it didn't chart.

42 posted on 05/17/2014 11:05:28 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: dfwgator
Early Beatles were probably more influenced by the Everly Brothers than anything.

In the Beatles Song "Let'em In", the verse - "Sister Suzie, Brother John, Martin Luther, Phil and Don, Brother Michael, Auntie Gin Open the door, let 'em in... - refers to Phil and Don Everly who were guests of Paul McCartney when the song was written.

43 posted on 05/17/2014 11:43:38 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Now that you mentioned Terry Kath accidentally killing himself when he was around 32 years old in 1978, that’s eerie! The one-time lead singer of The Yardbirds-Keith Relf, was also accidentally killed by electric shock while trying out some new music at his home!

Apparently his guitar amp. was not grounded right, and it electrocuted him. He too, was in his early 30’s and it happened a few years earlier than the fellow you wrote about in your post! The Yardbirds had disbanded several years before, of course, and Jimmy Page started up Led Zeppelin right after.

Keith Relf had formed/helped form a number of short-lived groups between that time. One (Renaissance) included the Yardbirds’ drummer, Jim McCarty and Keith’s sister Jane. They were starting a new group with a few others when the accident happened.

The Yardbirds, incidentally, formed a new version of the old group. It’s still called “The Yardbirds”, and had two of the original members (Jim McCarty and Chris Dreja, who learned how to play bass from J. Page when he joined) and a few younger fellows who joined up over the years since they reformed, and they still tour for nostalgia-type concert shows. They still do some of their classics and have done a few new ones they’ve written and recorded!


44 posted on 05/18/2014 2:21:59 AM PDT by dsutah
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To: re_nortex

I wasn’t yet born when The Beatles first became popular. My earliest musical memories are fairly saturated with their music, though. It’s difficult to dislike them and I don’t, but I’ve heard nearly all of it so many times. There’s very little from any of their albums that I couldn’t identify from the first few chords. My parents listened to The Beatles.

So, I’m coming at it from a different perspective. I’d have to say, of the earlier Beatles tunes, the simpler, sweeter more lyrically straightforward songs, “In My Life” has to be the most beautiful and affecting.

http://youtu.be/lN4BqEvb18M


45 posted on 05/18/2014 3:06:10 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: re_nortex

The Beatles were brilliant composers.
If you want to listen to a 2 1/2 minute song played on for 3 or 4 hours.

Gets old quick.


46 posted on 05/18/2014 3:12:36 AM PDT by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: re_nortex

I like the early Beatles the best.


47 posted on 05/18/2014 4:10:59 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: dfwgator

>>>I wonder what it says if you play it backwards.<<<

The things we said yesterday . . .


48 posted on 05/18/2014 7:35:20 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: re_nortex

In his last tour Paul McCartney included “The Night Before” and “Drive my car” in the line up.

It was great.


49 posted on 05/19/2014 8:19:09 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Democrats have destroyed more cities than Godzilla)
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To: fella

George Harrison believed in reincarnation . . . I understand he came back as a beetle.


50 posted on 05/19/2014 6:17:15 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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