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The evolution of 007's handguns throughout the novels
www.tjbd.co.uk ^ | May 20, 2014 by Emery Cormier

Posted on 05/20/2014 4:15:53 AM PDT by Perdogg

Since the beginning, Fleming took great care in describing every detail of James Bond, and 007 greatly reflected his own image. However many people find that his choice of firearm, the 418 Beretta, was a poor one.

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1 posted on 05/20/2014 4:15:53 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD; GSP.FAN; Young Werther; Guenevere; SJSAMPLE; Larry Lucido; fieldmarshaldj; ...

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2 posted on 05/20/2014 4:16:30 AM PDT by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: Perdogg

A paragraph and a half after writing, “Fleming’s handgun knowledge wasn’t great,” the author displays a picture of a Walther PP and captions it, “Walther PPK.”


3 posted on 05/20/2014 4:21:41 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

The difference is the barrel length. The PPK stands for “politzei pistole kriminalmodell” or police pistol, detective model. The shorter barrel was supposed to aid in concealability.

CC


4 posted on 05/20/2014 4:35:52 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Perdogg; All
pictures needed. thanks.
gun porn needed. ;-)

5 posted on 05/20/2014 4:39:46 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? :-)
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To: Joe 6-pack

““Fleming’s handgun knowledge wasn’t great”
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SO WHAT? James, James Bond remains my all time favorite.
Who cares about the details of his gun? It is all fiction, but great fiction.


6 posted on 05/20/2014 4:44:09 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: Perdogg

Bond needed to stick with Glocks.


7 posted on 05/20/2014 4:44:12 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Celtic Conservative
not just the barrel, the PPK holds one less round and doesn't have a full metal backstrap/frame the PP does
8 posted on 05/20/2014 5:06:00 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Perdogg

Bond’s first gun was described as a Beretta .25 automatic with a “taped magazine & sawn barrel”, which was the Beretta model 418.

Geoffrey Boothroyd called it a “lady’s gun” & persuaded Fleming to equip his hero with the Walther PPK. The first edition of the “Doctor No” book jacket depicts the user’s manual takedown image of the PPK.


9 posted on 05/20/2014 5:06:13 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Chode

Thanks for adding to my knowledge base. I wouldn’t mind owning one, but I’ve found the price prohibitive. I currently have a Taurus pt 740 which is roughly comparable to te PPK in dimensions, weight and capacity, but at a third of the price.

CC


10 posted on 05/20/2014 5:13:26 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Lazamataz

I bought a Walther PPK for my wife (I have wanted one since I was a kid). Looks great, easy to clean but it does jam quite often. I would never have one as my weapon of choice. Glock, Sig or a S&W.


11 posted on 05/20/2014 5:21:45 AM PDT by Bucky14 (And I would have gotten away with it too, if not for you meddling kids!)
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To: Bucky14

Yup. If you are going to have one gun, make sure it is super reliable.


12 posted on 05/20/2014 5:23:16 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz
Agree with you on the Glock.

I did pick a up a mouse gun similar to this in the mid 80's on a whim. Easy carry backup in an ankle holster.

Beretta Bobcat in .22LR


13 posted on 05/20/2014 5:24:09 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Bucky14

I use a Walther PK380. Wonderful pistol, fits my hand like a glove. Carry it loaded with hollow points so I am sure that, if needed, it will do the job.


14 posted on 05/20/2014 5:25:26 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Lazamataz
Bond should carry the G26, small but comes with a strong punch.
15 posted on 05/20/2014 5:32:31 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Lazamataz

It would make an unsightly bulge in his tuxedo.


16 posted on 05/20/2014 5:48:06 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Perdogg

I had a PPK/S, which I believe was the American made version. Very cool gun in style and function. I never had a problem with it.


17 posted on 05/20/2014 5:58:13 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: bk1000

The PPK/s had a shorter barrel than its bigger brother, but was built on the same frame. IIRC, it was due to import restrictions.

Originally made in Belgium, S&W acquired the rights and began manufacturing them here in the US.


18 posted on 05/20/2014 6:11:58 AM PDT by Glennb51
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To: Perdogg
IIRC, he switched to the Walther PPK in the novel Dr. No, which was in the middle of his string of Bond novels. Prior to that, he used a Beretta .25 semi-auto, and (I think) .38 revolver as a backup.

With Dr. No as the first movie, it shows him making the change at the beginning.

Fleming even credited the fan who suggested the change to the PPK by naming him as the armorer in the Dr. No novel.

19 posted on 05/20/2014 6:40:49 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: dangerdoc
It would make an unsightly bulge in his tuxedo.

Didn't that happen anyways, every time he saw some hot chick?

20 posted on 05/20/2014 6:42:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

I carry a Beretta Jetfire .25 in a wallet holster. Unlike my .45, it is always there & it has never, ever jammed.

With a round in the tip-up barrel, that’s nine ready to go. Cock & fire.

BTW, is it true that in a pistol made in both .25 ACP & .22lr caliber, that the .25 is more reliable because it is rimless, vs. the .22? Real question.


21 posted on 05/20/2014 7:27:54 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Joe 6-pack
A paragraph and a half after writing, “Fleming’s handgun knowledge wasn’t great,” the author displays a picture of a Walther PP and captions it, “Walther PPK.”

How would a modern-day Brit know what a handgun looks like, especially some specific model?

22 posted on 05/20/2014 8:06:20 AM PDT by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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To: Lazamataz
Bond needed to stick with Glocks.

The Bond novels were written in the 1950-60s, 20 years before Glock's time.

23 posted on 05/20/2014 8:22:44 AM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: RansomOttawa
The Bond novels were written in the 1950-60s, 20 years before Glock's time.

Accuracy no longer matters in America. Bond ACTUALLY should get a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range, but I'll settle for him having a Glock.

24 posted on 05/20/2014 8:29:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz
Accuracy no longer matters in America. Bond ACTUALLY should get a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range, but I'll settle for him having a Glock.

True nuff. In that case, can it at least be the porcelain Glock 7 that doesn't show up on airport X-ray machines and costs more than you make in a month?

25 posted on 05/20/2014 8:46:41 AM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: IYAS9YAS

IIRC, the fan recommending the change was the aforementioned Geoffrey Boothroyd. His 1970 work “The Handgun”, a comprehensive history of the development of pistols & revolvers, remains a classic.


26 posted on 05/20/2014 11:35:28 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: elcid1970
IIRC, the fan recommending the change was the aforementioned Geoffrey Boothroyd.

Yes. That was it.

27 posted on 05/20/2014 11:40:41 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: Perdogg

Very interesting....


28 posted on 05/20/2014 1:31:37 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: Celtic Conservative
i have an Interarms PPK/S(S=States) that has the PPK slide/barrel but has the PP frame, best of both worlds

Taurus make world class guns, i had a Taurus made Beretta .22 knockoff, sold it for more than i paid for it

29 posted on 05/20/2014 2:45:20 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: AlexW
It is all fiction, but great fiction.

Flemming's Vesper Martini isn't fiction. I have one almost every night. NOMS!
30 posted on 05/20/2014 2:46:57 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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