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The Ten Most Bizarre Ideas For Using Nuclear Weapons
io9 ^ | 5-20-14 | Mark Strauss

Posted on 05/20/2014 11:29:20 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh

When you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. And if you have several thousand nuclear warheads just lying around, it seems a shame not to put them to good use. Here are ten of the most bizarre proposals for nuclear bomb use over the decades.

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I've heard of several of these ideas before. 3) Shoot the Moon, was something I saw suggested on a blog years ago. I thought it was a joke. Guess not.
1 posted on 05/20/2014 11:29:20 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Malone LaVeigh

I have a not-so-bizarre idea for how to use about six of them. See if you can guess what it is.


2 posted on 05/20/2014 11:30:19 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Didn’t the Soviets or Eat Germans use nukes for earth works, back in the day?


3 posted on 05/20/2014 11:30:48 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: Steely Tom

Is “reducing the worldwide Muslim threat” one of them?


4 posted on 05/20/2014 11:32:50 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: mbarker12474
We had a plan for using 50 or so 200kt nukes to create a larger, longer "new" Panama Canal through the lakes of Niceruagua IIRC. The studies concluded that there would be minimal radation effects because of the depths of the explosion and the impermiable sediment.

Basically, they were going bottom dredge using nukes.

5 posted on 05/20/2014 11:33:27 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!! (Keeper of the Sick Individuals pinglist))
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To: Malone LaVeigh

What about intercepting an asteroid and destroying it in space before it collides with the earth.


6 posted on 05/20/2014 11:33:47 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Is this a slideshow? If so, not worth the click.


7 posted on 05/20/2014 11:34:43 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Why not just use them first and THEN figure out the best way to exploit the holes? I’m thinking of a really massive glass skateboard park right around Mecca...


8 posted on 05/20/2014 11:35:50 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: mbarker12474

It was a the Soviets, to seal a well gone wild, if I recall correctly...

Anyway, that was the rumor...

The Eat Germans, never ate much of anything....lol


9 posted on 05/20/2014 11:36:13 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: DCBryan1
Niceruagua

Holy guacamole! Nicaragua

10 posted on 05/20/2014 11:38:02 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!! (Keeper of the Sick Individuals pinglist))
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To: Malone LaVeigh

One meant to explode over a southern city during an EMP drill.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread983927/pg1


11 posted on 05/20/2014 11:39:45 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: DCBryan1

You almost got stuned in Tiajunna with a beeber-like devise.


12 posted on 05/20/2014 11:40:10 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Interestingly, it was discovered you didn't need to completely destroy the asteroid to change its potential collision course with Earth. They could have used a relatively low yield (around 25-30 kT) nuclear bomb to "nudge" the trajectory to completely missing the Earth if the bomb was detonated on the asteroid when the object was still far away.
13 posted on 05/20/2014 11:40:45 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

11. Detonate several nuclear devices at various points around the globe in order to increase the amount of particulate matter in the stratosphere and thereby help reduce global warming.


14 posted on 05/20/2014 11:42:09 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

“What about intercepting an asteroid and destroying it in space before it collides with the earth.”

We no longer possess a rocket with sufficient umph to get out far enough. Also, the thing that makes them so useful for destroying things is the atmosphere. With only vacuum you’d actually have to dig a hole in the asteroid. Then, you’d need a big enough nuke to blow the debris really far away or it would all hit in roughly the same spot anyway. X billion tons of rock hitting in lots of places will be just as bad or worse than the same x billion tons hitting in one spot. (Also, I think Bruce Willis is too old to pull this off. As are all the other “action” stars. So, we have nobody to do it.)


15 posted on 05/20/2014 11:42:14 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Malone LaVeigh

“”Project Chariot” was the code name the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) gave to a 1958 plan to create an instant harbor on the coast of Alaska by detonating thermonuclear bombs.”

Yep, if there is one thing Alaska lacks is harbors on its 7,000 mile coastline.


16 posted on 05/20/2014 11:42:36 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
12) Activate Operation Smoking Turban.
17 posted on 05/20/2014 11:43:35 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: WayneS

That’s funny raht dere...


18 posted on 05/20/2014 11:43:58 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

11) Home self defense.


19 posted on 05/20/2014 11:43:59 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: mbarker12474
Here ya go.

All together, the Program 7 conducted 115 nuclear explosions. Among them:

39 explosions for the purpose of geological exploration (trying to find new natural gas deposits by studying seismic waves produced by small nuclear explosions)

25 explosions for intensification of oil and gas debits

22 explosions for creating underground storage for natural gas

5 explosions for extinguishing large natural gas fountains

4 explosions for creating channels and dams (including the Chagan test in Kazakhstan, and the Taiga test on the potential route of the Pechora-Kama Canal)

2 explosions for crushing ore in open-pit mines

2 explosions for creating underground storage for toxic wastes

1 explosion to facilitate coal mining in an underground mine 19 explosions were performed for research purposes (studying possible migration of the radioactivity from the place of the explosions).

These explosions were financed by various ministries: 51 explosions were financed by the Ministry for Geology, 26 explosions were financed by the Ministry for Natural Gas, 13 explosions were financed by the Ministry for Oil, 19 explosions were financed by the MinSredMash itself (the predecessor of the Federal Atomic Energy Agency). There were two large explosions of 140 kilotons and 105 kilotons; all others were relatively small with an average yield of 12.5 kilotons. For example, one 30 kiloton explosion was used to close the Uzbekistan Urtabulak gas well in 1966 that had been blowing since 1963, and a few months later a 47 kiloton explosive was used to seal a higher pressure blowout at the nearby Pamuk gas field, successful experiments later cited as possible precedents for stopping the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.[3][4][5][6]

The last nuclear explosion by the Program 7, codenamed Rubin-1 was performed in Arkhangelsk oblast on September 6, 1988. The explosion was a part of a seismic program for geological exploration. The Soviets agreed to stop their PNE program at the end of 1988 as a result of then president Mikhail Gorbachev's disarmament initiative.

There are proponents for continuing the PNE programs in modern Russia. They (e.g. A. Koldobsky) state that the program has already paid for itself and saved the USSR billions of rubles and can save even more if it would continue. They also allege that the PNE is the only feasible way to put out large fountains and fires on natural gas deposits, and it is the safest and most economically viable way to destroy chemical weapons.

20 posted on 05/20/2014 11:44:05 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I was wondering about that myself.


21 posted on 05/20/2014 11:44:15 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: MrB
Is “reducing the worldwide Muslim threat” one of them?

When I was in the S-2 Shop on a slow day, the BDE CO came in and we were engaged with geopolitical solutions when the COL asked me how I could solve "the muslim terrorist problem".

I replied that we use all of our nukes to eradicate the muslims, we would acheieve our goals all the while making the Lieberals very happy due to us 1) Getting rid of our nukes, 2) Solving global warming (due to nuclear winter), and 3) 1 Billion person population reduction as the UN wants.

He signed my promotion paperwork soon after and we all had a bunch of laughs.

22 posted on 05/20/2014 11:44:16 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!! (Keeper of the Sick Individuals pinglist))
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To: Gen.Blather

“We no longer possess a rocket with sufficient umph to get out far enough. “

Add more solar panels!


23 posted on 05/20/2014 11:44:52 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

(self-censored comment)


24 posted on 05/20/2014 11:45:13 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: WayneS
12) Activate Operation Smoking Turban.

ROTFLMAO! Love it! Follow up Operation Burnt Camel!?

25 posted on 05/20/2014 11:45:35 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!! (Keeper of the Sick Individuals pinglist))
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To: DCBryan1
Niceruagua ... Holy guacamole! Nicaragua

Sure, change it back after I figure out how to pronounce it...

Nee-say-roo-ah-goo-ah

26 posted on 05/20/2014 11:52:16 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Cold Heat

Cold Heat, you are the man!


27 posted on 05/20/2014 11:52:56 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: Billthedrill

Nuking Mecca would do a good thing for the world. I’m serious.


28 posted on 05/20/2014 11:55:30 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Gen.Blather

I’ve wondered about that explanation. If you compare one large asteroid vs. a million small ones it seems to me that the small ones would be preferable. As an example, throw a two inch cube of pine into a fireplace and it’ll bounce off the burning logs. Throw a similar weight of pine sawdust into a fireplace and a good bit of it will burn before hitting anything very hard. I think moving the asteroid would obviously be preferable but, failing that, turning it into a million pebbles, each with its own, slightly unique trajectory, might be a decent fallback


29 posted on 05/20/2014 11:56:12 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: mountainlion

This was done for real 200 miles over Johnston Island.
It effected power grids in Hawaii.
It would probably take out Hawaiian cell phones for sure if done today.


30 posted on 05/20/2014 11:59:07 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: Malone LaVeigh

The scary part that this is what our government thinks up (in their spare time, when they aren’t playing computer games).


31 posted on 05/20/2014 12:00:13 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Zathras

The sun can take out cell phones also.


32 posted on 05/20/2014 12:00:41 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: muir_redwoods

I won’t argue with you. But imagine we’re talking about a small moon. No matter how small the smaller pieces are, they’re still the size of mountains. But, you may be right about really small rocks, say, the size of aircraft carriers or Mt. Everest.

Fortunately, the universe is a mercifully big place. The planets seemed to have vacuumed up the bigger rocks long, long ago. But there will be the odd rogue along about every 65,000,000 years or so. Say, when was the last really big rock?


33 posted on 05/20/2014 12:01:00 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Cold Heat

It is funny how few of the USSR tests ever get talked about.
I was surprised the that the only LIVE ICBM test was an SS18 and a +1MT warhead.
We launched a live sub missile but the warhead and range was much less.


34 posted on 05/20/2014 12:04:32 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: Malone LaVeigh
One un-bizarre idea might be to use up just enough of them to level Washington D.C.
How would we know just how many to use? Simple, fire one a week until the only thing left is ...........................nothing.
35 posted on 05/20/2014 12:08:01 PM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: DCBryan1
We had a plan for using 50 or so 200kt nukes to create a larger, longer "new" Panama Canal through the lakes of Niceruagua IIRC. The studies concluded that there would be minimal radation effects because of the depths of the explosion and the impermiable sediment. Basically, they were going bottom dredge using nukes.

The Plowshares program...

I believe I recall the old Soviet Union actually experimenting with some nuclear civil engineering...that would have been an interesting degree.

Maybe somebody could renew the idea and use surplus H-bombs to dredge canals throughout the middle east so the desert could be irrigated and more trees could grow to capture carbon and thereby save the earth from global warming.

36 posted on 05/20/2014 12:08:32 PM PDT by eldoradude (How many democrats does it take to change a light bulb?)
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To: Steely Tom

“I have a not-so-bizarre idea for how to use about six of them. See if you can guess what it is.”

01. ) Washington, D.C.
02. ) San Francisco
03. ) Hollyweird
04. ) Chicago
05. ) New York City
06. ) New Orelans

How did I do? ;-)


37 posted on 05/20/2014 12:09:45 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (What we need is to sucker the fedthugs into a "Tiananmen Square"-like incident on the National Mall!)
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To: Cold Heat
It was a the Soviets, to seal a well gone wild, if I recall correctly...

It was a three year old natural gas leak in 1963. Here's RT in 2010 discussing whether the method could be used to stop the BP leak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ojCbqfRRr8

38 posted on 05/20/2014 12:17:20 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Zathras
I was surprised the that the only LIVE ICBM test was an SS18 and a +1MT warhead.
We launched a live sub missile but the warhead and range was much less.

In 1962, we conducted a rather famous live missile test, Starfish Prime. It was a 1.4mt W49 warhead carried to an altitude of 250 miles over the Pacific by a Thor missile.


As seen from Honolulu
841 miles from ground zero

What was interesting about the blast was its unexpectedly large electromagnetic pulse. According to the Wikipedia,

The EMP observed at the Apia Observatory at Samoa was four times more powerful than any created by solar storms, while in July 1962 the Starfish Prime test damaged electronics in Honolulu and New Zealand (approximately 1,300 kilometers away), fused 300 street lights on Oahu (Hawaii), set off about 100 burglar alarms, and caused the failure of a microwave repeating station on Kauai, which cut off the sturdy telephone system from the other Hawaiian islands.

Radiation belts it left behind in space also knocked out several early communications satellites.

Back in those days, electronic gear was mostly vacuum tubes and discrete semiconductors. These are more resistant to EMP than today's microelectronics.

39 posted on 05/20/2014 12:42:54 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Malone LaVeigh

I remember a Project Plowshares idea to use nuclear weapons to excavate a new sea level Panama canal.


40 posted on 05/20/2014 1:47:50 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Malone LaVeigh

The day the High Altitude Test Ban Treaty was signed, which was hastened along by the Soviets, was the day BEFORE Project Orion was to be launched!!!

It would have worked. It was to be launched out beyond the dark side of the Moon, before engaging the system. But, the Soviets have been doing lunar research, on the dark side of the Moon, so they pitched a fit.

This engine, was the first attempt at what would become “acceptable science fiction”, as ‘impulse power’.


41 posted on 05/20/2014 1:52:58 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
How did I do? ;-)

Since I have one son who commutes to work in Manhattan and another son and daughter-in-law who live and work in D.C., one third of that proposal doesn't thrill me too much.

42 posted on 05/20/2014 2:20:16 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: DCBryan1

We had the same plan to cut through the mountaind between CA and NV in the 50’s. The project was approved but left unfunded, as we entered a cold war frenzy.


43 posted on 05/20/2014 2:23:07 PM PDT by D Rider (Don't give sharp objects to small children)
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To: JimRed

“Since I have one son who commutes to work in Manhattan and another son and daughter-in-law who live and work in D.C., one third of that proposal doesn’t thrill me too much.”

Ah, well.....there is always collateral damage. It can’t be avoided. LOL


44 posted on 05/20/2014 3:34:24 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (What we need is to sucker the fedthugs into a "Tiananmen Square"-like incident on the National Mall!)
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To: Gen.Blather
What about intercepting an asteroid and destroying it in space before it collides with the earth.”

We no longer possess a rocket with sufficient umph to get out far enough.

Build one. Project_Orion

45 posted on 05/20/2014 6:40:05 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: Oztrich Boy

“Build one. Project_Orion “

Given our present regime and the new NASA it would need to be called Project Mohamed.


46 posted on 05/21/2014 2:57:12 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: cynwoody

I forgot about Starfish!
Very correct.


47 posted on 05/22/2014 9:20:52 PM PDT by Zathras
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