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China considers building a rail link to America: 8,000-mile journey would take less than 2 days
Daily Mail ^ | 05/17/2014 | Wills Robinson

Posted on 05/17/2014 7:14:49 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

China is considering building an 8,000-mile high-speed rail link to America that would take less than two days to travel.

Travelling at around 217mph, the train would leave the north east of the country, run through Siberia and enter a 125-mile tunnel under the Bering Strait, the shortest crossing between Russia and Alaska.

It would then resurface and head south through Canada, before reaching its destination in the US.

It is unclear whether the American, Canadian or Russian governments have agreed to the proposals.

But engineers claim it would provide a viable alternative to air travel, according to China Daily.

If completed, it would be 2,300 miles longer than the Trans-Siberian Railway, making it the longest train route in the world.

The underwater passage would also be four times the length of the Channel Tunnel, which connects France and the United Kingdom.

Even though the plans haven not been finalised, it is believed the project would be developed and financed by the Chinese, who have become global leaders in high-speed rail travel.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Travel; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: alaska; beringstrait; canada; china; contiguous48; raillink; russia; siberia

1 posted on 05/17/2014 7:14:49 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

FEATURES:

* Route would begin in north east China and run through part of Siberia

* Would then use 125-mile tunnel to travel under the Bering Strait

* It would resurface in Alaska, head across Canada and finish in the US

* Would be 2,300 miles longer than the Trans-Siberian Railway


2 posted on 05/17/2014 7:15:53 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"217mph"

Unlikely to be achieved.

3 posted on 05/17/2014 7:16:18 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

And this makes sense how?


4 posted on 05/17/2014 7:16:32 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: SeekAndFind

Environmentalists are likely to rail about it.


5 posted on 05/17/2014 7:17:46 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: SeekAndFind

Willie Green’s Wet Dream.


6 posted on 05/17/2014 7:18:52 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

Leavin’ on that midnight train to China.


7 posted on 05/17/2014 7:19:15 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: SeekAndFind

Talk about back to the future...


8 posted on 05/17/2014 7:20:27 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This would cross through the tectonic plates that make up the earthquake-prone “Ring of Fire”, correct?

I’m not a geologist or a civil engineer - is there anyone here with the actual credentials to say whether or not this would be a irresponsible design risk?


9 posted on 05/17/2014 7:20:34 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Kackikat

It would only make sense for transporting goods. It is far more efficient to send things by rail than truck or train.


10 posted on 05/17/2014 7:22:14 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Yossarian

Sure would. There are still plenty of hot springs in the Bering Land Bridge area, which indicates hot magma underneath. That would be a nightmare of a way to die, with your tunnel boring machine breaking into a magma chamber.


11 posted on 05/17/2014 7:25:19 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: SeekAndFind
In 2011, a $65billion tunnel between Siberia and Alaska was given the go-ahead in an effort to bridge the Bering Strait.

I didn't hear about that one.

12 posted on 05/17/2014 7:25:30 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: SeekAndFind

An earthquake in the Bering Strait, part of the Pacific Rim “Ring of Fire” could be awfully messy.


13 posted on 05/17/2014 7:26:14 PM PDT by upchuck (Support ABLE, the Anybody But Lindsey Effort. Yes, we are the ABLE!!)
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To: Olog-hai
Sure would. There are still plenty of hot springs in the Bering Land Bridge area, which indicates hot magma underneath. That would be a nightmare of a way to die, with your tunnel boring machine breaking into a magma chamber.


14 posted on 05/17/2014 7:26:18 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

After the earthquake when water shoots out of both ends of the tunnel, who will obama blame?


15 posted on 05/17/2014 7:27:59 PM PDT by Octar
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To: SeekAndFind

Might make sense, might not. But, this is the kind of big thinking we used to do when we were a great nation.


16 posted on 05/17/2014 7:29:21 PM PDT by keat
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To: SeekAndFind
I was once on the BART in San Francisco. Under the bay, the lights flickered and the train began to slow. You could see fear on the faces of virtually everyone. A little while later, people began to show signs of panic.

Fortunately, everything turned out all right.

But an tremor or earthquake thousands of feet under the Pacific Ocean could kill a whole bunch of people. Or, what if there is a catastrophic health problem such as am heart attack or stroke under down there? On a train, you can get emergency medevac. Be no such thing in the Pacific Ocean.
17 posted on 05/17/2014 7:31:04 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeahh right. Even if it were buildable, what train could sustain an average speed of over 167 mph for two days? (167 mph = average speed achieved when traveling 8,000 miles in 48 hours.)


18 posted on 05/17/2014 7:31:07 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: SeekAndFind

obama has already referenced this project as a Transcontinental Ballistic Railway...


19 posted on 05/17/2014 7:33:52 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: SeekAndFind

Orient Express II.


20 posted on 05/17/2014 7:36:54 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Jonty30
It is far more efficient to send things by rail

Actually shipping by sea is the cheapest by far. For passenger travel, air beats this idea hands down.

China is trying to leverage its experience with high-speed rail. They have had a high accident rate, however.

This proposal is up there with detecting pings from MH370 with a handheld device when they hear that the Aussies picked up signals. It is the tragicomic incompetence of totalitarian governments.

21 posted on 05/17/2014 7:37:24 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Jonty30

At the rate the US is going, no one is going to be buying much anymore.... unless our government decides to create jobs and repair the economy.


22 posted on 05/17/2014 7:37:43 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: keat

I think that a Dam such as Hoover Dam probably could not be built in this century America due to environmental protests, permits, bureaucratic processes and cost over runs.


23 posted on 05/17/2014 7:38:17 PM PDT by Redcitizen (When a zombie apocalypse starts, Chuck Norris doesn't try to survive. The zombies do.)
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To: Kennard

Even shipping by river remains cheaper than rail on land. Prices of goods went up thanks to Mississippi River shipping being curtailed thanks to low water levels.


24 posted on 05/17/2014 7:40:48 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: SeekAndFind

A Communist train into the heart of America will not end well.


25 posted on 05/17/2014 7:46:44 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Olog-hai

I get a near great-circle-route path from northeast China to Denver at under 6000 miles, using Google Earth. Not saying that makes it a realistic idea.


26 posted on 05/17/2014 7:50:39 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Paladin2

217mph? On all my train travels on China Rail High-speed, the intercity trains regularly cruise at 307-315kmh which is pretty close to 217mph. Their rail system is 100 years more advanced than anything we have in the USA. It’s new, it runs on elevated tracks and we could never afford to do it here. Nevertheless, it couldn’t compete tine wise/price wise with the current nonstop air.service between all the China-US city-pairs.


27 posted on 05/17/2014 7:51:58 PM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: Octar

Bush, no doubt.


28 posted on 05/17/2014 8:08:24 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: SeekAndFind
i think Russia and Canada might have a thing or two to say about that, NO being one of them...
29 posted on 05/17/2014 8:09:26 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Procyon; Paladin2
Yup, China already has thousands of miles of legit 200+ high speed rail. The tunnel might be an issue, but not the speed.
30 posted on 05/17/2014 8:10:07 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Yossarian
There is the Seikan Tunnel which links Hokkaido and Honshu Islands in Japan. It leaves Aomori on Honshu and resurfaces in Hokkaido, just south of the City of Hakodate. The underwater portion of the tunnel is 14.5 miles and there are two stations in this portion which serve as emergency exit points.

The tunnel was opened in 1988 and has withstood repeated earthquakes, including the big one in 2011. The underwater stations have never been used except during a brief period during the five year process of tunnel construction when they were site seeing destinations with a museum on each side of the tunnel.

So the answer is, yes, if it is possible here, it would be theoretically possible in a much less active earthquake zone of the Bering Straight.

Economics, of course, is still another matter. While moving a freight ton by rail is far more efficient than moving it by truck, it is still nowhere near as efficient as moving it by ocean vessel.

For example, my total cost per freight ton moved from Japan to a rail container yard in the Pittsburgh area is virtually the same whether I import from the west coast or the Port of New York.

To put it in perspective, the freight on the 2500 miles of rail travel from the Port of Tacoma to Pittsburgh is very nearly equal all of the extra ocean mileage from Tacoma, though the Panama Canal to New York plus the 400 or so miles of rail travel from New York to Pittsburgh.

31 posted on 05/17/2014 8:13:54 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Wouldn’t they need Americas permission for that?


32 posted on 05/17/2014 8:16:27 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Jonty30

I am almost certain that it is even more efficient to send things by Shipping Containers on ships. I highly doubt that rail can be anywhere near as efficient regardless of the route or the destination.


33 posted on 05/17/2014 8:24:45 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Yossarian
As an added note, if the Bering Straight adheres to the Japanese standards of safety in the Seikan Tunnel, it would require an emergency exit about every seven miles or 19 stations total. The water surface area of these platforms is pretty basic-- a platform slightly larger than an ocean oil rig with railing and a command tower with an elevator and spiral staircase down to the underwater station.

In an earthquake style emergency of the magnitude even to require the use of these emergency exits, there is probably at least a 50-50 chance that the power supply necessary to run the elevator would be interrupted.

And if the train had to halt mid tunnel, then it would be necessary to schlep up to 3.5 miles to even get to the nearest exit point.

Not a nice situation to contemplate even with Japanese, let alone Chinese safety standards.

34 posted on 05/17/2014 8:27:23 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: GeronL

Permission would be the least of their worries. All they would have to say is “What would happen if we decided to sit out your next T-Bill auction?”


35 posted on 05/17/2014 8:28:39 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just hire some Mexicans and tell them to dig straight down.


36 posted on 05/17/2014 8:30:01 PM PDT by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just as Reagan destroyed the USSR by getting them into an arms race, China’s trying to destroy us by getting us into a high-speed rail race. And the liberals are falling for it.


37 posted on 05/17/2014 8:32:17 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: SeekAndFind

I read that Russia and America wanted to build a highway/railroad bridge between the Bering Strait back in 1995 or so. The state of Alaska would build the Alaska Railroad from Fairbanks to Nome and it would connect with the Trans-Siberian Railroad.


38 posted on 05/17/2014 8:36:22 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Procyon
Freight is a different animal from passenger.

Cheapest freight is water transport.

Best passenger transport is Air - not much infrastructure costs and high speed.

39 posted on 05/17/2014 8:47:59 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Yossarian

There are many thousands of miles of train tracks all around the “ring of fire”. The plate boundary between the North American plate and the Eurasian plate is well within Siberia; far from the tunnel location.


40 posted on 05/17/2014 9:15:26 PM PDT by eclecticEel ("The petty man forsakes what lies within his power and longs for what lies with Heaven." - Xunzi)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Yes but ships can’t stop in Chicago, where gangbangers can be tipped off about the good loads, especially AR15s.


41 posted on 05/17/2014 9:24:35 PM PDT by bakeneko
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To: Redcitizen

“I think that a Dam such as Hoover Dam probably could not be built in this century America due to environmental protests, permits, bureaucratic processes and cost over runs.”

Oh yeah.
The West would not have be settled either for the same reasons.


42 posted on 05/17/2014 9:26:15 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

China has a long-term plan to build high speed rail from
Beijing to Singapore (about 3,000 miles) and has started low-speed freight service to Hamburg (the train travels about 6,000 miles in 15 days).

It used to be the British who built railroads in their colonies. Now China is taking their railroad building experience overseas. Their latest deal is to build a railroad between Mombasa and Nairobi.
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-166618/kenya-signs-sh314-billion-railway-deal-china


43 posted on 05/17/2014 11:00:03 PM PDT by Qout
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To: SeekAndFind

Chinese strategic planning. They’ll need a reliable transportation link to their North American colonies.


44 posted on 05/18/2014 2:44:02 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: SeekAndFind

After we give China a couple of our western state, they will need a way to mobilize to those new regions of their country.


45 posted on 05/18/2014 3:08:24 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: SeekAndFind

Good way to convey troops.


46 posted on 05/18/2014 3:17:09 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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Montage of scenes previewing show “It couldn’t be done.” Band 5th Dimension aboard a boat singing song If I had a Hammer.
Location: United States
Date: 1970
Duration: 2 min 8 sec
Sound: Yes
http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675023493_It-couldnt-be-done_Television-program_Lee-Marvin_5th-Dimension_Hoover-Dam

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47 posted on 07/04/2014 2:48:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Yossarian
I know nothing about engineering. I'll add my question to the ones you had:

Could the drilling involved trigger volcanoes and earthquakes?

48 posted on 07/04/2014 2:56:23 PM PDT by grania
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