Skip to comments.How many planes in a modern USAF "wing"? Original Syria strike was to include two B-52 wings
Posted on 05/18/2014 3:50:01 PM PDT by gaijin
Seymour Hersh first exposed the My Lai Massacre and kicked off the hubbub regarding Abu Ghraib. He is now writing a history on the W.O.T.
How many bombers are typically in a "wing" of B-52's...? Is the proper number SIXTY, or is it less?
I think Hersh is describing a once-planned bombing mission of ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY B-52's, ordered by a NOBEL PEACE PRIZE WINNER...?
I must be mistaken...?
As Mr. Hersh wrote at the London Review of Books:
In the aftermath of the 21 August attack Obama ordered the Pentagon to draw up targets for bombing. Early in the process, the former intelligence official said, the White House rejected 35 target sets provided by the joint chiefs of staff as being insufficiently painful to the Assad regime. The original targets included only military sites and nothing by way of civilian infrastructure. Under White House pressure, the US attack plan evolved into a monster strike: two wings of B-52 bombers were shifted to airbases close to Syria, and navy submarines and ships equipped with Tomahawk missiles were deployed. Every day the target list was getting longer, the former intelligence official told me. The Pentagon planners said we cant use only Tomahawks to strike at Syrias missile sites because their warheads are buried too far below ground, so the two B-52 air wings with two-thousand pound bombs were assigned to the mission. Then well need standby search-and-rescue teams to recover downed pilots and drones for target selection. It became huge. The new target list was meant to completely eradicate any military capabilities Assad had, the former intelligence official said. The core targets included electric power grids, oil and gas depots, all known logistic and weapons depots, all known command and control facilities, and all known military and intelligence buildings.
(Excerpt) Read more at lrb.co.uk ...
I STRONGLY think all Benghazi freeps need to read the info at the above source link, as there are many other details regarding what was going on at Bengazi.
According to wikipedia, we only have 85 B-52s in active service.
Back when I was a SAC trained killer we had about 12 to 16 in a wing if my memory is correct. About six on or in the alert area an six or so on the flight line and hangers etc ....Kincheloe AFB back in early 70’s...
Sounds MUCH more plausible, thank you..!!
Back when I was a SAC trained killer we had about 12 to 16 in a wing if my memory is correct.
I'll confirm. We had 15 or so.
I'll confirm. We had 15 or so.
And, a bit of clarification...in SAC, Bomb Wings had a split of Bombers and Tankers. We had ~15 B-52Gs and ~15 KC-135As.
Obama is a blood thirsty evil demon. those in Congress, the police, the courts, the press and the military that protect him are even worse.
Same here. We had half and half B-52As and KC-135A and later KC-135Q refueling aircraft. The “Q” had separate tanks and could refuel the SR-71.
"The standard strike formation for the Arc Light B-52s was the three-ship 'cell.' The attack could be either by a single cell or multiple cells...Air support kept Khe Sanh alive and eventually broke the siege. On an average day, 350 tactical fighters and 60 B-52s pounded the enemy."
Well back in the day a standard size USAF fighter squadron would have about 24 fighter planes. The "peace dividend" at the end of the cold war shrunk them down to 18 fighters. A fighter wing in the day with 2 squadrons would be around 44 to 48 fighters and 3 Sq. wing could have about 72. However, some A-10 wings like at RAF Woodridge/Bentwaters had over 100 assigned. Then came those composite wings and I forgot how many those had. ;^) These days, it's probably 12 and kite. ;-)
Original Syria strike was to include two B-52 wings,
Probably about 2 to 6 and a kite. ;^) Heh.
Is this not the strike that John Kerry described to Congress as "unbelievably small", a mere "pinprick"?
One wonders why the CIC seems prepared to obliterate Assad's regime, but has been reluctant to use force against other Muslim regimes.
“Under White House pressure, the US attack plan evolved into a monster strike: two wings of B-52 bombers were shifted to airbases close to Syria, and navy submarines and ships equipped with Tomahawk missiles were deployed.””
And Putin was willing to engage U.S. Forces with a thin line of warships, to stop Obama from attacking yet another country.
I would have LOVED to have been a fly-on-the-wall when that aide rushed in to the situation room, with the NSA-intercepted message that Putin was about to go to war over Syria. You KNOW the narcissist did not take that well, hence the US-financed Ukraine Civil War now.
Remember how all the Democrat wonks went on TV afterwards to say, “Well, there are OTHER ways to get at Putin!!’
Now we know what they meant.
Agree totally. This is actually big news.
When a Nobel Peace Price winner orders a bombing strike of 30 B-25's IT IS A PIN-PRICK...?
B-52’s, not B-25’s, sorry.
Barry (takes toke): “Yeah, Tomahawks... Oh, and B52s!” Takes another toke. “No... TWO WINGS of B52s dude!”
Aide (takes toke) “No way!”
Barry: “And civilian targets too. That’ll be heavy man. I’ll show them!”
Anyone who knows how stoned teen agers behave knows everything about how the Obama adminstration creates and implements policies.
The USAF has only two active wings of B-52s - 2nd Bomber Wing at Barksdale and 5th Bomber Wing at Minot.
Yes, I remember about 15 on average, commanded by a Full Colonel.
Absolute rubbish...there are 76 B-52s remaining in the USAF inventory, divided between Minot and Barksdale. For argument’s sake, let’s say they allocated four squadrons to the mission, a total of 48 aircraft. And this deployment went undetected?
For starters, there’s the monumental job of getting more than 40 heavy bombers from bases in Louisiana and North Dakota, to installations in western Europe. As I recall, there are only two bases in that part of the world that have handled B-52s during recent contingency operations, RAF Fairford in the UK, and Moron AB in Spain. Yet, we supposedly sent dozens of heavy bombers to those installations and no one noticed.
Then, there’s the critical element of tanker support. The deployment of all those bombers would be accompanied by an even larger contingent of KC-135s and KC-10s, to refuel the B-52s pre and post-strike (as required) and provide tanking support for other aircraft, such as fighter aircraft, ECM platforms, AWACS, Rivet Joint, Compass Call, etc. Never heard anything about a large-scale tanker deployment, or the move of additional ISR, ECM and battle management platforms to the theater. Strike two, Mr. Hersh.
Additionally, if you’re dispatching large numbers of aircraft to overseas bases, you’ll need hundreds, even thousands of support personnel. That means Air Mobility Command (AMC) would have been awfully busy, along with various civilian contract carriers. And once they arrive, they’ve got to have some place to eat, sleep, bathe, etc. Didn’t see a report about tent cities going up at Moron or Fairford, or a sudden influx of airmen who tied up all available hotel rooms for miles around those bases.
Finally, the B-52s primary weapon (these days) is as a stand-off cruise missile platform. Syria has the relatively advanced SA-17 surface-to-air missile and rest assured, the USAF is not going to send B-52s into that type of threat environment. And in a stand-off role, there is only a limited amount of damage the Buffs could inflict against buried and hardened targets. Neutralizing the AD environment would take a level of effort Barry O wasn’t prepared to authorize. The same holds true for the B-52 deployment.
Hersh has been resting on his laurels for years. This claim is laughable and easily disprovable.
I'm going to guess that there are only about 100 Buffs H models in the active inventory...
Time to go looky look. :-0) ...
Even less than 100, and according GlobalSecurity.org, we have 76 Buffs in service:
"... To address this issue, the Air Force will add five additional B-52 attrition reserve aircraft, bringing the B-52 total from 71 to 76 for a total bomber force of 190. The B-52 fleet will remain the same with 44 combat-coded aircraft. ...."
Only 44 "combat-coded" ?
A wing is just a composition of two or more squadrons. How many aircraft in a squadron can vary from a few to a few dozen in each squadron.
Seymour Hersh has been trying to find another “My Lai” for the last 40 years. And so far hasn’t found anything new that could be proved true. His last big claim (aka fiasco) had to do with a bogus US special forces used nerve gas in Laos—that was a dozen or so years ago. He is a ‘has been.’
I hope somebody pointed out to Obama that the Russians have supplied their very latest anti-aircraft systems. The Israelis send in their bombs(I forget what they’re called) by launching them 70-100 miles away. They then glide in. That way they don’t trigger the anti-air systems because they’re launching from Lebanese airspace.
I don’t know if they’re still on station but at one point Syrian air defense was directed from Russian ships. To get in you’d probably have to take out the ships which has its own dangers. (But he has more flexibility now...)
Likewise, in the 1980s, a squadron was generally 12 or 13 jets, one of which was in Phase for major routine maintenance.
1-2 squadrons in a Wing, so, tops, 48 bombers. . .
And here I had an old fashion and impressive bombing dancing in my mind of a fly-over-the-target, Arc Light, Linebacker mission dropping big ole iron bombs on jihad Johnny heads or likely boy Assad's noggin.
Hey I know, first attrit those bad Syrian SAMs with good old fashion SEAD missions with some AGM-88 action. We still have that capability or has OButt given that up for Lent?
I recall, there are only two bases in that part of the world that have handled B-52s during recent contingency operations, RAF Fairford in the UK, and Moron AB in Spain. Yet, we supposedly sent dozens of heavy bombers to those installations and no one noticed.
Right, true only 2 Spook.
Hersh has been resting on his laurels for years. This claim is laughable and easily disprovable.
We can dream. LoL.
I read that as the deployment was planned and not that it actually took place.
True, but that sort of deployment (and the required preparations) don’t take in absolute secrecy, particularly if you’re trying to send a message. In fact, some of the preparations are deliberately publicized, to convince your adversary to change course. Think of all the deployments and preceding actions that were front page news during Desert Storm, Kosovo and Enduring Freedom/Allied Freedom. None of that transpired for Syria...Obama was completely unserious about going after Assad and our lack of activity underscored his cowardice.
He often spends months or years nailing down the whole story. And, he knows everybody.
He'll drink whiskey with them 'til they tell the whole truth.
In the olden days it was three squadrons of 12.
About double for fighter wings.
Or so I've heard:)
Active Duty ping.
I notice that none of this was for Iran which is trying to create nuclear weapons which they have promised to kill millions and millions of people.
I'm sure it wasn't all of them, a couple of wings now days is about 24 bombers.
Many of the Buffs have to remain at home to fulfill their Nuclear Triad responsibilities. They are the only Bomber is US inventory that still carries nukes.
Likely, if Obama was serious (is that even possible?) there were another couple of wings of B1B's standing by, raring to go.
Nearly twice the conventional load of a B52, faster and better able to defeat air defense.
If I was going to wreak havoc, I'd employ a couple-three wings of B1B.
what airbases close to Syria? Israel would not be a party to such an occurrence (though if the target was Natanz they would be much more gracious hosts - as gracious as Israelis can be anyway..)
You can't Win the Future with BS.
Was there ever a recent massive B-52 attack on Syria I missed somehow?
What is this thread talking about?
It is impossible.
The USAF no longer flies B-25s...
Read post 14.
“what airbases close to Syria?”
Incirlik and Izmir, Turkey
RAF Akrotiri on Cypress
Cypress = Cyprus
can these fields even deal with a buff? putting aside the diplomatic cover that would need to accompany this.
oh that’s right. he’s a liar.
I thought there was a wing at Grand Forks, too.
I forgot about Romania, as well...
if we duke them some cash ..
Just a reminder, folks....
We had A LOT of aircraft in the region at that time, mostly Navy.
Add in the ground-based stuff from Incirlik, Izmir, Akrotiri, Aviano, and Romania.
Buffs/B1’s could launch easily from Diego Garcia, or have we forgotten that??
Times of Israel article from 8/31/2013 describing U.S. Navy movements at the time:
WHO LAUNCHES WHAT
Five US Navy destroyers the USS Gravely, USS Mahan, USS Barry, the USS Stout and USS Ramage are in the eastern Mediterranean Sea waiting for the order to launch. And the USS San Antonio, an amphibious assault ship has now joined them. The USS San Antonio, which is carrying helicopters and Marines, has no cruise missiles, so it is not expected to participate in the attack. Instead, the ships long-planned transit across the Mediterranean was interrupted so that it could remain in the area to help if needed.
The destroyers are armed with dozens of Tomahawk cruise missiles, which have a range of about 1,000 nautical miles and are used for deep, precise targeting. Each one is about 20 feet long and less than two feet in diameter and carries a 1,000 pound warhead.
The missiles fly at low altitudes, and their range allows the ships to sit far off the coast, out of range of any potential response by the Syrian government. Some ships have cameras that can provide battle damage assessments.
The Navy also now has two aircraft carriers in the Arabian Sea that are loaded with fighter jets. The USS Truman arrived in the region to take the place of the USS Nimitz, which was supposed to head home. But the Navy ordered the Nimitz to stay for now.
Not for a long time. They fly global drones out of there now.
You are correct. I recall seeing the BUFFs on the runways out there, but I guess that just shows how old I’m getting...
So how does one get the attention of obama and it's ilk and minions?
This is how the Iranians got Congress, Kerry, the Generals, and the illegal alien terrorist in the oval office to show their true colors and back down on Syria.
As Congress debates whether to support President Obamas call for a limited strike against Syria for the alleged use of chemical weapons, Iran is vowing to back Bashar al-Assads regime to the hilt and threatening to unleash terrorism should the U.S. strike.
Qassem Soleimani, the head of Irans Quds Forces, Wednesday told the Assembly of Experts the body that chooses the supreme leader that [w]e will support Syria to the end.
And in an unprecedented statement, a former Iranian official has warned of mass abductions and brutal killings of American citizens around the world and the rape and killing of one of Obamas daughters should the United States attack Syria.
Alireza Forghani, the former governor of southern Irans Kish Province, threw down the gauntlet last week. Forghani is an analyst and strategy specialist in the supreme leaders camp and closely aligned with Mehdi Taeb, who heads the regimes Ammar Strategic Base, a radical think thank, and thus speaks with the blessing of the Islamic regime.
Hopefully Obama will be pigheaded enough to attack Syria, and then we will see the loss of U.S. interests [through terrorist attacks], he threatened. In just 21 hours [after the attack on Syria], a family member of every U.S. minister [department secretary], U.S. ambassadors, U.S. military commanders around the world will be abducted. And then 18 hours later, videos of their amputation will be spread [around the world].
A similar act was committed in a video of the torture of William Buckley, a CIA station chief who was abducted in Beirut in 1984 and later killed by Hezbollah on Irans order. That video was dropped off at the U.S. Embassy in Athens. Former CIA Director William Casey later described what he saw in the video: They had done more than ruin his body. His eyes made it clear his mind had been played with. It was horrific, medieval and barbarous.
In addition, Forghani warned, We should remind Obama that if you are a bastard, there are other bastards all around the world who can assault Sasha. The statement is written in both English and Farsi, but in the Farsi version, Forghani clearly stated that Sasha will be raped by someone who has been able to get close to the Obama family.
Obama will attack Syria and then youll go to hell, and the worlds public opinion will accept that you deserve to be attacked and assaulted, so please attack, Forghani concluded.
Forghanis threats last Wednesday were further emphasized by the chief commander of Irans Revolutionary Guards, Mohammad Ali Jafari, who on the same day told the regimes Fars News Agency that Americas vision in its ability for a limited strike in Syria is an illusion. The reactions will be beyond Syrias borders [and] those who participate with America in this matter will soon witness threats on their national security.
Taeb, the head of the Ammar Strategic Base, had previously stated that, Syria is the 35th province [of Iran] and a strategic province for us if we lose Syria, we wont be able to hold Tehran.
Regime officials, including Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, have made it clear on many occasions that Assads regime is their red line and that any attack on Syria will have grave consequences for Israel and America.
Obama has stated that he is determined to punish Assad for the alleged recent chemical attack on his own people that killed more than 1,400 civilians, hundreds of them children.
Read more at the source:
Editors note: Sasha Obama is the younger daughter of U.S. president Barack Obama. Her formal name is Natasha, but she is most often called by her nickname, Sasha. She was born in 2001 to Obama and his wife, Michelle Obama, who were married in 1992. Sasha Obama has one older sister, Malia, who was born in 1998. Both girls attended the private University of Chicago Laboratory Schools in Chicago until January of 2009, when they began attending Sidwell Friends School in Washington, D.C. Sasha Obama entered the fourth grade in 2010. Her father became president on 20 January 2009, and in 2012 he was re-elected for a second four-year term as president. She will be 15 years old at the end of Barack Obama's second term in 2017.
I relayed your question ot the Pastor, he replied by saying this: "Under Assad Christians were treated no differently than any other group, under other muslim led governments they are treated much more harshly. The same with Libya."
Undeniably, that is one point of distinction in Assad's favor (or disfavor, as viewed by the Obama regime).
Obama is a demon, the religon of the demons is islam.