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More Hispanics Declaring Themselves White
New York Times ^ | May 21, 2014 | Nate Cohn

Posted on 05/21/2014 9:55:27 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Hispanics are often described as driving up the nonwhite share of the population. But a new study of census forms finds that more Hispanics are identifying as white.

An estimated net 1.2 million Americans of the 35 million Americans identified in 2000 as of “Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin,” as the census form puts it, changed their race from “some other race” to “white” between the 2000 and 2010 censuses, according to research presented at an annual meeting of the Population Association of America and reported by Pew Research.

The researchers, who have not yet published their findings, compared individual census forms from the 2000 and 2010 censuses. They found that millions of Americans answered the census questions about race and ethnicity differently in 2000 and 2010. The largest shifts were among Americans of Hispanic origin, who are the nation’s fastest growing ethnic group by total numbers. …

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Trying to revive the “white Hispanic” meme before the 2014 elections?
1 posted on 05/21/2014 9:55:27 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
According to the U.S. Supreme Court, I can be any gender or race that I choose, therefore I always identify myself as a black woman on all federal forms.

Come and get me, feral government goons!

2 posted on 05/21/2014 9:57:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Olog-hai

Maybe that’s some of the basis for white privilege. Declare yourself white but because of a Spanish surname be eligible for affirmative action (discrimination against whites). Talk about having it both ways.


3 posted on 05/21/2014 9:59:33 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: Olog-hai

Hispanic is not a race.


4 posted on 05/21/2014 10:00:21 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

Someone needs to tell La Raza.


5 posted on 05/21/2014 10:01:12 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Now that’s double dipping. Claiming white skin privilege and not giving up affirmative action status.


6 posted on 05/21/2014 10:02:44 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I always identify myself as a black woman on all federal forms.

Sounds like a good idea until, as for an application for employment, you show up for the first interview. I would wear my Aunt Jemima costume that, pre-PC, I wore on Halloween as a kid.

7 posted on 05/21/2014 10:03:00 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: jwalsh07
Hispanic is not a race.

Technically, neither is 'white' or 'black'.

8 posted on 05/21/2014 10:03:13 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: jwalsh07

“Hispanic is not a race.”

That is true, they are Caucasians.


9 posted on 05/21/2014 10:05:30 AM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: UCANSEE2
So what is a race? Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid?
10 posted on 05/21/2014 10:05:52 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: Olog-hai
Are they going to “check their privilege?”/s
11 posted on 05/21/2014 10:06:35 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: Olog-hai

Think I’ll refer to myself as a Black Russian from now on.


12 posted on 05/21/2014 10:07:46 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Olog-hai

This is controversial. Once, they were supposed to be part of the Mongoloid (Asian) race. I think there are some arguments that indigenous people constitute their own race or sub-raceS, depending on where they are. Latin America is huge, so there’s a lot of genetic diversity by location.

Spaniards are “White”. Many Hispanics claim to be descendants of the Canary Islanders. I’m not sure why.


13 posted on 05/21/2014 10:13:46 AM PDT by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

This is SO funny. I am white, and always check the button Hispanic. I like to upset the graphs. Sometimes I tell people I am Jewish. I never give accurate information.


14 posted on 05/21/2014 10:15:09 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I was born a poor black child.


15 posted on 05/21/2014 10:17:47 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: Olog-hai
Aggrieved is a race.
16 posted on 05/21/2014 10:18:12 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: CrazyIvan

“This is s—t, and this is Shinola.”


17 posted on 05/21/2014 10:18:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I want to be a long island tea.


18 posted on 05/21/2014 10:19:56 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Olog-hai

Other than skewing crime statistics and welfare demographics, there isn’t much reason for most Hispanics in this country to identify themselves as white, unless, of course, they are primarily of Spaniard descent. The whole “white Hispanic” “non white Hispanic” thing is fodder for race-baiters. We don’t see the same confusion amongst black Hispanics or Polynesian Hispanics.


19 posted on 05/21/2014 10:20:10 AM PDT by pallis
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To: luvbach1

“So what is a race?”

A social construct created by humans.


20 posted on 05/21/2014 10:21:51 AM PDT by Fuzz
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To: angry elephant

Aren’t a lot of Hispanics part indigenous or part African? You can be “Hispanic” from the Dominican Republic or Cuba and be very African-appearing.

On the other hand, there are a lot of Spanish speakers from places like Brazil and Argentina who do not have any Spanish or Portuguese ancestry. They are Italian or Polish or German or Middle Eastern or something. (Like Carlos Slim of Mexico, and Pope Francis). They could easily put “caucasian” or “white”, even if they were born and raised in Latin America.

In our local area, we have a growing number of upper-middle class Brazilians. I don’t picture them caring to identify as “Hispanic”. They don’t need anybody’s charity.


21 posted on 05/21/2014 10:22:10 AM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: luvbach1

Or *maybe* after 10 years, those who changed the designation have become more assimilated.


22 posted on 05/21/2014 10:22:25 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Olog-hai
I knew a guy from the Caucasus who moved to America. He said that in Russia, he was considered “Black,” but in America, he is considered “White.”
23 posted on 05/21/2014 10:22:33 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

I was always white in Texas and California and the South and border states, but when I moved to the pure white, uppper Midwest, the first question I would often hear was, which Indian tribe was I part of.


24 posted on 05/21/2014 10:25:34 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Your local beekeeper will confirm.... all-black bees are called “Caucasian”.
25 posted on 05/21/2014 10:27:20 AM PDT by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: Olog-hai

I would prefer “American”, but it’s not an option.


26 posted on 05/21/2014 10:27:45 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: CrazyIvan

27 posted on 05/21/2014 10:29:46 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: ansel12

I get that sometimes too due to my Italian background. I just play their game and invent some BS tribe and put in some “I sit all day smoking pot while my family counts the money from our casino” nonsense for extra...


28 posted on 05/21/2014 10:31:26 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Olog-hai
Most hispanics are white. A slightly darker shade of white, but white.

Maybe they should provide color charts to match up skin tone for government data.

29 posted on 05/21/2014 10:33:37 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Hillary may have brain damage, but what difference does it make?)
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To: Olog-hai

The government does that on many forms. Primary race: “Hispanic”, secondary race; “white”. I used to fill out forms for them.


30 posted on 05/21/2014 10:35:40 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Olog-hai

As usual, the NYT needs to buy a clue-”Hispanic” is not a race, it is just an ethnic group, and includes all three races-but most of us are Caucasian-so they can stop handing out race cards to people who were Americans when the southwest was new Spain...


31 posted on 05/21/2014 10:35:52 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: luvbach1
In the schools I saw some of the problem responsible hispanics faced. They would be put into ESL classes that were taught in English, but spent a lot of their time patronizing those who preferred to babble in hispanic.

The easiest way out was on a school transfer, and checking "Caucasian" at that point.

Not all hispanics want to be held back with special favors, and a lot don't like competing with invader labor. That's the impression I got.

32 posted on 05/21/2014 10:35:53 AM PDT by grania
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To: ansel12

A guy I know who is a white skinned Mexican-American was once asked by a German in Germany, “Do you have any feathers?” I assume he meant a headdress.


33 posted on 05/21/2014 10:36:11 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Hillary may have brain damage, but what difference does it make?)
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To: married21

It is true that many European-Spanish ancestry people who have been classed as Hispanic would want to identify as white. They are, after all, pretty much Caucasian.

But a lot of the illegal immigrants classed as Hispanic are indigenous people much like our American Indians.

It is logical that those who come from Cuba and Brazil would want to identify with their Spanish Caucasian or “white” identity to separate themselves from the indigenous Indians.


34 posted on 05/21/2014 10:36:30 AM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: luvbach1

Exactly—and that’s just their thinking too!


35 posted on 05/21/2014 10:36:49 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Texan5

“Hispanic” an ethnic group? I don’t think that all the Spanish speakers from Latin America are all of one ethnicity, nor do they share ethnicity with Spaniards from Spain.


36 posted on 05/21/2014 10:37:28 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Jeff Chandler

For me it seems that it is Cherokee or Choctaw on my mothers side.


37 posted on 05/21/2014 10:38:52 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Jeff Chandler

If “Latin” refers to the original Latins-Romans-then that includes people of Italian and French ancestry, as well as Spanish-and all have varying shades of olive skins, from pale to dark...


38 posted on 05/21/2014 10:40:59 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: angry elephant
“Hispanic is not a race.” That is true, they are Caucasians.

Typically, not. "Hispanic" can mean a pure European from Spain, a mostly black Portuguese-speaking Brazilian, a pure South American Indian speaking some native tongue, etc.

Generally, most of those identifying as "Hispanic" are mestizo : a mix of European and Native American.

39 posted on 05/21/2014 10:43:18 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Olog-hai

If we are to categorize Hispanics as a race, like Anglo-Saxons, then fine....Hispanics are white....Yes I know it’s hard to swallow for the folks who are of paler shades of white (and all “minorities”), but it’s true.

The indians, mulattos, and mestizos that we’ve all been brainwashed to believe are of the Hispanic Race—aren’t.

It’s really simple. Those who trace their ancestry to the Spanish Iberian Peninsula (or shall I say, the ancient Roman Province of....wait for it....”Hispania”) are Hispanic. Those who don’t, aren’t.

Penelope Cruz = Hispanic
David Ortiz = Not Hispanic


40 posted on 05/21/2014 10:47:21 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: Olog-hai

If you’re of Spanish decent, then yes that’s an “ethnic group” if you play that game.

You’re totally correct in saying that just because an entire group speaks the same language and shares the same culture, doesn’t mean they share the same ethnicity.

There are a lot of people descended from Spaniards living in Latin America. In the mid 1800’s, Mexico was over 70% “white”—we call them “creole”, meaning Spanish ancestry born in Mexico. But there are a lot of German, Italian, French, even Slavic ancestry of white people in Latin America.

Hell....Anthony Quinn was half-Irish, yet Mexican!


41 posted on 05/21/2014 11:00:02 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: Olog-hai

Common sense would seem to call an ethnic group those with most of their ancestors originally in a country where a certain language was spoken-in this case, Spain and the Spanish language-and they dispersed and interbred from there.

Most people think of Hispanic as being those of Spanish ancestry in the New World-the Spanish part is what makes it an ethnic group. If you want, you can split them into sub-groups by location-but why? The Spanish we speak here is a different dialect from what is spoken in Mexico City-but so is the dialect spoken in Michoacán or Brazil-but it is still Spanish-the language originally by that ethnic group in Spain.

All three races are involved-I am to all appearances Caucasian, like most Hispanics in the Americas-but in the Caribbean and some parts of central and south America, some Hispanics are Black, and in the Philipines, they are Asian-the Spaniards spread their genes far and wide outside of Europe.


42 posted on 05/21/2014 11:01:48 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: luvbach1

Here in the Austin area, about 90% of the “will work for food” street corner urchins are white. How is that ‘white privilege’ working out for them? Listening to the nutballs pushing this crap, one would think that they would be CEOs instead of beggars.


43 posted on 05/21/2014 11:02:37 AM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: Texan5
It's only common sense if one uses the liberal definition of "ethnicity". The Greek word εθνος (ethnos) refers to descent.
44 posted on 05/21/2014 11:08:21 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

My nephew married a woman from Peru. She calls herself a “Latina’. However, I am certain she would ID herself as white on a census - since she is every bit as white as other Americans who are descended from Europeans.


45 posted on 05/21/2014 11:13:21 AM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: PapaBear3625

“Mestizo”

Thank you for pointing that out-I defy anyone to find a racially pure person, Caucasian, Black or Asian when more and more evidence shoes that humans were exploring by boat pretty much to and from everywhere-America, Australia, etc several 10’s of 1000’s of years ago-if those three races were ever “pure” they certainly haven’t been in at least 15,000 years or so...

If I were designing those stupid, racist forms, I’d have exactly two boxes to check-”human” and “other”...


46 posted on 05/21/2014 11:14:06 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: angry elephant

Plenty of White Hispanics—they came from Spain after all—in Europe. Many are intermarring with other races—all this means is that our race obcessed modern society needs to grow up before this race focus leads to riots and violence. The knock out game —black hate of whites etc... all foolishness. Soon Americans will be forced to work together or there will be no America.


47 posted on 05/21/2014 11:14:28 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Olog-hai

There is no common sense in government-if there were it would be 1/10 the size that it is. My family came from Spain to the new world-I’m Caucasian in appearance, and by descent, mostly Hispanic/Spanish, but who knows what else after 400-500 years in the new world-only the last 250 are well documented-and not perfectly, at that. Anything earlier is just bits of paper and oral history-I’m guessing the history of any old family is similar, no matter race or descent-so why allow government or anyone else to use it to divide people?

My dad and husband were career military, I grew up color blind and I remain so.

Those forms are just used to fill racial quotas, and are in themselves racist and divisive-like I said below-make it two boxes-”Human” and “Other”...


48 posted on 05/21/2014 11:28:41 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5

Not “shoes”-”shows”-’scuse me...


49 posted on 05/21/2014 11:29:56 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
"Hispanic," as my Spanish S-i-L, complete with surname a la española discovered, is a weird government term.

He was selected for a supervisory post at his work, at which he is quite good. The promotion was rescinded because when a group from his HR department saw that he indeed is a "white man," they felt it would hurt their EEOC numbers! Can't have no white man here!

For EEOC purposes I have come to find out that "Hispanic" usually means some one whose skin tone at least approximates the color of a brown paper shopping bag. But wait, there are more EEOC guidelines, among them:

A Puerto Rican, or a Mexican is always an Hispanic, whether white, black, or an Amerindian. A Cuban might, or might not be an Hispanic, unless suitably complected. A Spaniard? An Argentine? A Chilean? An Uruguayan? Probably NOT Hispanic. Bolivian, Peruvian? Hispanic.

IOW, joo look like a gringo, we is gonna treat joo like a gringo!

50 posted on 05/21/2014 11:39:11 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Vote for a gay African Marxist for POTUS? Sure. What could go wrong?)
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